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[marshalleck]

Vanaer wrote...

If they're not going to put the blond one in, it's just racist! Time and time again we blonds get served off as dumb bimbo's. Back off with that stereotyping and just put her in the damn game.

Be quiet, bimbo. If you have blonde hair you should feel awful about it. 

[Sylvianus]

Vanaer wrote...

If they're not going to put the blond one in, it's just racist! Time and time again we blonds get served off as dumb bimbo's. Back off with that stereotyping and just put her in the damn game.

Eh, No that's not racist, that's not the matter. They could simply answer to a requirement by the people for more democratic demand. Of course, Bioware loves all his models. But we don't talk about what they want, but what the people want. 

Many people voted for the / / 5 with long hair, not necessarily for the blonde. Also, many would prefer her to appear more mature. Bioware could continue to create the story of Shepard.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 15 août 2011 - 11:27 .

[Ophiskc]

A second voting would be ridiculous, i don't like to be played around, and i expect better from Bioware

[Leonia]

The convention season is starting to wrap up, it would be foolish to waste the remaining time with voting instead of the showing off of a final product.

[marshalleck]

Sylvianus wrote...

Eh, No that's not racist, that's not the matter.

You sure? Take all the complaints about fair-skinned, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Shepard and substitute the physical description with that of a black or asian woman, and see how people react. "Racist" would be one of the more pleasant responses.

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 août 2011 - 11:40 .

[Ottemis]

Not everyone picked their shep on the basis of haircolor. Ethnic persuasion, two choices on that field, hairstyle, all are different.
Point being, reasons for voting on one of the 6 sheps vary wildly between skin/hair color, ethnicity and hairstyle for starters. The blonde having gotten 40% of overall votes on her own should say more then enough though.
She won by a landslide. Whether or not the voting could have been done better is not being questioned, but she definately blew the competition out of the water.

And yeah, I'm blonde and i'm seriously not amused by the 'blonde-hate'
In a way, if they DO put haircolor to another vote, my hope is that blonde wins again, if only to **** on the 'complainers' parade.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 août 2011 - 11:33 .

[Sylvianus]

It's strange, many didn't share your opinion. Many said they were voting for a candidate, hoping that there might be a small change. For example to remove the red spot in the black hair for // 4. Or choose another hair color for the five.

It is obvious that many hoped it would not be the final production. And that was just the beginning.

Now, it is only speculation, I'm not sure that Bioware do it, but I really hope ha ha.

[charmingcharlie]

I can't say I favour a second round of voting.  There was a clear winner with nearly 32,000 votes that should now be the default femshep.  As much as I was looking forward to the renewed focus of femshep for ME 3 I am now getting a bit sick and tired of this.

I mean come on Bioware you have your default femshep now get on with it and USE her rather than all this messing about.

[Ottemis]

If default Jane v1.0 is considered an example, then she'll be customizable.
Seeing they are saying imports will also be customizable this time around, I don't expect them not to open up customization for the default as a preset.

@Sylvianus
What 'many' thought doesn't matter though does it when you consider they got 6 choices and picked the one they liked most. Ofc people would want to see little things altered, or they vote on the basis of one specific element in the design because THEY decided that feature was most important for them to support, whatever their reason for voting on Blondy, they did. Whether that was for the whole of her or specific parts of her matter little when they made their choice.

Whether 2000 people voted on her hairstyle, and 2000 others voted on her being blonde matters nothing in the end.
We were offered 6 choices, we voted all based on personal prefs. Simple as that.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 août 2011 - 11:43 .

[Sylvianus]

marshalleck wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Eh, No that's not racist, that's not the matter.

You sure? Take all the complaints about fair-skinned, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Shepard and substitute the physical description of that with a black or asian woman, and see how people react. "Racist" would be one of the more pleasant responses.

Nothing to do with them. Bioware could has just realized that there were some various sides. Those seeking to keep the model exactly the same, and those who require the ability to change, or to have options, or to be sure that the demand is really in favour for the current production, without to be changed. Or if it was possible to make better production with the same.

Bioware could have other considerations, not that you talk, that concerns only the people. They could have taken into account the reactions, you think it's fair or not.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 15 août 2011 - 11:52 .

[SandTrout]

Ottemis wrote...

In a way, if they DO put haircolor to another vote, my hope is that blonde wins again, if only to **** on the 'complainers' parade.

Honestly, me too.

I didn't like #5 because of hair-style. Blonde doesn't bother me in the least.

[Sylvianus]

Ottemis wrote...

If default Jane v1.0 is considered an example, then she'll be customizable.
Seeing they are saying imports will also be customizable this time around, I don't expect them not to open up customization for the default as a preset.

@Sylvianus
What 'many' thought doesn't matter though does it when you consider they got 6 choices and picked the one they liked most. Ofc people would want to see little things altered, or they vote on the basis of one specific element in the design because THEY decided that feature was most important for them to support, whatever their reason for voting on Blondy, they did. Whether that was for the whole of her or specific parts of her matter little when they made their choice.

Whether 2000 people voted on her hairstyle, and 2000 others voted on her being blonde matters nothing in the end.
We were offered 6 choices, we voted all based on personal prefs. Simple as that.

Hm ? Have they said that these presets  were the final version ? Have they claimed that there would be only one vote? Or are you talking about the winners with their " deal with it " and their own considerations ? 

Modifié par Sylvianus, 15 août 2011 - 11:52 .

[Ottemis]

Sylvianus wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

If default Jane v1.0 is considered an example, then she'll be customizable.
Seeing they are saying imports will also be customizable this time around, I don't expect them not to open up customization for the default as a preset.

@Sylvianus
What 'many' thought doesn't matter though does it when you consider they got 6 choices and picked the one they liked most. Ofc people would want to see little things altered, or they vote on the basis of one specific element in the design because THEY decided that feature was most important for them to support, whatever their reason for voting on Blondy, they did. Whether that was for the whole of her or specific parts of her matter little when they made their choice.

Whether 2000 people voted on her hairstyle, and 2000 others voted on her being blonde matters nothing in the end.
We were offered 6 choices, we voted all based on personal prefs. Simple as that.

Hm ? Have they said that these presets  were the final version ? Have they claimed that there would be only one vote? Or are you talking about the winners with their " deal with it " and their own considerations ? 

Have they said that they weren't?
Ofc everyone looks at the 'presets' and thinks how they would optimize the designs for themselves.. that's what the bloody CC is for. You got 6 choices, you picked the one you liked most. You want to customize her? Make sure you support the presets being custimizable and make THAT into a campaign because THAT means caring about people's opinion a whole lot more then voting in great detail for the one design the mayority likes.
So, put all this energy into getting all 6 designs into the CC as customizable presets with better textures.
Let option 5 be the postergirl. She earned it.

[charmingcharlie]

Sylvianus wrote...
Hm ? Have they said that these presets  were the final version ? Have they claimed that there would be only one vote? Or are you talking about the winners with their " deal with it " and their own considerations ? 

I would say the title of the facebook poll was pretty clear myself.  It clearly says :-

facebook wrote ...... Mass Effect 2's Photos - Female Shepard. "Like" the one you want in game!

It does not say "roumd 1" it specifically says "like" the one you want in the game.  Now that says to me we get to choose from the 6 and the one with the most likes becomes the new in game default.  Unless the English Language has changed some what since I last looked.

[Sylvianus]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
Hm ? Have they said that these presets  were the final version ? Have they claimed that there would be only one vote? Or are you talking about the winners with their " deal with it " and their own considerations ? 

I would say the title of the facebook poll was pretty clear myself.  It clearly says :-

facebook wrote ...... Mass Effect 2's Photos - Female Shepard. "Like" the one you want in game!

It does not say "roumd 1" it specifically says "like" the one you want in the game.  Now that says to me we get to choose from the 6 and the one with the most likes becomes the new in game default.  Unless the English Language has changed some what since I last looked.

First A poll  should always ask things clearly, to simplify . Especially on Facebook.

" Like The one you want in your game ? " Yes and ? They can't work on it ?

Does it mean final production ? It's about a choice among 6 presets.

And the one we will have would be  probably the // 5.  But where do you see written that the fans can't continue the story of femshep //5 on this preset chosen ?

Anyway, Bioware can read like all of us on facebook (so many comments about the will to change some things for some presets ) and also on this forum and could very well meet strong demand. They have promised nothing.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 15 août 2011 - 12:16 .

[Sylvianus]

Ottemis wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

If default Jane v1.0 is considered an example, then she'll be customizable.
Seeing they are saying imports will also be customizable this time around, I don't expect them not to open up customization for the default as a preset.

@Sylvianus
What 'many' thought doesn't matter though does it when you consider they got 6 choices and picked the one they liked most. Ofc people would want to see little things altered, or they vote on the basis of one specific element in the design because THEY decided that feature was most important for them to support, whatever their reason for voting on Blondy, they did. Whether that was for the whole of her or specific parts of her matter little when they made their choice.

Whether 2000 people voted on her hairstyle, and 2000 others voted on her being blonde matters nothing in the end.
We were offered 6 choices, we voted all based on personal prefs. Simple as that.

Hm ? Have they said that these presets  were the final version ? Have they claimed that there would be only one vote? Or are you talking about the winners with their " deal with it " and their own considerations ? 

Have they said that they weren't?
Ofc everyone looks at the 'presets' and thinks how they would optimize the designs for themselves.. that's what the bloody CC is for. You got 6 choices, you picked the one you liked most. You want to customize her? Make sure you support the presets being custimizable and make THAT into a campaign because THAT means caring about people's opinion a whole lot more then voting in great detail for the one design the mayority likes.
So, put all this energy into getting all 6 designs into the CC as customizable presets with better textures.
Let option 5 be the postergirl. She earned it.

The 5 will be probably the postergirl, but that doesn't mean necessairly this current version.

[The Twilight God]

Captain Crash wrote...

Honestly sometimes its hard to tell with twitter but this really does look like the setup for continuing the polls with Femshep even further

No, it doesn't, but it should. We definitely need a swimsuit & high heels contest. Maybe a booty shaking competition later down the line,

[mineralica]

Goddamnit. Just pick one already and make that trailer/cover. Or don't pick and stick with Sheploo instead. And move the hell on from beauty contest.

[SandTrout]

charmingcharlie wrote...

facebook wrote ...... Mass Effect 2's Photos - Female Shepard. "Like" the one you want in game!

It does not say "roumd 1" it specifically says "like" the one you want in the game.  Now that says to me we get to choose from the 6 and the one with the most likes becomes the new in game default.  Unless the English Language has changed some what since I last looked.

Is that a problem?

[charmingcharlie]

Sylvianus wrote...
First A poll  should always ask things clearly, to simplify . Especially on Facebook.

" Like The one you want in your game ? " Yes and ? They can't work on it ?

Does it mean final production ? It's about a choice among 6 presets.

And the one we will have would be  probably the // 5.  But where do you see written that the fans can't continue the story of femshep //5 on this preset chosen ?

Anyway, Bioware can read like all of us on facebook (so many comments about the will to change some things for some presets ) and also on this forum and could very well meet strong demand. They have promised nothing.

Yes I would say it is pretty clear we get to vote on the one we want in the game.  That is ALL you can say anything else is speculation on your part.  They gave us a choice of 6 femsheps we voted on that basis and it is just "good manners" that Bioware should honour that choice people made.

As for listening to the comments that is a poor way of doing things.  Only about 10% of those that voted actually made a comment with regards to this poll.  So should they ignore the silent majority (90%) just because a few cry babies spat their dummies out because things weren't exactly right for them ?

Yes they did "promise" something they gave us a poll that clearly said we get to like the Femshep that will appear in the game (the poll states that clearly).  If they are now going to go back on that then I consider that a broken promise.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 15 août 2011 - 12:30 .

[Ottemis]

Sylvianus wrote...
The 5 will be probably the postergirl, but that doesn't mean necessairly this current version.

Nonsensical.
Also, try reading my post, just a thought.

[kirashepard]

The new femshep is too young to be out fighting bad guys. She looks like a teenager-early twenties girl, not a galaxy-saving thirty-something woman with a bad-ass crew to command. Hair color has nothing to do with it. Default femshep would've been nice to see on the cover instead. They didn't change default manshep...so why mess with perfection?

[Captain Crash]

The Twilight God wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Honestly sometimes its hard to tell with twitter but this really does look like the setup for continuing the polls with Femshep even further

No, it doesn't, but it should. We definitely need a swimsuit & high heels contest. Maybe a booty shaking competition later down the line,

hmmmmm... Not sure about that last part 

But I agree Twitter is hard to tell sometimes.  But Im certainly not the only person it seems to be thinking Bioware arn't done with the femshep appearance. I mean look at the tweet.

@ThePixelPerfect: But is the vote reeeaaallllly over?!?!?!? This is BioWare - there is always more to the story.


Now it could simply mean they are revamping her details. After all the image quality shown at Comic Con was fairly low so it would be naive to think there wouldnt be a couple of small adjustments.   However with the context of the question and the fact Bioware dont seem to be scared to market her like this leads me to believe something more.

May be nothing, but until we get more info or something happens at Games Con to lay this to rest its understandable the context of the tweet could easily be read into as something else.   Especially because they essentially say its not over yet!

[Sylvianus]

Ottemis wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
The 5 will be probably the postergirl, but that doesn't mean necessairly this current version.

Nonsensical.
Also, try reading my post, just a thought.

Nonsensical ? So let's choose a preset, but not allowed to work on ?   this makes sense, yeah. This doesn't  just enter in your considerations.

You, you think when you vote, nothing should be changed, others do not think it at all and would like to see changes that may well be the subject of an another vote on the same preset that has been chosen.

Do not confuse facts = / opinions, thank you.

And I read your post, but what are your considerations,  Bioware isn't obliged to share them.  your thoughts, they are cool, but they aren't the universal truth and the law that all we must follow.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 15 août 2011 - 12:39 .

[Thrombin]

Femshep #5 won the vote but only because she was the best of the models presented. It was blatantly clear that a lot of people were not happy with the options presented.

Points were made that all of them looked too young, many who voted for #5 were voting for hair style but wanted a different colour. I don't think Bioware can be at all confident that #5 is really what people want.

If they do a new poll with options more akin to what the community have been asking for then where's the harm?

If people still want #5 then #5 will win again. If not, then they were right to re poll. I don't see the downside?