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TheZyzyva wrote...

 Just read all 20 pages of this... I think I earned the right to comment on it, yes?

@Clonedzero, You argue that SP and MP developement get seperate budgets and therefore do not effect one another. While I am sure that they do in fact have seperate budgets, to argue that they have no impact on one another is naive. Nothing exists in a vacum, everything has at least a potential impact on everything else. And again, while I'm sure that they recieved additional money for a MP, you can bet that it wasn't a flat addition of "MP money". That's just not how business works. There are diminshing returns on all investments. And for a game that already had a staggering production cost, assuming EA just handed BW enough money to make a fully capable MP function is hopefully naive again. I would almost gurantee you that money would have to be pulled from a SP experience to justify that kind of expenditure. That is just the business model at work. IE: A 3mil SP + a 2mil MP =/= 5mil game, most likely it's going to be less than the sum. Of course the rules are not absolute and I don't presume to "know" just how EA and BW would opperate, but since my personal oppionion on EA is quite low for doing anything other than lining their pockets with money I would assume that this is what they would do.

Also, you cannot "prove" that MP has detracted from SP anywhere, because the product made without the MP does not exist. We will never know what RE5 could have been if the MP wasn't so forced in there. The thought that is frustrating is playing a SP game that I love, seeing the flaws, and wondering if they would have gotten more attention if not for the MP. Even if the flaw was still there without MP, I wouldn't feel the same way about it because the mindset of paying for something that I do not want would not be there. Just the thought that MP detracted from the SP would be enough to lower my statisfaction. THAT is my biggest problem with it.

@everyone else, stop baiting, stop crying, start making articulate arguments.

well obviously they effect each other, the question is if its a negative effect or not. which rarely happens. theres no need to worry too much about it. ME3's single player will be high quality and AAA title worthy, i have no doubts about that. will it have flaws? absolutely. ive been a gamer pretty much my entire life and ive still never seen a perfect game.

its not so much "could this area in SP been better if there was no MP" its more of "could this area of SP been better if they didnt spend so much time over-polishing this area of SP".

like with ME1 , could the explorable planets had better more varied terrian if they didnt spend so much time making a clunky inventory and loot system?. in ME2 could the level design been more open and allowed for exploration if they cut some of the N7 side missions?

ME3 will have its own issues, they wont be because of MP, they'll be because every game has issues. its unavoidable.

its just more accurate to blame faults of the SP on the SP team for not working on those areas and spending too much time on others. unless they're understaffed, which they arent.  multiplayer has become the scapegoat of singleplayer campaigns.

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Could be. But I have confidence in BW, and more importantly, repsect for them. EA has neither from me, so I will assume, rightly or wrongly, that EA is the one at fault. They are BW's boss after all.


In other words, blame the publisher and not the one who actually makes the games? No offense, but that's not very good logic.

Bioware thought about MP in Mass Effect before EA owned them.

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spikoro5698 wrote...

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I hope that if MP is confirmed, we get a horde mode or something.


troll, we all know the only reason you typed that was to get a reaction, that or your a COD noob who thinks multiplayer and co-op are the greatest inventions to ever come to gaming...

*sigh*

Some people on these forums just aren't that smart...


So saying something you don't like makes me a troll? That's stupid.

COD noob? Nevermind, you just lost all credibility for anything.

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Multiplayer has been done in successful RPGs before.

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spikoro5698 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I hope that if MP is confirmed, we get a horde mode or something.


troll, we all know the only reason you typed that was to get a reaction, that or your a COD noob who thinks multiplayer and co-op are the greatest inventions to ever come to gaming...

*sigh*

Some people on these forums just aren't that smart...

"CoD noob"? hmm, ok buddy. be alittle more ignorant.
also, horde mode is a gears of war thing, not CoD...

and yes, multiplayer and co-op has been probably one of the biggest things pushing video games forward. without them video gaming would be a MUCH smaller industry and you wouldnt have games like mass effect at all.

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Hey guys, sorry I'm late. What's going on in this thread?

/giggles
/runs



SRSLY: If there is MP, SP can still kick ass. For example, Half Life 2 or the great Elite Forces games back in the day. If there is MP, SP can suck ass. For example, Call of Juarez. The deciding factor is the game designer. In this case, BioWare. So relax. ME3 is going to kick ass.

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Clonedzero wrote...
ive been a gamer pretty much my entire life and ive still never seen a perfect game.

You have never played Star Wars:Republic Commando.

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

spikoro5698 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I hope that if MP is confirmed, we get a horde mode or something.


troll, we all know the only reason you typed that was to get a reaction, that or your a COD noob who thinks multiplayer and co-op are the greatest inventions to ever come to gaming...

*sigh*

Some people on these forums just aren't that smart...


So saying something you don't like makes me a troll? That's stupid.

COD noob? Nevermind, you just lost all credibility for anything.


LOL "something I dont like?" Please NO BODY likes that man and if you read this forum you would see that, every single poll asking Multiplayer or no multiplayer has had a HUGE majority going for no its become obvious that your TROLLING And i lost credibility? Coming from the guy thats obsessed with multiplayer and wants it to be in ME3... you lost all credibility on your first post my friend... :devil:

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 It would be nice to have multiplayer. Then teammates would actually be usefull

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Digifi wrote...

@TheZ: That was a reasonable and thoughtful post...I am suspicious ;)

I'll throw it out there that I'm not a fan of adding MP but I won't be bent if it is horde or co-op outside of campaign. What would worry me is any sort of versus modes or during campaign co-op. Mostly this is due to a feeling on my part that the SP powers aren't very balanced for versus and the difficulty increase necessary for two humans in a campaign level might not come off too well unless there was a lot of mob tweaking. I'm thinking of powers like AR where time dilation across multiple clients would be nightmarish.


Haha, thanks, I have a tendency to make sense, it's really a problem here on the internet.

I'll say that I'm not against a ME multiplayer game, I just think that shoe-horning in MP to ME3 would hurt the overall package. Also, think about this, if the MP in ME3 was not well received, do you think that another MP ME game would ever see the light of day? I know it's getting cliche to say "in this economy" but really, how many things get second chances in this economy? It could kill off a potentially awesome future game before it had a chance to really shine.

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Clonedzero wrote...

spikoro5698 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I hope that if MP is confirmed, we get a horde mode or something.


troll, we all know the only reason you typed that was to get a reaction, that or your a COD noob who thinks multiplayer and co-op are the greatest inventions to ever come to gaming...

*sigh*

Some people on these forums just aren't that smart...

"CoD noob"? hmm, ok buddy. be alittle more ignorant.
also, horde mode is a gears of war thing, not CoD...

and yes, multiplayer and co-op has been probably one of the biggest things pushing video games forward. without them video gaming would be a MUCH smaller industry and you wouldnt have games like mass effect at all.


How?

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and yes, multiplayer and co-op has been probably one of the biggest things pushing video games forward. without them video gaming would be a MUCH smaller industry and you wouldnt have games like mass effect at all.


Ofcourse you would, the games industry would be around same size as is now only difference would be types of games people would be playing. Those playing CoD or any other game would probably be playing something else thats all.  Probably single player Doom XII or something maybe Wolfenstein 5 or Hexen: The Return Part 10. Replacing the focus from e-peen ego gained from beating your friends via in game matches to more focus on offline ego boosting stuff such as more trophies, more achievements etc.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 août 2011 - 11:12 .


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Oh no…More single player>multiplayer and vice versa comments.

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Clonedzero wrote...

spikoro5698 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I hope that if MP is confirmed, we get a horde mode or something.


troll, we all know the only reason you typed that was to get a reaction, that or your a COD noob who thinks multiplayer and co-op are the greatest inventions to ever come to gaming...

*sigh*

Some people on these forums just aren't that smart...

"CoD noob"? hmm, ok buddy. be alittle more ignorant.
also, horde mode is a gears of war thing, not CoD...

and yes, multiplayer and co-op has been probably one of the biggest things pushing video games forward. without them video gaming would be a MUCH smaller industry and you wouldnt have games like mass effect at all.


I know horde is a gears of war only feature but Zombies, firefight, horde, come on its not that hard.... And using YOUR logic basically saying "Without MULTIPLAYER, SINGLE-PLAYER ONLY games like mass effect would not exist..." LOL im sorry but that makes NO sense there "buddy" And multiplayer is holding games BACK from being great stand alone single player only adventures like they used to be. Just a guess but are you new to gaming? :P

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I ****ing knew it!

Could be another false alarm but this time it seems legit.

Everyone said I was crazy but who got it? THIS GUY!

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LOL "something I dont like?" Please NO BODY likes that man and if you read this forum you would see that, every single poll asking Multiplayer or no multiplayer has had a HUGE majority going for no its become obvious that your TROLLING And i lost credibility? Coming from the guy thats obsessed with multiplayer and wants it to be in ME3... you lost all credibility on your first post my friend... :devil:


A poll and/or thread on this website does not represent the entire Mass Effect fan base. 

Let me guess: you're around 13 years old, right?

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ThePwener wrote...

I ****ing knew it!

Could be another false alarm but this time it seems legit.

Everyone said I was crazy but who got it? THIS GUY!


Your still crazy even if turns out was right.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

and yes, multiplayer and co-op has been probably one of the biggest things pushing video games forward. without them video gaming would be a MUCH smaller industry and you wouldnt have games like mass effect at all.


Ofcourse you would, the games industry would be around same size as is now only difference would be types of games people would be playing. Those playing CoD or any other game would probably be playing something else thats all.

no, not really. the thing thats making video games more mainstream and allowing the industry to get bigger, has always been the social aspect of playing with friends. if you cant play with friends its a anti-social hobby that gets less widely accepted as a whole.

you have to give Halo alot of credit for this. it became a HUGE game for people to play in dorms on college campuses accross the world. everyone would get involved int he games, people would have parties just sorta form around them as they were playing halo. i know cus ive been there.

there was a time, me and a couple friends were just playing halo with the door open, people walk by go "oh dude, you're playing halo, lemme have a go" people kept cycling in, after awhile there was like 40 people hanging out, people went on booze runs. it was a blast. could that have happened with a single player game? absolutely not.

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ThePwener wrote...

Everyone said I was crazy but who has two thumbs and got it? THIS GUY!



Fixed.

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Just curious: How WOULD the co-op multiplayer work in a RPG (ME or otherwise)? I thought these games were about choices, which would be problematic with multiple real life gamers, right? Is one gamer just designated as 'full-time quaterback' to make all the decisions/dialogue choices?

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

TheZyzyva wrote...

Could be. But I have confidence in BW, and more importantly, repsect for them. EA has neither from me, so I will assume, rightly or wrongly, that EA is the one at fault. They are BW's boss after all.


In other words, blame the publisher and not the one who actually makes the games? No offense, but that's not very good logic.

Bioware thought about MP in Mass Effect before EA owned them.


What's wrong with blaming the people who have the final say? If EA says a BW game has to be a certain way or else they won't publish it, then guess what, BW has to make it that way. To me, that logic is just fine. Also, BW thought about MP, then thought that it wouldn't work. Only now is it an issue, now that EA is involved. 

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

I ****ing knew it!

Could be another false alarm but this time it seems legit.

Everyone said I was crazy but who got it? THIS GUY!


Your still crazy even if turns out was right.


I was still the first one to openly promote ME3 MP so I win  Image IPB

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

spikoro5698 wrote...

LOL "something I dont like?" Please NO BODY likes that man and if you read this forum you would see that, every single poll asking Multiplayer or no multiplayer has had a HUGE majority going for no its become obvious that your TROLLING And i lost credibility? Coming from the guy thats obsessed with multiplayer and wants it to be in ME3... you lost all credibility on your first post my friend... :devil:


A poll and/or thread on this website does not represent the entire Mass Effect fan base. 

Let me guess: you're around 13 years old, right?


It gives you a good idea. And i think that me and you both know that the majority of mass effect fans dont want multilayer its simply uncalled for and you know it...

AND thats funny in my last post i was going to call you a 12 year old COD playing fraghead and litter it with profanity but i didn't want to be THAT immature and go THAT low... guess you beat me to it! you really are a troll! LMAO your posts are getting weaker and weaker my friend. :lol:

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Just curious: How WOULD the co-op multiplayer work in a RPG (ME or otherwise)? I thought these games were about choices, which would be problematic with multiple real life gamers, right? Is one gamer just designated as 'full-time quaterback' to make all the decisions/dialogue choices?


I don't think it will be like that. I'm thinking it will have multiplayer modes like a Horde mode or Deathmatch or something.

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spikoro5698 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

spikoro5698 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I hope that if MP is confirmed, we get a horde mode or something.


troll, we all know the only reason you typed that was to get a reaction, that or your a COD noob who thinks multiplayer and co-op are the greatest inventions to ever come to gaming...

*sigh*

Some people on these forums just aren't that smart...

"CoD noob"? hmm, ok buddy. be alittle more ignorant.
also, horde mode is a gears of war thing, not CoD...

and yes, multiplayer and co-op has been probably one of the biggest things pushing video games forward. without them video gaming would be a MUCH smaller industry and you wouldnt have games like mass effect at all.


I know horde is a gears of war only feature but Zombies, firefight, horde, come on its not that hard.... And using YOUR logic basically saying "Without MULTIPLAYER, SINGLE-PLAYER ONLY games like mass effect would not exist..." LOL im sorry but that makes NO sense there "buddy" And multiplayer is holding games BACK from being great stand alone single player only adventures like they used to be. Just a guess but are you new to gaming? :P

multiplayer is the thing driving the industry to higher numbers. the games that make people go out and buy consoles are the big name multiplayer ones, like the call of duties, and halos. single player games are also thriving because people want games to play on their own after they bought the console for the multiplayer games.

without multiplayer, significantly less console sales. without console sales, less single player game sales, less sales means less budget, less budget means less games. less games means less innovation. meaning stagnation.

not really a hard concept to grasp.
multiplayer isnt holding anyone back, gaming is bigger than it has ever been before. games on average are higher quality than ever before. its a fantastic time to be a gamer.