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Mr.House wrote...
Reported.Fandango9641 wrote...
Good grief Persephone, you appear to have so much invested in being a Bioware apologist that I’m actually left feeling a little embarrassed for you! CDPR are a phenomenal studio with a great attitude and certainly have my support, but then I’m not an irrational nutjob. Astonishing thread!
Persephone wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
CDP are the darlings of the RPG community for this. The less said about EA/Bioware's reputation the better.Zanallen wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.
Publicly traded companies rarely toss out large sums of money without the expectation of some form of compensation. The logistics just aren't there to support large scale alterations to a console game.
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position, I would like them a whole lot more. Let's talk again in.....say a decade and see what precious CDPR will be like by then. You know, when the comparison is actually fair?
Persephone wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
CDP are the darlings of the RPG community for this. The less said about EA/Bioware's reputation the better.Zanallen wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.
Publicly traded companies rarely toss out large sums of money without the expectation of some form of compensation. The logistics just aren't there to support large scale alterations to a console game.
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position, I would like them a whole lot more. Let's talk again in.....say a decade and see what precious CDPR will be like by then. You know, when the comparison is actually fair?
Persephone wrote...
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position, I would like them a whole lot more.
Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 17 août 2011 - 11:39 .
Uzzy wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
CDP are the darlings of the RPG community for this. The less said about EA/Bioware's reputation the better.Zanallen wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
Yes, EA, being as we all know, a tiny little indie games publisher, and Bioware, being a new start up developer, couldn't possibly hope to pay for distribution. The cost would cripple them! Why, they'd go bankrupt.
Publicly traded companies rarely toss out large sums of money without the expectation of some form of compensation. The logistics just aren't there to support large scale alterations to a console game.
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position, I would like them a whole lot more. Let's talk again in.....say a decade and see what precious CDPR will be like by then. You know, when the comparison is actually fair?
If by 'rather obvious manipulation', you mean putting out a great game, then saying 'we'll overhaul it to improve the gaming experience for free'..
CDP are getting a good reputation the right way, by actually improving the playing experience. This is fundamentally a great thing, and EA/Bioware should be doing the same. Heck, all gaming companies should.
Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 17 août 2011 - 11:35 .
2.0 does quite a bit more than just fix issues. it adds arena competition, and Dark mode. And dark mode isn't just a difficulty setting... it's a *game play* setting, adding tons of new, themed items.Mr.House wrote...
What massive free dlc? Troll and harpy dlc? Those where fun but not enough content to warrent a price, more so if you compare it to say OWB, LotSB and Legacy.Yrkoon wrote...
I'll say it again. if massive FREE DLC to an already good game = Manipulation, then Please CDPR: keep Manipulating me!Persephone wrote...
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position,
2.0 is not dlc, it's marly fixing alot of issues, re-doing things and maknig the game enjoyable for people who did not have a good time ON the PC version. Also this 2.0 will be with every new version of TW2, so it's again, not really "dlc"
Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 août 2011 - 11:57 .
Dubya75 wrote...
So why is BioWare refusing to do the right thing?
Mr.House wrote...
What massive free dlc? Troll and harpy dlc? Those where fun but not enough content to warrent a price, more so if you compare it to say OWB, LotSB and Legacy.Yrkoon wrote...
I'll say it again. if massive FREE DLC to an already good game = Manipulation, then Please CDPR: keep Manipulating me!Persephone wrote...
If only they did not feel the need to resort to immature jabs at Bioware, marketing tricks and rather obvious manipulation to gain that position,
2.0 is not dlc, it's marly fixing alot of issues, re-doing things and maknig the game enjoyable for people who did not have a good time ON the PC version. Also this 2.0 will be with every new version of TW2, so it's again, not really "dlc"
Modifié par Gunderic, 18 août 2011 - 12:11 .
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Dubya75 wrote...
So why is BioWare refusing to do the right thing?
Probably because as a mainstream company, they have investors and others that they are accountable to and can't just do things at their whim, including spending money on a complete overhaul of a finished product. I think that quote should really be:
"So why is BioWare refusing to do what I unrealistically demand that they do?"
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Dubya75 wrote...
So why is BioWare refusing to do the right thing?
Probably because as a mainstream company, they have investors and others that they are accountable to and can't just do things at their whim, including spending money on a complete overhaul of a finished product. I think that quote should really be:
"So why is BioWare refusing to do what I unrealistically demand that they do?"
Uzzy wrote...
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Dubya75 wrote...
So why is BioWare refusing to do the right thing?
Probably because as a mainstream company, they have investors and others that they are accountable to and can't just do things at their whim, including spending money on a complete overhaul of a finished product. I think that quote should really be:
"So why is BioWare refusing to do what I unrealistically demand that they do?"
Because their direct competitors are, and my future purchasing habits might very well be influenced by this?
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Dubya75 wrote...
So why is BioWare refusing to do the right thing?
Probably because as a mainstream company, they have investors and others that they are accountable to and can't just do things at their whim, including spending money on a complete overhaul of a finished product. I think that quote should really be:
"So why is BioWare refusing to do what I unrealistically demand that they do?"
Because their direct competitors are, and my future purchasing habits might very well be influenced by this?
Yeah, I think someone's missing the point - BW has actual obligations and budgets. See above about having responsibilities towards investors, etc. You do know that they've got the behemoth of TOR to deal with, ME3 and the future DA3, plus DLC for DA2 - and, I would assume, DLC for ME3 eventually, riught? That's in addition to apparently running sodding Warhammer Online too now.
There are multiple projects for them to deal with, not just one game that they can devote all their time and money on. They can't just snap their fingers and summon up millions of dollars and say hey, let's just totally make over the game because people without any sense of how difficult things are think we should.
If you can't deal with it, nobody's stopping you from taking your dollars elsewhere. Do it. Just realize that what you want is almost completely unrealistic. And if CDP ever has to juggle three or more balls at one time, I'd very much like to see if they're still doing these massive overahauls of theirs.
Kothoses Rothenkisal wrote...
But seriously TW 2 is not a perfect game, it has its issues same as Origins did, but I would rather play those two for the next ten years, than ten NEW DA 2 style games.
Let me put it simply for you. The cost of a complete overhaul of DA2 for 3 different platforms would be astronomical, and giving it away for free would be tantamount to throwing all that money away.Uzzy wrote...
Bioware are a massive company atm, with over 800 employees according to the ever reliable source of Wikipedia. They have divisions all over the place set up for their different games. Don't try and act like it's one small studio doing three games at once. Yes, they have multiple projects to deal with, projects that they themselves took on. These were not forced upon them, with the exception of WAR. If they aren't able or willing to give the resources necessary to DA2 to get a finished, polished product, then that speaks rather ill of what they think of the DA franchise internally, or at least what the money men think of DA.
Modifié par Atakuma, 18 août 2011 - 01:30 .
Uzzy wrote...
Bioware are a massive company atm, with over 800 employees according to the ever reliable source of Wikipedia. They have divisions all over the place set up for their different games. Don't try and act like it's one small studio doing three games at once. Yes, they have multiple projects to deal with, projects that they themselves took on. These were not forced upon them, with the exception of WAR. If they aren't able or willing to give the resources necessary to DA2 to get a finished, polished product, then that speaks rather ill of what they think of the DA franchise internally, or at least what the money men think of DA.
Yeah, CDP are able to give the resources needed to improve the already great game that they've put out, but that's because they've carefully marshalled their resources to allow them to do just that. Stuff like that does make me want to go purchase more games from them, as I know fully well what level of support to expect.
Yes, I can go take my pounds elsewhere. I may very well do that. It's the only real impact I can have.
Atakuma wrote...
Let me put it simply for you. The cost of a complete overhaul of DA2 for 3 different platforms would be astronomical, and giving it away for free would be tantamount to throwing all that money away.Uzzy wrote...
Bioware are a massive company atm, with over 800 employees according to the ever reliable source of Wikipedia. They have divisions all over the place set up for their different games. Don't try and act like it's one small studio doing three games at once. Yes, they have multiple projects to deal with, projects that they themselves took on. These were not forced upon them, with the exception of WAR. If they aren't able or willing to give the resources necessary to DA2 to get a finished, polished product, then that speaks rather ill of what they think of the DA franchise internally, or at least what the money men think of DA.
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Uzzy wrote...
Bioware are a massive company atm, with over 800 employees according to the ever reliable source of Wikipedia. They have divisions all over the place set up for their different games. Don't try and act like it's one small studio doing three games at once. Yes, they have multiple projects to deal with, projects that they themselves took on. These were not forced upon them, with the exception of WAR. If they aren't able or willing to give the resources necessary to DA2 to get a finished, polished product, then that speaks rather ill of what they think of the DA franchise internally, or at least what the money men think of DA.
Yeah, CDP are able to give the resources needed to improve the already great game that they've put out, but that's because they've carefully marshalled their resources to allow them to do just that. Stuff like that does make me want to go purchase more games from them, as I know fully well what level of support to expect.
Yes, I can go take my pounds elsewhere. I may very well do that. It's the only real impact I can have.
I never said they were a small studio, in fact, I said quite clearly that BW is a mainstream company with investors and obligations, etc. Or do I have to repeat that yet again? They have a lot of employees and lot of projects - and all those employees are working on these projects. This is stuff that you plan for in advance. They do not have the luxury to do what you want of them like a smaller independent such as CDP.
You say CDP has carefully marshaled their resources, and I'm sure that that's so very easy when you're not spending hundreds of millions on developing a new MMO and have your (large) staff working on multiple projects. Where do you expect BW to draw the manpower and money from? Out of their heinies? Have fun with CDP.
I'll just say, before letting you all get back to arguing BioWare business practices and finances, that NWN is the only game BioWare has ever even looked at that has had admirable post-release support.Uzzy wrote...
Heck, Neverwinter Nights had six years of patches, many of which added substantially to the game, especially the later ones (released after the sequal had one expansion already out). For me, personally, this generated huge good will. I figured that any Bioware games would have considerable support post launch, if not at the same level of NWN, then something close at least.
devSin wrote...
I'll just say, before letting you all get back to arguing BioWare business practices and finances, that NWN is the only game BioWare has ever even looked at that has had admirable post-release support.Uzzy wrote...
Heck, Neverwinter Nights had six years of patches, many of which added substantially to the game, especially the later ones (released after the sequal had one expansion already out). For me, personally, this generated huge good will. I figured that any Bioware games would have considerable support post launch, if not at the same level of NWN, then something close at least.
When it comes to post-release support, you might expect BioWare to be at the bottom of the barrel, given their past efforts. But the truth is that you have to actually empty and lift up the barrel, and they can be found underneath it. (Not to harsh on them too much; they have lots of company under there.)
If you were expecting anything more, you really haven't been paying attention.
Modifié par devSin, 18 août 2011 - 02:45 .
Atakuma wrote...
Let me put it simply for you. The cost of a complete overhaul of DA2 for 3 different platforms would be astronomical, and giving it away for free would be tantamount to throwing all that money away.Uzzy wrote...
Bioware are a massive company atm, with over 800 employees according to the ever reliable source of Wikipedia. They have divisions all over the place set up for their different games. Don't try and act like it's one small studio doing three games at once. Yes, they have multiple projects to deal with, projects that they themselves took on. These were not forced upon them, with the exception of WAR. If they aren't able or willing to give the resources necessary to DA2 to get a finished, polished product, then that speaks rather ill of what they think of the DA franchise internally, or at least what the money men think of DA.
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