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[thatdude90210]

Commander Shepard. Captain of the Normandy, the first human Spectre, savior of the Citadel.

Now reduced to beauty contestant. Miss Caifornia will be assuming direct control.

[In Exile]

ipgd wrote...
Yeah, they're a bit different. There's a comparison gif somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
Here:



Basically they all have some really tiny facial tweaks that you pretty much can't even see in the low resolution images they put up for you to vote on.

I see. I really like the blonde femshep at that res. She has a wider jaw, and a much stronger jaw. It makes her look much stronger. She has looks eye-liner... but pretty much every femshep had that. Hell, maybe she's just naturally pretty and has great eyebrows.

We've already got an actual male model as Sheploo, so what's the difference? Seriously. 

Modifié par In Exile, 15 août 2011 - 05:55 .

[Arppis]

thatdude90210 wrote...

Commander Shepard. Captain of the Normandy, the first human Spectre, savior of the Citadel.

Now reduced to beauty contestant. Miss Caifornia will be assuming direct control.

Can't be beautiful and great at what she does?

Besides, Alliance already did it in game.

[Captain_Obvious]

Let me start off by saying that I'm female, and I generally don't play games where women are grossly oversexualized (Bayonetta anyone) because it's not a manner in which I like to see women portrayed.  On the other hand, you don't see me complaining when I get to look at a massively buffed Kratos or Batman for hours at a time.

To those who say "just be happy you get a FemShep on the cover," I would say please look into male privilege and the male gaze.  Google it, and read up a bit.  If you still think that is a good argument, then there's nothing else I can say to help you understand why that's a silly argument, and I'm not going to get into it more here. 

All that being said, I really don't understand all of the criticism of the winning FemShep.  She doesn't represent an ideal woman any more than Sheploo represents the ideal man.  Sheploo has black hair (I think) and blue eyes.  The previous iteration of the default FemShep had red hair and green eyes.  For those that want to stay with the former default FemShep, I fail to see how that model is any more representative of women in general than the blond-haired, blue-eyed one is. 

The winning FemShep does not appear to be over-sexualized any more than Sheploo does.  They didn't put her in a thong, they didn't add a space for cleavage to show, they didn't increase her bust size to "boobs on a stick" level, they didn't add overly feminine features like long, sweeping eyelashes or big Angelina Jolie inflated lips.  The winning FemShep looks like an attractive woman in armour, not a stripper waiting to take it all off a la Kelly Chambers if you buy her dinner.   

In regards to equality, I'm going to go a bit out on a limb and say that the male players who play as default FemShep are sorta getting the short end, so to speak.  Sheploo was based on a real-life male model.  He's freaking HAWT.  I keep him in light armour to better admire his "qualities" and I will never be able to create a man-shep that looks as good as him. 

That being said, default FemShep wasn't based on some uber-hotness bikini wearing female model.  Why not?  Because that would have been wrong.  Why would it have been wrong to do that if Sheploo had already got the "based on a model" treatment?  I think a lot of people would agree that it would have been wrong, but it would have been equal.  My argument would be that Sheploo/ManShep got preferential treatment at the outset, FemShep got preferential treatment here.  Both are representative of men and women, but neither represent the ideal. 

Shorter version: I don't care, I'm making my own FemShep. 

[In Exile]

thatdude90210 wrote...

Commander Shepard. Captain of the Normandy, the first human Spectre, savior of the Citadel.

Now reduced to beauty contestant. Miss Caifornia will be assuming direct control.

Not like, as I just said, the default male Shepard isn't a male model since ME1.

Wait! He was a male model since ME1. <_<

[Ottemis]

Captain Crash wrote...

Actually I just seen higher res screenshots of all six femsheps

Shep #1
Shep #2
Shep #3
Shep #4
Shep #5
Shep #6

Seeing
them in greater quality actually makes a huge difference.  It may
actually have effected the vote a great deal.   Im glad I voted #2 but
seeing those freckles is great!

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

I
mean the poll was flawed.  Maybe if Bioware take it seriously.  Give us
proper options with higher res screenshots then it may quell a lot of
it?!

Hard to say.  Its just that seeing those sheps for the first
time in high detail is making me think votes could easily be swayed...

Is another vote the answer though...  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Heh well after all the hate-mongering that kinda makes it a bit of a sh*tter doesn't it?
People are stepping into it with the knowledge of the last outcome as well.
While I really don't care which one made the cover, I reckon enough do for that to be an issue.

I agree btw, the high res ones make all the difference.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 août 2011 - 06:00 .

[nranola]

Nastrod wrote...

It is not even like the voting was close since #5 won by more then two times what the closest other one had. I am so sick how the vocal minority always screw things up. Oh lets just change everything again because a small amount but loud group is having a hissy fit over the choice.

Let's not forget that the FemShep community is also a vocal minority. If we [FemShep supporters] didn't "have a hissy fit" would any of this have happened? I highly doubt it. ;P

Modifié par nranola, 15 août 2011 - 06:03 .

[Thrombin]

Captain Crash wrote...
As said I really dont think thats the case.  You seem to be just saying the same point.  Im not stubborn and will listen if you can suggest why there isn't a downside.   To me and several others there is a massive problem with extending it.  If you can explain why the points I listed in your previous responce wont be harmful then I may be more inclined to see your side.

http://social.biowar...14669/3#8115515


@charlie:  Hits the nail on the head really doesnt it. 

I'll admit some of my points were re-iterated but then, like I always say, "a good thing's worth repeating" 

I couldn't really respond to your last post as I only have iphone access to the forums at work and Quick Reply is the only thing that works that way.

I'll try to address your specific points this time:

Captain Crash wrote...
Personally I think carrying it on, or adding new options and adjustments is harmful.  As said its already becoming viewed as Biowares "beauty contest" and carrying on adding to it is going to leave a negative lasting image.  Its no longer about the CE Box or the Trailer.  Its all about her looks and that whats going to be remembered.  Not the fact femshep finally got recognition, but the fact Bioware created a marketing stunt and an image they couldnt decide on and the fans diagreed with each other over.

Alternatively, they could think that Bioware catered to the fans by involving them in the design of femshep and when it became clear that many fans wanted other options they were happy to accomodate them. That seems to be the most obvious conclusion.

My negative lasting image at the moment is that I've had to vote for a compromise Shepard that I'm not really happy with and that could be improved with a minor fix and a re-vote. I don't know about anyone else but, speaking personally, I will find a re-vote nothing but a postiive step, even if Blonde Shepard wins it again.

I haven't been glued to every post in every femshep thread, I've just dipped in and out occasionally, but it seems to me that the main controversy is that people weren't happy with the choices available. Many people weren't happy to accept Blonde Shepard because they didn't consider that #5 winning necessarily meant that Blonde Shepard was people's preferred femshep. Only that it was the preferred option of the six presented.

By providing a new poll with variations of #5 I see no reason why that controversy would continue. It would settle the controversy as we would then know for sure whether people were voting for hair colour or hair style. End of uncertainty and more chance for people to get what they actually want.

I mean if they redo them all again and do a new contest what then?  The same things will be happening. People will be unhappy one of them won, or they wish another had a different hair colour.  Additionally the vote may even be closer with some new designs and the new winning shep may have for example 26% of the vote. What then? You have a crowd now of 74% who are unhappy with the new look.    Are you going to do yet another poll?  

Obviously we're not talking about a re-poll of the same six Shepards. #5 won so I would expect the re-poll to be variations of #5. The majority wanted #5 and a lot who voted #5 wanted different variations with different hair.. Even some who voted for other Shepards (I voted #3) might prefer #5 with different hair to their original vote (e.g.. me).  so now there's a much better chance of finding out what people actually want.  If Blonde won a vote like that, no matter  how narrow the margin, I wouldn't have any problem at all backing Blonde Shepard as the people's favourite. Right now, however, I am not at all sure that Blonde Shepard is the people's favourite only that she is the best compromise given the options.

Its a situation where not everyone will be happy.  Simple fact!  But Blonde Shep does have a large chunk of the votes and Bioware should stick to it.   Tweeking and adding new Shepards will make the situation even worse in my eyes.

With more options there's more chance of making more people happy. It's just common sense. People who don't like the idea of a beauty contest are out of luck already. A second poll shouldn't change things for them either way.

Still not seeing the downside, to be honest.

Regards

Julian

[CrazyRah]

Captain Crash wrote...

Actually I just seen higher res screenshots of all six femsheps


Shep #1

Shep #2

Shep #3

Shep #4

Shep #5

Shep #6


Seeing them in greater quality actually makes a huge difference.  It may actually have effected the vote a great deal.   Im glad I voted #2 but seeing those freckles is great!




I mean the poll was flawed.  Maybe if Bioware take it seriously.  Give us proper options with higher res screenshots then it may quell a lot of it?!

Hard to say.  Its just that seeing those sheps for the first time in high detail is making me think votes could easily be swayed...

Is another vote the answer though...  

Damn! There pictures probably would have affected a few votes. I'm still glad i voted for #2 and now when i see the freckles i'm even more happy about it!

[Arppis]

CommanderSarah wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Actually I just seen higher res screenshots of all six femsheps


Shep #1

Shep #2

Shep #3

Shep #4

Shep #5

Shep #6


Seeing them in greater quality actually makes a huge difference.  It may actually have effected the vote a great deal.   Im glad I voted #2 but seeing those freckles is great!




I mean the poll was flawed.  Maybe if Bioware take it seriously.  Give us proper options with higher res screenshots then it may quell a lot of it?!

Hard to say.  Its just that seeing those sheps for the first time in high detail is making me think votes could easily be swayed...

Is another vote the answer though...  

Damn! There pictures probably would have affected a few votes. I'm still glad i voted for #2 and now when i see the freckles i'm even more happy about it!

Nice... just too bad they choose to put the character on right side of the screen where my msn window basicaly blocks it. Would have been good wallpaper (OFCOURSE NUMBER 4 IS THE BEST!).

Modifié par Arppis, 15 août 2011 - 06:05 .

[bucyrus5000]

no more femshep contest please, unless we have a femshep swimsuit competition...well even then...err....no...yes...I do want to see femshep in a bikini.

[Thrombin]

thatdude90210 wrote...

Commander Shepard. Captain of the Normandy, the first human Spectre, savior of the Citadel.

Now reduced to beauty contestant. Miss Caifornia will be assuming direct control.

It's not necessarily about beauty, though. Personally I think #4 and #6 are the most beautiful but I voted for #3 and I prefer #5 with dark hair to any of the options portrayed. Not because she's more beautiful but because she has the right mix between toughness and looks.

Many people want her to look older. Does that spell beauty contest?

Just because it's about choosing the right look doesn't make it about beauty.

[Captain Crash]

Thanks Thrombin    as you and I both know it was a good post and does shed a different light about it all.


Actually reading your reply there, as well as reading what nranola posted, plus now seeing the higher resolution images of each of them for the first time I am started to be swayed that perhaps its not totally a bad thing.

The facebook contest had flaws.  Big ones.  I dont think a new vote will resolve those underlying issues and there will still be a lot of unhappy people whether it happens or doesnt.   However if Bioware do it right this time round by giving us high quality images.  It could work.   Or it could just make the issue drag on longer.  Its a gamble really.


Anyway I understand completely why doing a second round could have its advantages.  I just not convinced yet it will outweigh the problems.   Theres some fundamental issues that I cant see anyway around. 

Still I guess we will see what happens next.   Hopefully Im blowing off steam and none of fears come to light 

[ADLegend21]

Great, MORE complaining! Yay!

[bucyrus5000]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Great, MORE complaining! Yay!

yah, well, we need to stick to what we are good at, don't we.

[Captain Crash]

Do you think it will stop? Inevitably there will be a lot more complaining if Bioware do yet another round of voting. Again we will see the posts and threads the likes of "But I prefer #4 with red hair", "she still looks too young" ect, ect...

Clashes of opinion will always occur

[RynJ]

Second poll or no second poll I'm happy FemShep is being recognized!

@Captain Crash: Yeah a second round could end up with more complaining, but at least the complaining wouldn't have any real basis anymore. If blonde won again then no one could argue that it was only the hairstyle that won it. Downside is that we'd have to wait longer to see the epic FemShep trailer!

I've never seen the high res pictures for all of them until now. #2 looks a lot better in high res, freckles ftw!

[100k]

Bioware needs to do one of two things:

a) Tell us that the femShep contest is a marketing play to attract a new female audience. If this is true, then they shouldn't bother giving us another poll, and should just start marketing her already.

-or-

Tell us that the femShep contest was intended as a service for fans of female Shepard. If this is true, they can justify continuing the polls -- but they should be warned that it means that we probably won't see a [new] femShep until November.

They simply can't have it both ways.

If it was a service to begin with (which I didn't realize a while back), then it isn't fair to the femShep fans that their choices were drowned out by a large number of casual, semi interested, mostly male gamers.

If it is a marketing play, then they should just give us a new goddamn trailer. I'm sick of seeing the Sur Kesh demo, hearing the same old stupid questions being asked (seriously people -- just use google), and hearing the same thing in interviews being repeated. I want some new footage damn it! I think we all want some new footage.

*shameless copy pastin'*

Modifié par 100k, 15 août 2011 - 06:29 .

[GreenSoda]

CommanderSarah wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Actually I just seen higher res screenshots of all six femsheps


Shep #1

Shep #2

Shep #3

Shep #4

Shep #5

Shep #6


Seeing them in greater quality actually makes a huge difference.  It may actually have effected the vote a great deal.   Im glad I voted #2 but seeing those freckles is great!




I mean the poll was flawed.  Maybe if Bioware take it seriously.  Give us proper options with higher res screenshots then it may quell a lot of it?!

Hard to say.  Its just that seeing those sheps for the first time in high detail is making me think votes could easily be swayed...

Is another vote the answer though...  

Damn! There pictures probably would have affected a few votes. I'm still glad i voted for #2 and now when i see the freckles i'm even more happy about it!

Indeed. I didn't even notice that all models had renegade scars on them, before. Their facial features now even look different instead of just being the same face with different skin color and hair. Heh.

[Arppis]

Freckles are nice and all, but red hair doesn't please my eyes. Brown with freckles would be better.

[DarthSliver]

Female Shepard gets recognized, people should be happy with that alone and they were. Bioware lets us vote on 6 different femsheps, people should be happy but they arent because they are sore losers and "their" Shep they voted on didnt win. This Femshep thing is coming to the point that maybe Bioware shouldnt have listen to the fans because its becoming a mess. This is exactly why other companys dont Market a female lead if its an option unless the female lead is the only leading character. I feel that the fans are ruining the fact that Bioware gave us a choice and I regret now that Bioware ever gave us a choice because it started a bunch of other crap. People complaining that their Shep lost and being sore losers and all that jazz.

Now I like where Captain Crash is going, I am fully against a second vote. So why should Bioware do another vote #5 won fair and square and yes i am fully aware some only voted for her Hairstyle but those arent the ones i see complaining. Like I said we fans made a mockery of this whole thing that Bioware was doing allowing us to choose. But Bioware will make a bigger mockery of this if they do a second vote listening to the sore losers. Bioware just needs to put out the Femshep Trailer and i hope it will happen at GamesCom

[Ottemis]

Fans of the game are not necessarily fans of femshep, femshep got enough hate before Bioware decided to market her. That doesn't make the marketting a femshep a bad idea, it just makes alot of people really freaking petty in the end.

[Collider]

I think that people should just deal with the blonde femshep that was chosen, it was the femshep that got the highest number of points. They should stick to that.

However, I'm fine with another poll of choosing variations of the blonde femshep. What we've seen was just concept art, after all.

Also, what's with calling the poll a "beauty contest"?

[Captain Crash]

Here you go Collider, reason for the "beauty contest" title:

http://social.biowar...14669/3#8115310


Dont necessarily agree with it, but when it comes out the horses mouth so to speak, it already leaving a lasting legacy.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 15 août 2011 - 06:51 .