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[In Exile]

I don't recall Chris explicitly denying MP. He just said that we're stubborn, and that we should wait for Gamescon before exploding in righteous rage.

[Pwnisher]

It certainly is going to be interesting what BioWare is going to show tomorrow at Gamescom. IF they say there is going to be multiplayer in ME3, I'm going to wait until ME3 comes out before I pass judgement on it. Though I kinda doubt that they would put multiplayer in ME3, it being the last game in the trilogy.

[AtreiyaN7]

In Exile wrote...

I don't recall Chris explicitly denying MP. He just said that we're stubborn, and that we should wait for Gamescon before exploding in righteous rage.

Yeah, I wouldn't call it "righteous rage," personally. I'd describe any violent reactions to multi-player (if it's even in) as "completely irrational anger over a feature that has nothing to do with the single-player game at all."

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 15 août 2011 - 05:41 .

[Jussylein]

so times a very different question to the community is, you do not do well, we inform you that even if we only had Recite German products because we have the German news you would only find out later :-), since it does not matter to us, we what could you ignore tips in simple matters, but it belongs to the community well for me as for me the best Bioware games is the world, we have just posted about the Germans in the whole network is making the rounds together with news that is not coming of us, can you tell us the faith, I like all social Bioware forum Community smilie<3

Modifié par Lady Of Darkness, 15 août 2011 - 05:44 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Imagine ( if ) all this delay really is just to add Kinect & Multiplayer and then upon release of the retail version there was a day one DLC... lol

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 août 2011 - 05:44 .

[In Exile]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Yeah, I wouldn't call it "righteous rage," personally. I'd describe any violent reactions to multi-player (if it's even in) as "completely irrational anger over a feature that has nothing to do with the single-player game at all."

I was being sarcastic. Doesn't really carry over in text, though. 

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Imagine ( if ) they all this delay really is just to add Kinect & Multiplayer and then upon release of the retail version there was a day one DLC... lol

There will totally be day 1 DLC... but that goes right back to my "meh, it's a game" position.

Personally, I support DLC as a way for game companies to up revenues. An RPG genre would be a lot more viable as a AAA title with 100$ games than the current prices. 

Modifié par In Exile, 15 août 2011 - 05:44 .

[Ravenmyste]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Here we go again.

The cover of the magize used, the rumors, etc have yet to be proven. As always, we do not comment on rumors. Wait until the news of Gamescom comes out and then see what new information is revealed.

I am chaning the title oif the thread as it is totally misleading, since it s once again based on rumors.

quick someone fix  chris's spell checker stat!!

he typoi:police:ng all over the place!

[Warlocomotf]

"Assassins Creed: Brotherhood" is not a multiplayer game- but it has some multi player elements. The same goes for Portal, at it's core it's a single player game.

One of the main reasons a lot of games have been doing multi player tie-in's is because this way pirates generally can't enjoy the whole game. The downside of this is that certain powers wouldn't work in multiplayer- ie: Adrenaline rush. You can't effectively slow down time for 1 player.

[breakdown71289]

Well i certainly wouldn't mind multiplayer if it was done right. That said however, there is always the possibility that the team may put more energy into one or the other, and i know the majority here wouldn't want that going into multiplayer if it would detract from the single player experience. I just hope that both are being taken care of on the same level, that way there's far fewer complaints in the long run.....and from BSN lol.

Modifié par breakdown71289, 15 août 2011 - 05:51 .

[Arppis]

MysteryNotes wrote...

Whats the big deal about multiplayer?

There WILL still be a single player mode, right?

Nobody's forcing you to play MP.

Now if they made ME3 require multiplayer to complete, then that would be a valid reason for whining.

People are worried that MP will take strength away from singleplayer experience. And they got reason to be worried, just look at Halo 2, singleplayer sucked, but multiplayer was great. Because every weapon was balanced in MP-terms and your health system was remade so Multiplayer experience would be smoother, etc...

I hope it's a co-op. Thou I doubt it.

Modifié par Arppis, 15 août 2011 - 05:53 .

[AtreiyaN7]

In Exile wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Yeah, I wouldn't call it "righteous rage," personally. I'd describe any violent reactions to multi-player (if it's even in) as "completely irrational anger over a feature that has nothing to do with the single-player game at all."

I was being sarcastic. Doesn't really carry over in text, though. . 

Hehe, good to know you're sane then. There will be people who react like that, though, if multi is actually in the game (might as well get warmed up on snarking at them). I've chatted with a friend who's really opposed to the idea of multi at all and will, apparently, boycott the game if the game has multi-player. Some people seem to have this rrational belief that it's going to destroy their single-player experience or detract from it.

[Dragoonlordz]

In Exile wrote...

There will totally be day 1 DLC... but that goes right back to my "meh, it's a game" position.

Personally, I support DLC as a way for game companies to up revenues. An RPG genre would be a lot more viable as a AAA title with 100$ games than the current prices. 

RPGs cost same amount as every other game. Price has absolute without doubt nothing to do with issue. The issue is if have content which could of been in game at time of release, it should be in game. DLC should only be available a while (after x amount of time) retail comes out because it is a charge for extra effort put in to make after release and not something that was made prior. To support DLC that could of been in game and was ready at time of retail to actually be in game but not in retail instead held back or cut out of title is (to me) a borderline disgusting stance.

So there better not be a day one DLC given they wasted all this time installing a gimmick into the game instead of actual story expansion, quests or more places to explore and I'm by far not alone in thinking that way. Then again people are so easy to strip mine their wallets especically some BSN users that it could happen.

DLC when free like TW2 is amazingly nice thing to do ~but I am quite willing to buy DLC on one provision and that is only if it was not created prior to game release and they put in extra effort to create it after the original title had gone to retail.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 août 2011 - 06:01 .

[Vyse_Fina]

Chris Priestly wrote...

One might also think for an annoucnement of this magnitude, we might send Casey to Cologne to make it instead of him staying here in Edmonton to work on the game.
[...]

I heard they are sending you for the really big announcements instead of Casey

Anyway, being German I can at least translate some things properly I guess.

This site http://www.gamona.de...ws,1969965.html mentions the list with "ME 3 Multiplayer" on it and appearently believes this is strong enough evidence to call it "official" now. Apart from the list there is no solid info though. (I doubt they'd post this for fun though.  When stuff like this comes up 1 day before the event it's true most of the time. At least that's how it been with leaks before previous big events)

on www.gamefront.de there is an entry saying:

Electronic Arts stellt gamescom Lineup vor / Live Stream der Pressekonferenz (EA announces GamesCom Lineup and Live Stream of the press conference)


Spielbar am Messestand in Halle 6, B070 (playable on the showfloor = for the public)

- Battlefield 3

- FIFA 12

- FIFA Manager 12

- Mass Effect 3

- Need for Speed The Run

- The Sims 3 Pets

- The Sims Social



Präsentation "hinter verschlossenen Türen", Business Lounge Halle 5.1, A010 (presentation behind closed doors)

- Battlefield 3

- Burnout Crash!

- Dragon Age Legends

- FIFA 12

- FIFA Manager

- Mass Effect 3

- Need for Speed The Run

- Need for Speed World

- SSX

- The Sims 3 Pets



gamescom Pressekonferenz  (local time of the press conference)

- 16.08.11, 16:00 Uhr



  * Das Briefing wird live im Internet auf Live-Event.EA.com übertragen. (the briefing can be seen live on the linked website)

No mentioning of multiplayer there but the behind closed doors thing is interesting imo.
(there is also another entry saying that EA will announce several new games during GC)



The German IGN site http://de.ign.com/ar...mit-mehr-Action
acutally quotes Chris saying that the demo shown at Gamescom will be the same as the one during comicon but with "more action" (I bet this is taken from the forums somewhere and I am translating it back now which can easily lead to missinterpretations. Better look for Chris' orginal statement if you are interested)
They also mention an event on Saurday at 2:00pm in the EA Community Lounge Theater with Mike Gamble and other BioWare-devs, but no details what it might be about.



And that's pretty much all I can find at the moment. So far evidence is shotty at best.

Modifié par Vyse_Fina, 15 août 2011 - 06:04 .

[shenlonzero]

well casey hudson already said on bioware tv that there are no current plans for multiplayer in ME3. And what exactly do you mean by "if multiplayer is done right"? for this type of game that means changing the wheel system, changing hot keys, changing how weapons and powers work to an extent. why cant a great single player experience stay a single player experience? you mean to tell me you're willing to taint the trilogy with a possible lack luster experience just cause you're bored with halo or killzone. meh. keep multiplay away from my trilogy. even as DLC, keep it away. sure...if you don't like it...don't by it. but then you're messing with the completionist in me. the trilogy was promised to be certain things, and multiplay was never one of them.

[SalsaDMA]

shenlonzero wrote...

well casey hudson already said on bioware tv that there are no current plans for multiplayer in ME3. And what exactly do you mean by "if multiplayer is done right"? for this type of game that means changing the wheel system, changing hot keys, changing how weapons and powers work to an extent. why cant a great single player experience stay a single player experience? you mean to tell me you're willing to taint the trilogy with a possible lack luster experience just cause you're bored with halo or killzone. meh. keep multiplay away from my trilogy. even as DLC, keep it away. sure...if you don't like it...don't by it. but then you're messing with the completionist in me. the trilogy was promised to be certain things, and multiplay was never one of them.

I'm just going to asume you never played Baldurs Gate?

[breakdown71289]

I highly doubt they'll put more effort into the multiplayer though since the last two games have been completely single-player oriented games. It would actually go against them to promote the multiplayer aspect much more heavily for a series of games that have relied on storytelling and great character development for the last couple of years lol.

[In Exile]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
RPGs cost same amount as every other game. Price has absolute without doubt nothing to do with issue.  

It has to do with ROI and dev costs. RPGs cost to develop. AAA cost a lot. And the games are sold for the same amount of $$ (less in real terms) as 10 years ago, when dev. costs were 1/10th. Games need new revenue streams, or they need to appeal to huge audiences for the same ROI. 

The issue is if have content which could of been in game at time of release, it should be in game. DLC should only be available a while (after x amount of time) retail comes out because it is a charge for extra effort put in to make after release and not something that was made prior. To support DLC that could of been in game and was ready at time of retail to actually be in game but not in retail instead held back or cut out of title is (to me) a borderline disgusting stance.

This is the same thing as the "separate team" multiplayer argument.

If there is a specific DLC budget (for DLC ROI) that was only greenlight because of DLC sales, made separate from the main game including post-certification (i.e. after going gold), I don't see the issue. 

The concept of "could have been in the game" isn't coherent. People say Overlord and Shadow Broker "could have been in the game."

So there better not be a day one DLC given they wasted all this time installing a gimmick into the game instead of actual story expansion, quests or more places to explore and I'm by far not alone in thinking that way. Then again people are so easy to strip mine their wallets especically some BSN users that it could happen.

There will be day 1 DLC. Guaranteed. At least project 10 dollar DLC, like Zaeed.

DLC when free like TW2 is amazingly nice thing to do ~but I am quite willing to buy DLC on one provision and that is only if it was not created prior to game release and they put in extra effort to create it after the original title had gone to retail.

TW2's DLC is a brilliant marketing move... but CD Projeckt is great at using the righteous anger for $$. 

[kidbd15]

I doubt there will be MP.

However, if there is, I'm game for it. I doubt BW would screw up on the single player aspect of the game, and if they add MP to it, whatever. The mechanics are already there, and it would be a fun little side thing to do after beating the game. Use your own Shepard or other human/asari/krogan/drell and battle others in a deathmatch? Sure, why not? I'd much rather have something like this than an MMORPG, where you practically have to invest so much time in to. So yea, if it's there... whatever.

[crimzontearz]

the whole "I would tell you the truth but you would not believe me" excuse is getting old....and somewhat insulting.

Ultimately it's a very binary situation. Either A: there is MP in ME3 and it will be revealed at Gamescon

or B: there is not.

If A is true then you, Chris (and all other staff), have most probably been told to keep your mouth shut until the reveal.

If B is true on the other hand you could have simply said sosince I seriously doubt Marketing and Branding would care about denying the existence of a feature that is actually non existant. Here comes into play the "I would say something but you would not believe me" which is utter bull****. First off if you said it (like "folks, confirmed no MP in ME3, the big announcement is something else entirealy) a LOT of people would believe you and bookmark your quote to slap on every subsequent thread on the matter thus making the mods work easier. And secondly you did not bother even attempting to say anything onthe matter aside for sybilline statements.....only one reason why you would not even attemptthat (aside to screw with us) and that is because saying anything would ruin the announcement.

Chris, keeping up that excuse is almost insulting at this point.

[Dionkey]

crimzontearz wrote...

the whole "I would tell you the truth but you would not believe me" excuse is getting old....and somewhat insulting.

Ultimately it's a very binary situation. Either A: there is MP in ME3 and it will be revealed at Gamescon

or B: there is not.

If A is true then you, Chris (and all other staff), have most probably been told to keep your mouth shut until the reveal.

If B is true on the other hand you could have simply said sosince I seriously doubt Marketing and Branding would care about denying the existence of a feature that is actually non existant. Here comes into play the "I would say something but you would not believe me" which is utter bull****. First off if you said it (like "folks, confirmed no MP in ME3, the big announcement is something else entirealy) a LOT of people would believe you and bookmark your quote to slap on every subsequent thread on the matter thus making the mods work easier. And secondly you did not bother even attempting to say anything onthe matter aside for sybilline statements.....only one reason why you would not even attemptthat (aside to screw with us) and that is because saying anything would ruin the announcement.

Chris, keeping up that excuse is almost insulting at this point.

I am pretty sure it is option A at this point and I am so disappointed. Why, oh why, did you have to include multiplayer? I don't get it. You guys had a good series running for you, yet 5-6 million fans are not enough. Why couldn't you have waited until a spin-off? Ugh, the constant denial and then them hiding the announcement for a suprise (like we want it in the first place) is a slap to the face.

[Erani]

Dragon Age Legends? LMAO

[Dionkey]

Erani wrote...

Dragon Age Legends? LMAO

I don't even know why they have that at a gaming convention. Speaking of terrible games; why do they have The Sims 3: Pets in public? Why would the people attending/watching their press conference be interested in The Sims 3: Pets over something like SSX? Marketing always blows my mind.

Modifié par Dionkey, 15 août 2011 - 06:15 .

[Chris Priestly]

Nonsense Crimson. Insulting you would be me saying something like "You are obviously too self enamoured to think that we will change years of corporate communication simply because you feel you are not being messaged correctly, you blue eared baboon."

I would never insult you like that. I just wouldn't.

Instead, we use the same response we have used for years and hope that fans understand.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 15 août 2011 - 06:21 .

[kidbd15]

I don't think the Chris, or any of the staff, have to tell us anything. They have press conferences for a reason, for these exact types of announcements. It's this community that gets its panties in a bunch when they hear rumors and can't wait for an official announcement. Chris, and practically every gaming company, already doesn't comment on rumors, so respect that.

1) If you don't want MP in the game and it's a make or break situation, solution: don't pre-order the game.

2) Fact of the matter is, MP is becoming a set standard for all games, and it helps create a profit for a company. Should we really fault BW for wanting to make more $$ to keep their business going?

3) If SP is so negatively affected by MP, then shame on BW, but do you really think they would do that for their final ME Shepard game? Shame on you for casting BW to the fire pits before even seeing what their MP is, if they have done it at all.

4) Whether this feature is in ME or not, should you really be up in arms over it? Really? If you feel that way, I suggest taking a walk outdoors, and just reflect on that. Look at yourself through someone elses eyes and see yourself getting upset over a videogame feature that you do not have to play. If I saw someone like that, I'd think "UN-F*CKING-BELIEVABLE."

Modifié par kidbd15, 15 août 2011 - 06:24 .

[Phaedon]

Lady Of Darkness wrote...

so times a very different question to the community is, you do not do well, we inform you that even if we only had Recite German products because we have the German news you would only find out later :-), since it does not matter to us, we what could you ignore tips in simple matters, but it belongs to the community well for me as for me the best Bioware games is the world, we have just posted about the Germans in the whole network is making the rounds together with news that is not coming of us, can you tell us the faith, I like all social Bioware forum Community smilie<3

Here's a tip, you don't inform us, you misinform us.

You literally take advantage of the majority of the community which doesn't know German by selectively "informing" us.

And by you, I mean no more than two posters here. I know many other german posters on BSN who wouldn't do this.

can you tell us the faith

If by that you request trust, no, you won't have it.

I'll trust german gaming media as much as I do any other type of media. And if you ask for personal trust, this is especially what I won't be giving to anyone who has attempted to misinform me.