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[Zoikster]

Haexpane wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

 
They didn't pretend to be shocked, they acknowledged it as a fault. Please stop with the silly conspiracies.

Conspiracy theory OR there is no "conspiracy" about commenting on a Devs/Prods interviews where they openly expressed surprise by many of the reactions.

A "conspiracy" would be if I said GW Bush had some secret dealings with BW.  Saying BW re-used environments as an idea copied from WoW is not any sort of secret revelation, it's like saying Pepsi followed Coke's model.  

But yes, anyone who finds any fault whatsoever with DA2 is a tin foil hat wearing crazy

Yeah, I'm not sure why they were caught off guard by the game's reception.

[Ariella]

Haexpane wrote...

Ariella wrote...
 

I don't blame them for wanting to change the formula and do something new and more personal.

 

"more personal"... Fanboi marketing bullet point regurge alert!  We need a doctor over here, someone has ingested too much Kool Aid!  STAT!

As far as defending the devs and stating they are "not trying to trick players out of money"  $5.99 Weapon pack with weapons that are USELESS in the end game and gear you can not even put on companions SAYS HI!

"DA2 Signature Edition, avail ONLY FOR PRE ORDER LIMITED TIME".. that is on sale for $30 on amazon 7 months later and my thread about it getting locked and no PM response says HI.

Again get off your horse, Haexapaine. I'm talking about the main game, and the sig edition is selling for 36.99 Xbox which Amazon says saves 3 bucks off the normal price, though I'm seeing it new on Amazon for over one hundred dollars as well. In fact most of Amazon's associates are selling a new version of the sig edition for between 53.03 and 259.98. It's not surprising Amazon would order extra so they could resell the game later. It's part of what they do. And, may I point out the Sig Edition didn't cost any more than a regular edition would cost. It was just if someone chose to pre order, which was a nice little bonus, not huge, but nice.

The story of DA2 itself is more personal, but YMMV.

As for the weapon's pack, nice stuff, I used the weapons to the very end, the trinkets that came with each were very nice for my companions, and the armor was okay. But it was an option, didn't HAVE to buy it.

[Zoikster]

Ariella wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Ariella wrote...
 

I don't blame them for wanting to change the formula and do something new and more personal.

 

"more personal"... Fanboi marketing bullet point regurge alert!  We need a doctor over here, someone has ingested too much Kool Aid!  STAT!

As far as defending the devs and stating they are "not trying to trick players out of money"  $5.99 Weapon pack with weapons that are USELESS in the end game and gear you can not even put on companions SAYS HI!

"DA2 Signature Edition, avail ONLY FOR PRE ORDER LIMITED TIME".. that is on sale for $30 on amazon 7 months later and my thread about it getting locked and no PM response says HI.

Again get off your horse, Haexapaine. I'm talking about the main game, and the sig edition is selling for 36.99 Xbox which Amazon says saves 3 bucks off the normal price, though I'm seeing it new on Amazon for over one hundred dollars as well. In fact most of Amazon's associates are selling a new version of the sig edition for between 53.03 and 259.98. It's not surprising Amazon would order extra so they could resell the game later. It's part of what they do. And, may I point out the Sig Edition didn't cost any more than a regular edition would cost. It was just if someone chose to pre order, which was a nice little bonus, not huge, but nice.

The story of DA2 itself is more personal, but YMMV.

As for the weapon's pack, nice stuff, I used the weapons to the very end, the trinkets that came with each were very nice for my companions, and the armor was okay. But it was an option, didn't HAVE to buy it.

Even if I am disappointed by lack of depth in choice of the story, I actually think it had/has a bit of potential. All I can hope is they take the feedback and make a better DA: 3 in the future. To to the very least i've learned my lesson about just picking up a game without knowing what I'm getting into. I will wait several months for every game release in the future no matter who makes it. (Except SWTOR, I got the collectors edition ) *Crosses fingers*

[Ariella]

Zoikster wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

 
They didn't pretend to be shocked, they acknowledged it as a fault. Please stop with the silly conspiracies.

Conspiracy theory OR there is no "conspiracy" about commenting on a Devs/Prods interviews where they openly expressed surprise by many of the reactions.

A "conspiracy" would be if I said GW Bush had some secret dealings with BW.  Saying BW re-used environments as an idea copied from WoW is not any sort of secret revelation, it's like saying Pepsi followed Coke's model.  

But yes, anyone who finds any fault whatsoever with DA2 is a tin foil hat wearing crazy

Yeah, I'm not sure why they were caught off guard by the game's reception.

What really caught them off guard was the fact that certain elements picked apart every interview looking for an angle where they could cry foul or they were duped.

What surprised me was the actions by certain fans who even being informed, showed videos and demos about what the game was expected it to be DAO all over again.

[Zoikster]

Ariella wrote...

Zoikster wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

 
They didn't pretend to be shocked, they acknowledged it as a fault. Please stop with the silly conspiracies.

Conspiracy theory OR there is no "conspiracy" about commenting on a Devs/Prods interviews where they openly expressed surprise by many of the reactions.

A "conspiracy" would be if I said GW Bush had some secret dealings with BW.  Saying BW re-used environments as an idea copied from WoW is not any sort of secret revelation, it's like saying Pepsi followed Coke's model.  

But yes, anyone who finds any fault whatsoever with DA2 is a tin foil hat wearing crazy

Yeah, I'm not sure why they were caught off guard by the game's reception.

What really caught them off guard was the fact that certain elements picked apart every interview looking for an angle where they could cry foul or they were duped.

What surprised me was the actions by certain fans who even being informed, showed videos and demos about what the game was expected it to be DAO all over again.

And on that friendly note, I'm going to make dinner. Making a French onion steak with a red wine sauce. You're all invited

[Zanallen]

And to reiterate what has been said before, DA2 was not a quick and easy cash grab. That makes no damn sense. The quick and easy method would have been to change nothing from Origins. Make Dragon Age: Origins 2. All the data is already there. Don't change the engine. Leave the art design as is. Keep the combat mechanics. Reuse the sound track. Keep the warden and most of the old companions so you don't have to make new character models. Keep the game set in Ferelden to reuse assets. Then all you would really need is a plot. Simple enough. The Dark Ritual causes two archdemons to awaken. Bam! Super Blight.

And the sad thing is, the "fans" would probably eat up that crap by the ladle full.

[Haexpane]

Ariella wrote...

 
Again get off your horse, Haexapaine. I'm talking about the main game, and the sig edition is selling for 36.99 Xbox which Amazon says saves 3 bucks off the normal price, though I'm seeing it new on Amazon for over one hundred dollars as well. In fact most of Amazon's associates are selling a new version of the sig edition for between 53.03 and 259.98. It's not surprising Amazon would order extra so they could resell the game later. It's part of what they do. And, may I point out the Sig Edition didn't cost any more than a regular edition would cost. It was just if someone chose to pre order, which was a nice little bonus, not huge, but nice.

The story of DA2 itself is more personal, but YMMV.

As for the weapon's pack, nice stuff, I used the weapons to the very end, the trinkets that came with each were very nice for my companions, and the armor was okay. But it was an option, didn't HAVE to buy it.

What is this high horse business you keep accusing people of? 

Sig Ed was $59. at launch and sold and advertised as PRE ORDER ONLY!  WILL NOT BE AVAIL AFTER PRE ORDER.  When AMazon sold it for $35-39 6 months later, Bioware said "so what, they can do that"

False advertising.  The entire selling point of Sig Ed was LIMITED TIME , PRE ORDER ONLY.  Which was patently false.  Of course saying this means i might get banned now.   Whatever, I speak the truth.  They turned a blind eye to the blatant fact that the Sig Ed was sold and advertised as a limited edition only.  That's why I and many others bought it, because it was ONLY AVAIL for pre-order. 

Which turned out to be a lie and salt in the wound.  Bioware got my money, see the registered games on the side?  They got me.  Congrats Bioware, you got my $60, another $5 etc... I bought all the DAO DLC except for Witch, etc...

If I was less than thrilled with the end product of DA2, that's just how it goes sometimes.  No worries.

But you also sold me a Sig Ed under a false premise.  I take that personally.  The Bioware line is "Amazon has a right to sell unsold stock".   Fine, let amazon sell whatever they want (I'm talking amazon, not "marketplace sellers")

But what about the premise that the only way to get Sig Ed was to pre-order and the entirety of my purchase at that time was under that pretense?  Was that not a lie?  Was that not false?

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Modifié par Haexpane, 15 août 2011 - 09:44 .

[Atakuma]

Haexpane wrote...

Conspiracy theory OR there is no "conspiracy" about commenting on a Devs/Prods interviews where they openly expressed surprise by many of the reactions.

Please provide links to where you've read this from a dev. I could care less what the producers say because they are little more than hype men.

But yes, anyone who finds any fault whatsoever with DA2 is a tin foil hat wearing crazy

Nice strawman, I thought the game was mediocre.

Modifié par Atakuma, 15 août 2011 - 09:47 .

[Haexpane]

And now I see how I was indeed duped. The "Pre Order" is only avail before Jan 11. That is their legal back pocket excuse. They can easily say "well the pre order was taken down after Jan 11" just because you can buy it NEW/SEALED now for less, you can't "Pre Order" it now.

Well played Bioware, well played. You bamboozled a long time fan. Congrats?

[Aradace]

Zanallen wrote...

And to reiterate what has been said before, DA2 was not a quick and easy cash grab. That makes no damn sense. The quick and easy method would have been to change nothing from Origins. Make Dragon Age: Origins 2. All the data is already there. Don't change the engine. Leave the art design as is. Keep the combat mechanics. Reuse the sound track. Keep the warden and most of the old companions so you don't have to make new character models. Keep the game set in Ferelden to reuse assets. Then all you would really need is a plot. Simple enough. The Dark Ritual causes two archdemons to awaken. Bam! Super Blight.

And the sad thing is, the "fans" would probably eat up that crap by the ladle full.

Not only that, they'd claim it was the greatest game of the decade because of it.

[addiction21]

Haexpane wrote...

"more personal"... Fanboi marketing bullet point regurge alert!  We need a doctor over here, someone has ingested too much Kool Aid!  STAT!

Was that really needed?

Haexpane wrote...

As far as defending the devs and stating they are "not trying to trick players out of money"  $5.99 Weapon pack with weapons that are USELESS in the end game and gear you can not even put on companions SAYS HI!

How are people "being tricked"? Please explain this to me. Look its a weapon pack... your going to get weapons. Thats all. Theres nothing saying they will be useable for the entire game and that companions get to use them.

Haexpane wrote...

"DA2 Signature Edition, avail ONLY FOR PRE ORDER LIMITED TIME".. that is on sale for $30 on amazon 7 months later and my thread about it getting locked and no PM response says HI.

You do understand what Amazon is right?

You know what else wants to say HI?
Dead Space 2 CE for $40 http://www.amazon.co...3444638&sr=1-32
Fallout New Vegas CE http://www.amazon.co...13444599&sr=1-6

And a whole lot of other CE games are on there selling for less and long after the devlopers/publishers cut off dates. Sinces thats how the whole "collector edition" of games work. Only a limited number ever get put out... and very few ever end up being worth more down the line. Like WoW.

[Haexpane]

addiction21 wrote...
 

How are people "being tricked"? Please explain this to me. Look its a weapon pack... your going to get weapons. Thats all. Theres nothing saying they will be useable for the entire game and that companions get to use them.

 

You do understand what Amazon is right?
 

And a whole lot of other CE games are on there selling for less and long after the devlopers/publishers cut off dates. Sinces thats how the whole "collector edition" of games work. Only a limited number ever get put out... and very few ever end up being worth more down the line. Like WoW.

Yes, I was foolish to assume when I bought the weapon pack that they'd  be useful.  My mistake, I bought DLC for a game and assumed it would be DLC that would enhance my gameplay.  I was wrong, you are right. The sold me "weapons" but I was DEAD WRONG to assume those weapons would be fun/useful at level 20.  

Do I understand what  amazon is?  How was that comment necessary? You're going to pick apart my comments and then get snide on the backside?  Pfft.

Please refer to this as to how the Sig Ed was a bait and switch
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This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available for pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now.
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black and white guy

[addiction21]

Haexpane wrote...

And now I see how I was indeed duped. The "Pre Order" is only avail before Jan 11. That is their legal back pocket excuse. They can easily say "well the pre order was taken down after Jan 11" just because you can buy it NEW/SEALED now for less, you can't "Pre Order" it now.

Well played Bioware, well played. You bamboozled a long time fan. Congrats?

Your pointing the finger at the wrong people...

[Zanallen]

Haexpane wrote...

This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available for pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now.
----------------

black and white guy

Yes and Bioware is no longer making it or selling it. So how is it Bioware's fault if someone, even a business, has an extra copy that wasn't sold and now decides to sell it?

[Aradace]

@Haex - What level are you finishing the game? Because I finish the game at no less than 28 and I can tell you that my Mage using Malcolm's Honor is FAR superior to Final Thought. The only thing that makes it even come close to Malcolm's Honor are rune slots. Which IMO are trivial given the fact that the weapon LEVELS WITH YOU.

[Haexpane]

Zanallen wrote...
 

Yes and Bioware is no longer making it or selling it. So how is it Bioware's fault if someone, even a business, has an extra copy that wasn't sold and now decides to sell it?

Because Bioware wrote this
"""This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available for pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now.""""

[Ariella]

Zoikster wrote...

Even if I am disappointed by lack of depth in choice of the story, I actually think it had/has a bit of potential. All I can hope is they take the feedback and make a better DA: 3 in the future. To to the very least i've learned my lesson about just picking up a game without knowing what I'm getting into. I will wait several months for every game release in the future no matter who makes it. (Except SWTOR, I got the collectors edition ) *Crosses fingers*

Thing is, for months prior to release Bioware told us and showed us as much as they could, what this game was, and that it was going to be different.

Some of the reuse made sense in the context of the fact the character is going to be in the same area over time (I would have liked to see more varience in set decoration as years went by but that's another thread)

I also believe that some of the problems with reuse could have been mitigated if they had A) cut the corner map showing only the accessable areas changed lighting and set design for some of the maps. But the game did push even my tolerences for reused resources to the limit. I happily admit that. However, that being said, I knew what the game was as a followed it during production, and honestly wasn't surprised by anything design wise.

Though there are some people who would doom and gloom it, tearing their hair out, beating their chests and smearing their faces with ash, I honestly believe Bioware learns from its mistakes. I have precident to back that up: Neverwinter Nights. The first game's OC makes DA2 look like a hard core RPG gamer's dream come true.  The story was repetative (fetch four things in every act/chapter), one "henchman" who you couldn't change ANYTHING for, be it armor, weapons etc. You couldn't even decide how they leveled up. The conversations weren't great and you could only have one at a time so no interparty banter etc.

They learned from the inital raction to NWN. SoU had much better story and character companions, and while still only just one at that point, the companions were funny and fun to have (Ariella misses Deekin), then HotU topped it off, not to mention during that time we got KoTOR (engine derived from the NWN Aurora) and Jade Empire.

Bioware's got a pretty good learning curve, and even if they swing and miss with fans every once and a while, they learn from the experience. That's the reason why I find these posts over analysising every interview and article that comes out obnoxious, and the whole idea that Bioware doesn't give a darn about the fans insane.

Yes, the developers do this for a paycheck, but every one of them I've had interactions with (and yes, this includes Mike Laidlaw) is that they love RPGs, they love being story tellers, and they love doing everything they can to make their games better. Fans aren't always going to agree with them on the last, but these are people who believe in the RPG genre and want to share it with others. While that does tie in nicely to captialism, the "for the love of the game" attitude is there and real.

My advice is rather than assume that (fill in the blank) game designer is looking to milk their franchise for every last red cent, and that the developers are leaving implied messages in interviews that the fans are stupid, just take a deep breath and try to look at it from the side of a developer.

[dheer]

This whole thread should be nuked from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Haexpane]

Aradace wrote...

@Haex - What level are you finishing the game? Because I finish the game at no less than 28 and I can tell you that my Mage using Malcolm's Honor is FAR superior to Final Thought. The only thing that makes it even come close to Malcolm's Honor are rune slots. Which IMO are trivial given the fact that the weapon LEVELS WITH YOU.

Well I certainly do not understand exactly how the weapon scaling for DLC works, all I can say is from my experience, I bought the DLC at level 20 and most of the weapons and gear in the pack were lower level.  I also run a 2H warrior so most of the weapons and items, I can not equip.

If the weapon needs to be equiped in order for it to level with me, well I missed it.  Again, my mistake.  As was my mistake when I bought the "Pre Oder Only" Sig Ed.

These are my mistakes and I am owning up to them.  I wont make the mistake of pre-ordering EA games again, nor will I make the mistake of buying EA DLC again.  I am sorry for so many mistakes that I have made.  

[Zanallen]

Haexpane wrote...

Because Bioware wrote this
"""This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available for pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now.""""

Yes, and on January 11th they stopped having it available for pre-order. So what is the problem here? Bioware can't stop someone from selling their extra copies. If I bought two versions of the SE and then decided to sell one now, Bioware couldn't do a damn thing to stop me. If Gamestop has copies of the SE that someone cancelled their pre-order on or never picked up, they are fully in their rights to sell them. Same with Amazon, same with anyone else.

[Aradace]

dheer wrote...

This whole thread should be nuked from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Who's staying behind to make sure it goes off?  Not me, Im sure as hell not earning my medal of honor lol.

@Zan - not to mention the careful wording they used.  Only available for PRE-ORDER until Jan 11th.  A little common sense would have told her that Amazon would be selling the extra copies at a later date.

Modifié par Aradace, 15 août 2011 - 10:06 .

[Haexpane]

Zanallen wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Because Bioware wrote this
"""This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available for pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now.""""

Yes, and on January 11th they stopped having it available for pre-order. So what is the problem here?

The problem, is only on my end.  Bioware has their money, they see no problem.  I bought the Sig Ed under the *premise* (clearly laid out in black and white)  that it would never again be available and I was getting exclusive content.  My mistake.  I won't make it again.  

Modifié par Haexpane, 15 août 2011 - 10:06 .

[nitefyre410]

Zanallen wrote...

And to reiterate what has been said before, DA2 was not a quick and easy cash grab. That makes no damn sense. The quick and easy method would have been to change nothing from Origins. Make Dragon Age: Origins 2. All the data is already there. Don't change the engine. Leave the art design as is. Keep the combat mechanics. Reuse the sound track. Keep the warden and most of the old companions so you don't have to make new character models. Keep the game set in Ferelden to reuse assets. Then all you would really need is a plot. Simple enough. The Dark Ritual causes two archdemons to awaken. Bam! Super Blight.

And the sad thing is, the "fans" would probably eat up that crap by the ladle full.

 

Some how ressurect  Loghain and Howe  as well - Game of the Year right here folks  <_<

[Aradace]

Haexpane wrote...

Aradace wrote...

@Haex - What level are you finishing the game? Because I finish the game at no less than 28 and I can tell you that my Mage using Malcolm's Honor is FAR superior to Final Thought. The only thing that makes it even come close to Malcolm's Honor are rune slots. Which IMO are trivial given the fact that the weapon LEVELS WITH YOU.

Well I certainly do not understand exactly how the weapon scaling for DLC works, all I can say is from my experience, I bought the DLC at level 20 and most of the weapons and gear in the pack were lower level.  I also run a 2H warrior so most of the weapons and items, I can not equip.

If the weapon needs to be equiped in order for it to level with me, well I missed it.  Again, my mistake.  As was my mistake when I bought the "Pre Oder Only" Sig Ed.

These are my mistakes and I am owning up to them.  I wont make the mistake of pre-ordering EA games again, nor will I make the mistake of buying EA DLC again.  I am sorry for so many mistakes that I have made.  

Malcolm's Honor around end game was either exactly 50 or 50+dmg (dont remember Id have to load my mage up and find out.) +3 to all Atributes and also some crit chance as well if memory serves.  Final thought: +4 magic (only) and 48 Nature dmg.  Empress's point (The 2hander weapon) is 41 physical damage.  (But doesnt scale seeing as how the 2handers are the only ones that dont scale with you.)  Celebrant is the only other weapon that comes close to competing with Empress's Point. (For 2handers.)

[Zanallen]

Haexpane wrote...

The problem, is only on my end.  Bioware has their money, they see no problem.  I bought the Sig Ed under the *premise* (clearly laid out in black and white)  that it would never again be available and I was getting exclusive content.  My mistake.  I won't make it again.  

And you paid the same price as anyone else who bought the game when it came out. You weren't shafted. In fact, you paid less than people who bought the regular edition when it came out and then had to buy Exiled Prince.