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[Thrombin]

I'm still struggling to see the downside in presenting additional options to vote for when so many people clearly wanted those options.

The only people who stand to lose out from such a poll are the ones who want #5 as is. If the majority want #5 as is then that's what they'll get. The only way they won't get it is if the majority don't want it and if the majority don't want it then the re poll becomes doubly justified.

[charmingcharlie]

RynJ wrote...

I wouldn't mind a second poll, why not? It makes things take a little longer but at least Bioware will know what their fans really want.

There doesn't need to be a second vote because femshep 5 won by a massive margin (twice as many votes as the runner up).  I could understand the need for a second vote if there was no clear winner but that isn't the case here.

Anyway I have come up with a solution to all this.  There is no need for a second vote, what Bioware need to do is totally and completely ignore what people voted for and just build a femshep based on the comments (since that seems to be the only feedback they care about).

So with that in mind femshep should have the following alterations :-

• Make her old, I mean really old because we know femshep should be old from the feedback.  I mean so old that she makes Nanny McPhee look like jailbait.  The minority want Femshep with crows feet and liver spots.
• Remove some of her front teeth, after all femshep is a warrior and has been through battles.
• Naturally she should be dark skinned
• Hair well obviously people want lots of hair.  However it shouldn't be long and across her face because according to the "experts" billions of years of evolution has failed to come up with an eye design that can see through a few strands of hair.  The solution is simple ......... give her an afro, you know a huge stonking afro.  An afro so big a threaher maw could raise a family of ten in it.
• Hair colour well obviously RED I mean the fact red head femshep is coming second to last obviously is not an indication as to how unpopular red hair is.  Naturally the redder the better so a great stonking red afro is order of the day.
• Eye colour that is difficult perhaps give her one green eye and one blue eye to satisfy everyone.  In fact give her 4 eyes and she can have a green eye, blue eye, hazel eye and day glow purple eye.  That should satisfy everyone.
• Body shape well she should naturally be flat chested after all it is disgusting that Femshep should even resemble a woman and whilst you are at it you could "accentuate" the private region you know give her a meaty package so she looks like some Lady boy called Ting Tong.
• Give her a necklace of shruken heads, these shrunken heads should all be of blonde women because we all know how "hated" blondes are in the universe.

There you go 8 easy steps Bioware can take to make a Femshep that will please the minority of commentators on facebook.  Finally one last step is :-

DON'T EVER DO A POLL LIKE THIS AGAIN IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ABIDE BY THE RESULTS

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 15 août 2011 - 03:43 .

[ipgd]

Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, cus its impossible for me to be a regular here and a good chunk of the users here mention their gender at one point or another.

also talking about all those articles with the feminists ranting about "barbie shepard" and stuff. those count too

lastly. to anyone raging about blonde femshep, be you male or female. you lost. deal with it.

Men generally have less interest in the implications of the visual representations of women in media, typically because they're not women. Women are also, you know, more likely to actually want to play female Shepard or care about her existence in any capacity. I don't think this has whatever conspiratorial undertones you seem to think it has.

In Exile wrote...

Are you sure? It looks to be the same structure to me. Even the darker skin tone.

Yeah, they're a bit different. There's a comparison gif somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.

Modifié par ipgd, 15 août 2011 - 03:37 .

[Ottemis]

@charmingcharlie: Win.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 août 2011 - 03:40 .

[CrazyRah]

@Charmingcharlie: Oh so damn yes! That would be perfect xD. A huge win right there! That's probably hte most hilarious thing i've read in ages. In all honesty i prefer that Bioware don't make a second poll

Modifié par CommanderSarah, 15 août 2011 - 03:42 .

[Captain Crash]

Thrombin wrote...

I'm still struggling to see the downside in presenting additional options to vote for when so many people clearly wanted those options.

The only people who stand to lose out from such a poll are the ones who want #5 as is. If the majority want #5 as is then that's what they'll get. The only way they won't get it is if the majority don't want it and if the majority don't want it then the re poll becomes doubly justified.

As said I really dont think thats the case.  You seem to be just saying the same point.  Im not stubborn and will listen if you can suggest why there isn't a downside.   To me and several others there is a massive problem with extending it.  If you can explain why the points I listed in your previous responce wont be harmful then I may be more inclined to see your side.

http://social.biowar...14669/3#8115515


@charlie:  Hits the nail on the head really doesnt it. 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 15 août 2011 - 03:44 .

[Leonia]

This thread seems to assume that another poll will happen or that the previous vote will be nullified or outright ignored in some way. We don't know what Bioware's plans are yet, let's not get our knickers in a twist until we have a bit more information.

[MysteryNotes]

Huh.
How superficial can these people be.
"Chadrassa MMH
Canceled my pre-order of the CE of #ME3 Sorry, I wanted female Comander Shepard on my box, not some dolled-up pretender. #femshep"

So this clown canceled his preorder because he didn't like the way the box art looks.
Reminds me of a little kid throwing a tantrum, heh.

[Captain Crash]

leonia42 wrote...

This thread seems to assume that another poll will happen or that the previous vote will be nullified or outright ignored in some way. We don't know what Bioware's plans are yet, let's not get our knickers in a twist until we have a bit more information.

True Leonia, first line of the OP states that really. It is assuming something on little information. This David Silverman statement seems to incline the direction its heading as well though.

http://social.biowar...14669/3#8115590


Thing is the lack of information we currently have and the direction these comments from Bioware indicate it does leave the sense they are not done yet. Thus why I feel slightly concerned. Better to address the potential issue now before it does happen and its too late!

Modifié par Captain Crash, 15 août 2011 - 03:49 .

[Ottemis]

leonia42 wrote...

This thread seems to assume that another poll will happen or that the previous vote will be nullified or outright ignored in some way. We don't know what Bioware's plans are yet, let's not get our knickers in a twist until we have a bit more information.

Not so much the assumption it will happen as the possibility.
If there's been hints towards the possibility of something you either do or don't support, it would seem prudent to me to discuss it before it's decided upon so the argumentation can possibly be taken into consideration by bioware should they wish to do so.

[Clonedzero]

MysteryNotes wrote...

Huh.
How superficial can these people be.
"Chadrassa MMH
Canceled my pre-order of the CE of #ME3 Sorry, I wanted female Comander Shepard on my box, not some dolled-up pretender. #femshep"

So this clown canceled his preorder because he didn't like the way the box art looks.
Reminds me of a little kid throwing a tantrum, heh.

but it was going to happen no matter which femshep won.
people on the internet are sore losers.

[Ottemis]

Sadly, that's too true =(

[ipgd]

ipgd wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Are you sure? It looks to be the same structure to me. Even the darker skin tone.

Yeah, they're a bit different. There's a comparison gif somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.

Here:



Basically they all have some really tiny facial tweaks that you pretty much can't even see in the low resolution images they put up for you to vote on.

Modifié par ipgd, 15 août 2011 - 04:18 .

[Images]

Vote happened. Choice was made. Badabing Badaboom.

[MrCairo]

Shouldn't we just be happy Femshep is being recognised?

[kirashepard]

MysteryNotes wrote...

kirashepard wrote...

The new femshep is too young to be out fighting bad guys. She looks like a teenager-early twenties girl, not a galaxy-saving thirty-something woman with a bad-ass crew to command. Hair color has nothing to do with it. Default femshep would've been nice to see on the cover instead. They didn't change default manshep...so why mess with perfection?

Is it so hard to think that in the future there could be technology to make you look younger?
Have you heard of..skincare products?

Not a legit argument.  Say...Bio puts a Justin Bieber looking Shepard on the cover as John instead of the original default?  That's a little what it's like for us femshep players that have stuck with our characters since the release of ME1...seeing the potential, yet very off version of the new femshep instead of the original was kind of a shock.  Just saying...I like the old shep better.

BioWare I'm sure knows what they're doing.  I'm not happy with the femshep choices, but I love the game more than any other game I've ever played and won't damn the maker over superficial makeovers.  heh

[Captain Crash]

MrCairo wrote...

Shouldn't we just be happy Femshep is being recognised?

Indeed, thats the point of the thread. She has been recognised.  I really am glad we got to this point.  However the reasons why we wanted her on the cover is starting to become overshadowed by this beauty contest idea thats being thrust upon us.  Which can only get worse if Bioware continue pushing this ideal.

[nranola]

Five pages and I only see two posts (Thrombin and RynJ, bless yo faces) that approve of a second vote to some degree. Clearly I'm in the minority on this one. xP

Before I say anything I'd like to make it clear that I have no problems with BlondeShep. While she's not a personal favorite of mine among the 6, I do respect that the majority chose her, and she kicks ass just as much as the others.

But if there's a chance to do another vote, I'm all up for it. Why? See, the problem with voting on a "package deal" basis is that people tend to like one part and dislike another. People could have voted on a femShep because of the hairstyle alone, people could have voted because of the hair color alone, and so on. I think it's because of this that people start with their assumptions about how people are voting on overdone standard of beauty, when that is not the case with everyone.

And so began the First Compact War. (Haaah! Get it? Compact because it's make up and... okay I'll shut up now.)

But when people are made to vote on a per-feature basis (what I like to call the "Collective Character Creator"), much like RynJ said, it'll show what the fans really want across the board. This is NOT me saying that the fans really don't like blondes, or that they really don't like the hairstyle, or the skin color, or whatever - that is exactly the mentality that the package voting has enforced. I'm saying that with a second vote we can determine which features the majority picked out from that package.

This way we can truly say that we've "customized" promotional femShep to the fullest extent. Isn't that one of the things that makes FemShep so interesting? That, in the absence of an iconic figure, we all have our different interpretations about how she looks? And to be able to apply what makes FemShep such an interesting and unique case, to be able to customize her as a community? I think that's something really special. BioWare is giving us this opportunity and it'd be such a waste to squander it.

That's not saying that I don't see the negative side to this as well. When the voting started they've given us no indication that there will be a second or third vote, and I see how that can be a slap in the face to a lot of people. But if they do go through with a second vote, to the people content and are in full support of BlondeShep in her entirety, I suggest this:

Make your statement by voting for her features again. If she wins again, more power to her! If not, then as with all things involving democracy, we'll all just have to respect what the majority has decided on. Nothing lost, no opportunities wasted, more happy people to go around.

And if the second voting doesn't happen, then in the same way, we all have to accept what decision has been made and be happy with it.

As a final note, I think we can all agree that ultimately we should celebrate FemShep finally being recognized on a wider scale. I have certainly not lost sight of that. I'm just of the opinion that we're given this opportunity to do something great as a community, something that I'm pretty sure no other company has given their fans the privilege of doing, and that there's something more to gain that to be lost. So why not seize this chance?

That is all.

Modifié par nranola, 15 août 2011 - 04:54 .

[Clonedzero]

MrCairo wrote...

Shouldn't we just be happy Femshep is being recognised?

she wasnt before? boo hoo she's not on the cover so we're gonna scream discrimination? the whole thing is stupid.

[Ottemis]

I think there's no debate to be had about whether or not the voting and offering of the options could have been done much much better, specially seeing the whole idea was to have the fans pick.

Though there is some crude elegance to be found in the way Bioware has done it (sofar).
People have a knack of not supporting whatever doesn't directly carry their vote, which is a generalization but the current voting debate should emphasize the point on it's own.
If you validate people's thought they have a right to want and demand, they will keep at it and more often then not they will keep seeing fault in things way beyond optimization.

Giving us 'choice' limited in such a way is what I mean with crude elegance, because we got choice to an extend after which the question of optimization is dead.
Atleast, this situation, to me, seems far more productive at this point then re-opening this potential sh*tstorm up for even MORE debate by giving us a revamped voting option.

Imho, the idea is stellar, but should be applied to something that's not yet 'finished' running it's course. Hence me suggesting what I did in regards to the CC options.
While I understand the arguments against the standing vote, I think it VERY unwise to toss up another.

To add to that:
I don't have high regard for the state of mind of the average human being.
Meaning: People like to complain if things are not exactly as they want them to be.
If you revamp the vote, what I see happening is half of the old voters raging, then with a new outcome even more people will rage because it will, again, not fully reflect their preference or deviate highly from the original vote.
It's a song without end.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 août 2011 - 05:16 .

[Captain Crash]

@nranola:  I somewhat agree, but as a community we have already casted a vote.  If we do one more then why will that suddenly resolve everything? Its nice she getting some attention and I understand Bioware what to make the most of marketing.  But as said we will be forever tweaking different desings as not everyone will be happy with what Bioware do next.


"And if the second voting doesn't happen, then in the same way, we all have to accept what decision has been made and be happy with it."

Why?   People arnt happy with the first vote then why will they be happy with #2 and why will they just blindly accept it this time round?    Call me cynical but I dont think people will be suddenly be happy just because they got a second vote and something changed.   Next they will want another and then another.

Ok Im preaching to the choir.  I know your smart enough to know all that, but I just feel that this wont quell all the unhappy people out there and potentially could lead to more problems.  

I may be totally wrong.  I hope so!  I guess we will just need to wait to Comic Con and see what happens next.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 15 août 2011 - 05:10 .

[nranola]

Ottemis wrote...

Imho, the idea is stellar, but should be applied to something that's not yet 'finished' running it's course. Hence me suggesting what I did in regards to the CC options.
While I understand the arguments against the standing vote, I think it VERY unwise to toss up another.

To add to that:
I don't have high regard for the state of mind of the average human being.
Meaning: People like to complain if things are not exactly as they want them to be.
If you revamp the vote, what I see happening is half of the old voters raging, then with a new outcome even more people will rage because it will, again, not fully reflect their preference or deviate highly from the original vote.
It's a song without end.

The way I see it, it's inevitable that people will complain whether or not an extended vote is implemented. If we settle with what we have now, people will complain. If we extend the vote, people will still complain. So why not just go with an extended vote anyway?

Another vote doesn't make the old vote obsolete - at least not completely. The options for blonde hair, blue eyes, tousled hairstyle, and fair skin will no doubt still be there; and everyone is welcome to vote on the same set if they feel compelled to.

So that's my suggestion. If you want to make a statement, or if you want to support BlondeShep all the way, then simply vote for the same set of features. But, while there will undoubtedly be those who still complain, having the option to choose otherwise (and not in a packaged version like before) will make some fans happy. I know I will.

Captain Crash wrote...

"And if the second voting doesn't happen, then in the same way, we all have to accept what decision has been made and be happy with it."

Why?   People arnt happy with the first vote then why will they be happy with #2 and why will they just blindly accept it this time round?    Call me cynical but I dont think people will be suddenly be happy just because they got a second vote and something changed.   Next they will want another and then another.

Ok Im preaching to the choir.  I know your smart enough to know all that, but I just feel that this wont quell all the unhappy people out there and potentially could lead to more problems.  

I may be totally wrong.  I hope so!  I guess we will just need to wait to Comic Con and see what happens next.

Ah, I wasn't implying that a second vote will silence the complaints. It's a given that no matter what happens people will find something to complain about. xD But like what I said above, extended voting or no, people will still complain, so there's not much to lose and instead something to gain by going through with it.

I like to believe that BioWare's marketing is smart enough to know when to stop giving into what the fans want. Whether or not it'll stop here, indeed, we'll have to wait and see. I still think an extended vote isn't that far a step to take though.

[Nastrod]

It is not even like the voting was close since #5 won by more then two times what the closest other one had. I am so sick how the vocal minority always screw things up. Oh lets just change everything again because a small amount but loud group is having a hissy fit over the choice.

[Captain Crash]

Actually I just seen higher res screenshots of all six femsheps


Shep #1

Shep #2

Shep #3

Shep #4

Shep #5

Shep #6


Seeing them in greater quality actually makes a huge difference.  It may actually have effected the vote a great deal.   Im glad I voted #2 but seeing those freckles is great!




I mean the poll was flawed.  Maybe if Bioware take it seriously.  Give us proper options with higher res screenshots then it may quell a lot of it?!

Hard to say.  Its just that seeing those sheps for the first time in high detail is making me think votes could easily be swayed...

Is another vote the answer though...  

Modifié par Captain Crash, 15 août 2011 - 05:54 .