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[Gunderic]

Zanallen wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

No, they're actually making the game harder and more rewarding by releasing a new difficulty setting called 'Dark Mode' ( which also adds new rewards and more replayability to the game ).

Are you saying that console gamers don't like harder difficulties? It seems to me that, with the console release on the rise, making a bunch of technical and gameplay changes while also adding a new tutorial is to make the game more console friendly. And, honestly, the arena mode seems a lot like systems in place in several console games, RPGs or otherwise.

If by 'on the rise', you mean next year... then sure.

Don't know why they'd need a better tutorial if they can handle harder difficulty settings.

[Gunderic]

Mr.House wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

This is just another PR stunt from CDPR. There is nothing wrong with TW2 to require an overhaul of any kind.

The only thing CDPR needs to fix in TW2 is the horrbile voice acting, inventory system and unresponsive controlls.

What's wrong with the inventory system? I'm fairly certain CDProjekt has tweaked the controls a bit ( targeting was pretty bad at launch ) too.

Don't really have a problem with the voice acting.

[Dubya75]

Zanallen wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

No, they're actually making the game harder and more rewarding by releasing a new difficulty setting called 'Dark Mode' ( which also adds new rewards and more replayability to the game ).

Are you saying that console gamers don't like harder difficulties? It seems to me that, with the console release on the rise, making a bunch of technical and gameplay changes while also adding a new tutorial is to make the game more console friendly. And, honestly, the arena mode seems a lot like systems in place in several console games, RPGs or otherwise.

You seem set on starting a console war Zanallen. DON'T DO IT!

[Dubya75]

Guys, let's please stay on topic. I think this is a valuable discussion and I would hate to see it shut down.

[Zanallen]

Dubya75 wrote...

You seem set on starting a console war Zanallen. DON'T DO IT!

What? Nah, console wars are stupid. I'm just saying that they want to make the game handle better on a console. They are releasing a console version, so it seems to be the way to go. Why else would they be making so many changes? Going by the Witcher 2 thread on these very forums, there doesn't seem enough issues with the game to warrant that many changes.

[Uzzy]

Zanallen wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

You seem set on starting a console war Zanallen. DON'T DO IT!

What? Nah, console wars are stupid. I'm just saying that they want to make the game handle better on a console. They are releasing a console version, so it seems to be the way to go. Why else would they be making so many changes? Going by the Witcher 2 thread on these very forums, there doesn't seem enough issues with the game to warrant that many changes.

Regardless of the motivation, it seems that after releasing a great game, CDP are eager to make it even better through free patches and overhauls. A proper tutorial is required, frankly.

Anyway, Bioware could learn a bit from this. They won't do anything close to what CDP are doing, given their new 'Willingly owned by EA' status, but it'd be nice!

[Zanallen]

Uzzy wrote...

Regardless of the motivation, it seems that after releasing a great game, CDP are eager to make it even better through free patches and overhauls. A proper tutorial is required, frankly.

Anyway, Bioware could learn a bit from this. They won't do anything close to what CDP are doing, given their new 'Willingly owned by EA' status, but it'd be nice!

The problem being, as I pointed out in my first response in this thread, is that Bioware couldn't do it if they wanted to. Because DA2 is cross platform, there are overhead costs from distribution that would make this impossible. They would not just be not making any money on it, they would have to actually pay money for it.

[Dubya75]

Zanallen wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Regardless of the motivation, it seems that after releasing a great game, CDP are eager to make it even better through free patches and overhauls. A proper tutorial is required, frankly.

Anyway, Bioware could learn a bit from this. They won't do anything close to what CDP are doing, given their new 'Willingly owned by EA' status, but it'd be nice!

The problem being, as I pointed out in my first response in this thread, is that Bioware couldn't do it if they wanted to. Because DA2 is cross platform, there are overhead costs from distribution that would make this impossible. They would not just be not making any money on it, they would have to actually pay money for it.

I still don't get this argument. They could release it as a "patch" or a series of patches. Or they could even charge for it, I'm sure enough people will pay for it to at least cover their overheads.

[Zanallen]

Dubya75 wrote...

I still don't get this argument. They could release it as a "patch" or a series of patches. Or they could even charge for it, I'm sure enough people will pay for it to at least cover their overheads.

They still have to pay Sony and Microsoft to release content using their systems. It would have to be a series of patches, since a single patch would be too large, which would cost more. Plus, there is the simple issue of space. How much space would this patch take up on the console's hard drive? And charging for it would earn them no good will. it would just villify them more in the eyes of the "fans".

[Dubya75]

Zanallen wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I still don't get this argument. They could release it as a "patch" or a series of patches. Or they could even charge for it, I'm sure enough people will pay for it to at least cover their overheads.

They still have to pay Sony and Microsoft to release content using their systems. It would have to be a series of patches, since a single patch would be too large, which would cost more. Plus, there is the simple issue of space. How much space would this patch take up on the console's hard drive? And charging for it would earn them no good will. it would just villify them more in the eyes of the "fans".

Wow, are they (BioWare) paying you for this?!

BioWare: here is your patch to fix your game, but you have to download it and it's big!
Fan: WHAT? I have to download something that is going to take up space on my console and fix my game? NEVER!
...somehow I just don't see this happening.
You keep making excuses for BioWare. What you may have forgotten along the way is that THIS IS WHAT THEY DO! THEY MAKE  GAMES AND DISTRIBUTE THEM!Yes, everything costs money. If this is your argument for them not doing it, then I'm really glad you're not running the company because they'll go bust real quick!

[Zanallen]

Dubya75 wrote...

Wow, are they (BioWare) paying you for this?!

BioWare: here is your patch to fix your game, but you have to download it and it's big!
Fan: WHAT? I have to download something that is going to take up space on my console and fix my game? NEVER!
...somehow I just don't see this happening.
You keep making excuses for BioWare. What you may have forgotten along the way is that THIS IS WHAT THEY DO! THEY MAKE  GAMES AND DISTRIBUTE THEM!Yes, everything costs money. If this is your argument for them not doing it, then I'm really glad you're not running the company because they'll go bust real quick!

I am being realistic. No one is going to pat Bioware on the back for charging them to fix the game. A patch, even for just some new areas to cut down on the reuse, would be quite large. Distributing it to consoles would be expensive. Bioware is in the business of making money. They are not going to do something that, not only won't make them money, but will actually cost them quite a bit of money.

[Uzzy]

Zanallen wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Regardless of the motivation, it seems that after releasing a great game, CDP are eager to make it even better through free patches and overhauls. A proper tutorial is required, frankly.

Anyway, Bioware could learn a bit from this. They won't do anything close to what CDP are doing, given their new 'Willingly owned by EA' status, but it'd be nice!

The problem being, as I pointed out in my first response in this thread, is that Bioware couldn't do it if they wanted to. Because DA2 is cross platform, there are overhead costs from distribution that would make this impossible. They would not just be not making any money on it, they would have to actually pay money for it.

Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.

[Zanallen]

Uzzy wrote...

Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.

Publicly traded companies rarely toss out large sums of money without the expectation of some form of compensation. The logistics just aren't there to support large scale alterations to a console game.

[Uzzy]

Zanallen wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.

Publicly traded companies rarely toss out large sums of money without the expectation of some form of compensation. The logistics just aren't there to support large scale alterations to a console game.

Sure there are. It's entirely doable, it's just that they choose not to, possibly for good reasons.

Of course, the compensation comes from good will and word of mouth, by customers and players talking about a company that keeps up the support for a game sometime after the game has been released, issuing whole new overhauls for said game. CDP are the darlings of the RPG community for this. The less said about EA/Bioware's reputation the better.

Still, sales are a better metric, so when The Witcher 2 comes to consoles, I'll make sure to buy it.

[Zanallen]

Uzzy wrote...

Sure there are. It's entirely doable, it's just that they choose not to, possibly for good reasons.

Of course, the compensation comes from good will and word of mouth, by customers and players talking about a company that keeps up the support for a game sometime after the game has been released, issuing whole new overhauls for said game. CDP are the darlings of the RPG community for this. The less said about EA/Bioware's reputation the better.

Still, sales are a better metric, so when The Witcher 2 comes to consoles, I'll make sure to buy it.

Yes, let us wait and see how CDProject handles console distribution of content.

[Persephone]

Uzzy wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.

Publicly traded companies rarely toss out large sums of money without the expectation of some form of compensation. The logistics just aren't there to support large scale alterations to a console game.

CDP are the darlings of the RPG community for this. The less said about EA/Bioware's reputation the better.

If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position, I would like them a whole lot more. Let's talk again in.....say a decade and see what precious CDPR will be like by then. You know, when the comparison is actually fair?

[Zjarcal]

Persephone wrote...

Let's talk again in.....say a decade and see what precious CDPR will be like by then. You know, when the comparison is actually fair?

You mean when CDPR has been bought by EA or another big publisher? 

[billy the squid]

Persephone wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.

Publicly traded companies rarely toss out large sums of money without the expectation of some form of compensation. The logistics just aren't there to support large scale alterations to a console game.

CDP are the darlings of the RPG community for this. The less said about EA/Bioware's reputation the better.

If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position, I would like them a whole lot more. Let's talk again in.....say a decade and see what precious CDPR will be like by then. You know, when the comparison is actually fair?

As opposed to Bioware's jabs at JRPGs, marketing tricks and manipulations.

CDPR's has garnered a lot of good will through large patches, DRM removal, free DLC etc. It is a plan to gain brand equity, of that there is no doubt. Bioware and EA have tried to exactly the same, as have many other companies, although it hasn't been entirely succesful. Although, it will be interesting to see if CDPR can contend with competitors and retain the current perception. 

[Yrkoon]

Persephone wrote...
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position,

I'll say it again.   if massive FREE DLC  to an already good game  = Manipulation, then  Please CDPR:  keep Manipulating me!

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 août 2011 - 03:02 .

[csfteeeer]

Persephone wrote...
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position, I would like them a whole lot more. Let's talk again in.....say a decade and see what precious CDPR will be like by then. You know, when the comparison is actually fair?

I'm Sorry, What Jabs are you talking about?
And BTW, i don't consider giving tons of extra Content for FREE as manipulation, and if is, then it's a good one.

[Dubya75]

Yrkoon wrote...

Persephone wrote...
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position,

I'll say it again.   if massive FREE DLC  to an already good game  = Manipulation, then  Please CDPR:  keep Manipulating me!

Absolutely! They can even slap me and call me a b*tch!

[nitefyre410]

billy the squid wrote...

*snip*

As opposed to Bioware's jabs at JRPGs, marketing tricks and manipulations.

CDPR's has garnered a lot of good will through large patches, DRM removal, free DLC etc. It is a plan to gain brand equity, of that there is no doubt. Bioware and EA have tried to exactly the same, as have many other companies, although it hasn't been entirely succesful. Although, it will be interesting to see if CDPR can contend with competitors and retain the current perception. 

 

Unfortunely all that is going to by the wayside once they hit the console space and have to deal with Micosoft in pushing out DLC over XBL .  

As  far as Bioware taking cracks at JRPGs... Im sure Namco/Bandai and Square Enix brushed the dirt off their shoulders.  Seeing how their main stay series are already very well established. 
 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 17 août 2011 - 03:41 .

[Mr.House]

Yrkoon wrote...

Persephone wrote...
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position,

I'll say it again.   if massive FREE DLC  to an already good game  = Manipulation, then  Please CDPR:  keep Manipulating me!

What massive free dlc? Troll and harpy dlc? Those where fun but not enough content to warrent a price, more so if you compare it to say OWB, LotSB and Legacy.

2.0 is not dlc, it's marly fixing alot of issues, re-doing things and maknig the game enjoyable for people who did not have a good time ON the PC version. Also this 2.0 will be with every new version of TW2, so it's again, not really "dlc"

People like you, Dubya and others seem to forget something about DA2. It's not only on the PC, thus console users would be screwed over by any DA2 2.0 or be forced to pay for it while PC users get it as a free download. That's why CDP is able to do this update for PC users, where the 360 version will already have this built-in when it's done...in 2012.

Also enough with the personal attacks on Perse, she did nothing to warrent it. She stated an opinion, calling her an apoglist or bashing her is not needed and it just makes you look bad.

[Mr.House]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Good grief Persephone, you appear to have so much invested in being a Bioware apologist that I’m actually left feeling a little embarrassed for you! CDPR are a phenomenal studio with a great attitude and certainly have my support, but then I’m not an irrational nutjob. Astonishing thread!

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