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Bioware has said countless times they do not intend to give ME3 multiplayer. In a spin-off to the series maybe, but they have already confirmed awhile back that they have no intentions for multiplayer.

Sorry, guys, hate to burst the bubble XD


and yet several staff members refuse to deny the MP existence.....just saying

It's already been denied. Not that I care if multiplayer is in ME3 or not.


it is not beein directly denied. It was said they "tried to add MP but never fit in" that does not mean that "they did not find a way to fit it in now"

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I have common sense and its common knowledge how long they have been working on ME3, pretty much the same as for ME2 give or take a few months, a game in which had no multiplayer. If the game is a double disc and not a triple disc. Then how do you think the MP fits in? Most likely by cutting out, or not putting in other things that could have been there for the sake of putting in the multiplayer. In this day and age its stupid to expect companies to go above and beyond. All they care about is the bottom line. I should expect it to be better than ME2 when its been made in the same timeframe PLUS adding on multiplayer? Thats just not going to happen....and history has shown the same. There is PRECIOUS few games that exist on the 360 that feature multiplayer as well as stay true to the single player. Because you can maybe name 4-5 games that do doesnt prove a point either.


I said that it was probably planned for IF fhey have included it. Who says that it means that they spent less or cut out content from the single-player game? I'm sure bad things have happened in other games, but it does not necessarily indicate that that is what's happening here. I think BW would be shooting themselves in the foot if they gave short shrift to the main single-player campaign.

Addressing the disc issue: I think the number of discs is likely irrelevant since you probably can manage to fit the necessary information on two discs, OR they might even add a third disc if necessary. I'm pretty sure that such things are subject to change until such time as the gane goes gold and/or the packaging is finalized. I don't know the logistics of how it would work out on a console (I have a PC), but I'm sure that it's also possible that some of this multi-player stuff could be downloadable. I know that in SC2 all these newer official multi-player Blizzard mods that have come out since the game was released have, in fact, been downloadable and were not included on the main discs (I know that Left 2 Die wasn't original to the game - I just started playing it recently with a friend).

The only thing that I think is stupid is seeing people endlessly jumping to irrational conclusions. And yes, citing examples of other games that show that you can have solid single-player and multi-player gameplay in a single game IS proof that it is possible whether you like it or not. At this point, I almost hope the multi-player rumor is true even though I have no strong feelings about it, mostly so that the people whining about it for 20-something pages will have to deal with the multi-player incursion into their most holy single-player experience. *snark*

A few efinitions of proof (from Merrian-Webster):

1 a: the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
b: the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
2 obsolete : experience
3: something that induces certainty or establishes validity
4 archaic : the quality or state of having been tested or tried; especially : unyielding hardness
5: evidence operating to determine the finding or judgment of a tribunal




No they wouldnt be shooting themselves if they did that. This is the final game, do you really think there will be many people who decide not to purchase it because of the MP? If so, that number will easily be made up by the people who will then go out and buy it BECAUSE it has a multiplayer.

How do you figure space issues are irrelevant? I imagine a real multiplayer component would likely take a good portion of a disc. I recall in ME2 people discussing things that could not fit such as character confrontations. I dont expect there to be MORE than ME2 if they have LESS to work with, thats why I hope its a three disc set. Besides, How many story missions did ME2 feature? Not that many of them and none were that long...If the entire Reaper threat is taken care of in that same amount of missions...Bioware is good but I dont think they are miracle workers.

Citing a handfull games out of 100 is proof it can be done? Sure anything can be done, but it sure shows which way the wind is blowing. Im not going to sit here and expect a great single player experience when %90 of the games out there that feature both MP and SP ALWAYS come up short on the SP. With numbers like that, where games that feature multiplayer and also great single player are just about next to non existent or limited to "maybe one a year". Its definatly not a dumb idea to jump to a conclusion when its OBVIOUS that multiplayer impacts singleplayer negatively...I think its naive to try and act like it doesnt. Developers only try so hard...and at this point in time consumers have shown them that they dont need to try THAT hard.

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crimzontearz wrote...

jreezy wrote...

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Bioware has said countless times they do not intend to give ME3 multiplayer. In a spin-off to the series maybe, but they have already confirmed awhile back that they have no intentions for multiplayer.

Sorry, guys, hate to burst the bubble XD


and yet several staff members refuse to deny the MP existence.....just saying

It's already been denied. Not that I care if multiplayer is in ME3 or not.


it is not beein directly denied. It was said they "tried to add MP but never fit in" that does not mean that "they did not find a way to fit it in now"


If it's a late addition, it'll probably suck.

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RAF1940 wrote...

If it's a late addition, it'll probably suck.


Yeah, but the game was delayed for 6 months. Wonder why.....

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At first, I hated MP in my mass effect. But now, I don't care. Hell, I am kinda looking forward to it. We all know the single player is going to be awesome. And MP is kinda like the icing.

I just hope the single players length does not suffer. A dev at bioware said mass effect 2 takes about 20 hours to beat, it took me 62. And plus, who has only 1 shep these days, huh? I have...around 16 or 17. Not sure if I will play them all, but I will def play at least six of em (1 of each class).

So......yeah, kinda looking forward to the MP and details.

Don't flame me bro.

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I still want "Biotic Ninja"

honestly......

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ThePwener wrote...

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If it's a late addition, it'll probably suck.


Yeah, but the game was delayed for 6 months. Wonder why.....


I'm glad it was delayed (I can focus more on Skyrim), but I really, really, really hope this was not the reason.


Why do people even want ME3 multiplayer? What would actually be cool about it?

ME's strength is in its story. Not its gameplay. Multiplayer would be all about gameplay, which in ME isn't anything special.

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At first, I hated MP in my mass effect. But now, I don't care. Hell, I am kinda looking forward to it. We all know the single player is going to be awesome. And MP is kinda like the icing.

I just hope the single players length does not suffer. A dev at bioware said mass effect 2 takes about 20 hours to beat, it took me 62. And plus, who has only 1 shep these days, huh? I have...around 16 or 17. Not sure if I will play them all, but I will def play at least six of em (1 of each class).

So......yeah, kinda looking forward to the MP and details.

Don't flame me bro.


I have 1 shepard

and over 20 NG+ runs for him on each ME1 and ME2......

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If it's a late addition, it'll probably suck.


Yeah, but the game was delayed for 6 months. Wonder why.....

6 months? It was four the last time I checked.

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MarchWaltz wrote...

At first, I hated MP in my mass effect. But now, I don't care. Hell, I am kinda looking forward to it. We all know the single player is going to be awesome. And MP is kinda like the icing.

I just hope the single players length does not suffer. A dev at bioware said mass effect 2 takes about 20 hours to beat, it took me 62. And plus, who has only 1 shep these days, huh? I have...around 16 or 17. Not sure if I will play them all, but I will def play at least six of em (1 of each class).

So......yeah, kinda looking forward to the MP and details.

Don't flame me bro.


Actually, I heard that ME3 is using a new disc that houses double the memory of the one used for ME2.

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jreezy wrote...

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If it's a late addition, it'll probably suck.


Yeah, but the game was delayed for 6 months. Wonder why.....

6 months? It was four the last time I checked.


Wait, Im counting 6 as in the current date... o-kay, 4 from the official christmas date, alright.

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ThePwener wrote...

jreezy wrote...

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If it's a late addition, it'll probably suck.


Yeah, but the game was delayed for 6 months. Wonder why.....

6 months? It was four the last time I checked.


Wait, Im counting 6 as in the current date... o-kay, 4 from the official christmas date, alright.


I'm not too familiar with game development. Is 4 months enough to make an entirely new multiplayer system?

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Mass Effect has done just fine without multiplayer thus far, so...meh.

IF we're being completly honest, the sales ain't as hot as some of the competition. So I ain't really surprised EA's trying to increase them some way.

yeah. RPGs are doing really bad lately because they dont sell as well, and they tend to cost more and take longer to make.

also RPG fans tend to be the most ungrateful out of them all. "OMG YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE DIALOGUE CHOICE I WANTED!!!!!!!!" "omg you made the UI less cluttered and clunky? stop dumbing the game down!" ect.


This has to be one of the only times me and you agree with each other, RPG fans are pretty... well... pretty ****y and almost NEVER satisfied, all the hate that ME2 got because it wasn't as much of an RPG as ME1 (barley) was ridiculous and undeserved.


That's only because Shooter fans keep demanding RPG's become Shooters,  and claim that any game with a story that takes more than the back of the box must be an RPG.    So yeah,  you're going to end up with a pretty confrontational crowd when you keep releasing shooters and calling them "The future of RPGs!!!".

RPG fans are actually a pretty easy going lot when you're not trying to kill their genre,  case in point,  When Bioware used to make RPG's they also used to spend alot of time talking with the fans on the boards.

Eh? Expanding aka more is spent on gaming [all genres] than 3 year ago, 7 years ago or 10 years ago. I already stated earlier that population growth is part of reason as well as many other reason, your agreeing with me there... Never said they were better games I said expanding as in more sales across the board is spend on games now for all the reasons I list few pages back.


Um...what?  Pretty much every genre other than Shooter is dead,  almost no money goes into it.  Go look over E3's game lists,  it's 90%+ Shooters.  It was just two weeks ago Ubisoft was defending X-com by claiming Strategy is now a dead genre too.

It's already been denied. Not that I care if multiplayer is in ME3 or not.


No it hasn't.  They've never straight out said it won't be there,  they dodged the question every time.  In fact,  they're implied it's existance by "refusing to comment on rumors",  when they commented on rumors the day before,  and went to great lengths to defuse false rumors 2 months ago.

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Gatt9 wrote...

spikoro5698 wrote...

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Mass Effect has done just fine without multiplayer thus far, so...meh.

IF we're being completly honest, the sales ain't as hot as some of the competition. So I ain't really surprised EA's trying to increase them some way.

yeah. RPGs are doing really bad lately because they dont sell as well, and they tend to cost more and take longer to make.

also RPG fans tend to be the most ungrateful out of them all. "OMG YOU DIDNT INCLUDE THE DIALOGUE CHOICE I WANTED!!!!!!!!" "omg you made the UI less cluttered and clunky? stop dumbing the game down!" ect.


This has to be one of the only times me and you agree with each other, RPG fans are pretty... well... pretty ****y and almost NEVER satisfied, all the hate that ME2 got because it wasn't as much of an RPG as ME1 (barley) was ridiculous and undeserved.


That's only because Shooter fans keep demanding RPG's become Shooters,  and claim that any game with a story that takes more than the back of the box must be an RPG.    So yeah,  you're going to end up with a pretty confrontational crowd when you keep releasing shooters and calling them "The future of RPGs!!!".

RPG fans are actually a pretty easy going lot when you're not trying to kill their genre,  case in point,  When Bioware used to make RPG's they also used to spend alot of time talking with the fans on the boards.

Eh? Expanding aka more is spent on gaming [all genres] than 3 year ago, 7 years ago or 10 years ago. I already stated earlier that population growth is part of reason as well as many other reason, your agreeing with me there... Never said they were better games I said expanding as in more sales across the board is spend on games now for all the reasons I list few pages back.


Um...what?  Pretty much every genre other than Shooter is dead,  almost no money goes into it.  Go look over E3's game lists,  it's 90%+ Shooters.  It was just two weeks ago Ubisoft was defending X-com by claiming Strategy is now a dead genre too.

It's already been denied. Not that I care if multiplayer is in ME3 or not.


No it hasn't.  They've never straight out said it won't be there,  they dodged the question every time.  In fact,  they're implied it's existance by "refusing to comment on rumors",  when they commented on rumors the day before,  and went to great lengths to defuse false rumors 2 months ago.


RPGs... <3

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At first, I hated MP in my mass effect. But now, I don't care. Hell, I am kinda looking forward to it. We all know the single player is going to be awesome. And MP is kinda like the icing.

I just hope the single players length does not suffer. A dev at bioware said mass effect 2 takes about 20 hours to beat, it took me 62. And plus, who has only 1 shep these days, huh? I have...around 16 or 17. Not sure if I will play them all, but I will def play at least six of em (1 of each class).

So......yeah, kinda looking forward to the MP and details.

Don't flame me bro.


Actually, I heard that ME3 is using a new disc that houses double the memory of the one used for ME2.


Last time I checked ME2 was 12gb in size not including addons, so double = BluRay then at 25gb disc size.. :lol:

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If it's a late addition, it'll probably suck.


Yeah, but the game was delayed for 6 months. Wonder why.....

6 months? It was four the last time I checked.


Wait, Im counting 6 as in the current date... o-kay, 4 from the official christmas date, alright.


I'm not too familiar with game development. Is 4 months enough to make an entirely new multiplayer system?

From what I understand, Nope.

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jreezy wrote...

From what I understand, Nope.


Because everyone here is a video game dev. to make assumptions like those.

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From what I understand, Nope.


Because everyone here is a video game dev. to make assumptions like those.



even Xbox live arcade games take more then 4 months to develop........even those with big budget teams and already having an engine and assets

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jreezy wrote...

From what I understand, Nope.


Well, they could have had it planned a while back, but decided to push the release date back since they were not 100% done with it. I dont think they deleyd it to add MP, but delyed it beacuse it was not as polished or tight that bio wanted it to be. I don't know, we will find out tommorow if those germans were telling the truth.

I personally beleive they pushed it back to march so they can have a stylish [3]

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Um...what?  Pretty much every genre other than Shooter is dead,  almost no money goes into it.  Go look over E3's game lists,  it's 90%+ Shooters.  It was just two weeks ago Ubisoft was defending X-com by claiming Strategy is now a dead genre too.


Learn the difference between a specific product selling less and a genre selling less. Just because a developer (human spokesperson with all his own views and opinions) has an opinion that a genre is dying doesn't mean it is.

Ubisoft are in for a large shock if they think the new X-Com FPS title is going to sell huge amounts.

Go look at Gamescon 2011 list of titles, most are not FPS.

http://my.mmosite.co...9d7ff09c68.html

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DA3 is rumored for the same thing and it could happen mass effect usually has you with a group of 3 so a second player could play as one of the companions same for dragon age ..... or are we talking multiplayer online if so no a game like mass effect is not really online material nor is dragon age not in my eyes anyway

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That is not true, what so ever. If that was the case you would see all genres growing and expanding. Instead of this "all games being multiplayer focused shooters" nonsense that is going on. Its destroying all the other genres for the sake of developers ONLY wanting to focus where the MAIN money makers are at for minnimum work required COD players have already shown they are willing to pay more and more for the same game once a year with no real improvements . Instead of focusing on where ALL the money makes are at. Single player RPGs still make money...problem is who is going to want to make one when the gamers have shown you can make some generic garbadge shooter and it will be eaten up?


All genres are expanding, Kotor sales are less than DAO or ME, Fallout 2 less than 3 etc. It's always expanding just like FPS titles sell more now than in past but it's all genres not one. I spend like most people [x] amount of money on FPS and [x] with RPG or with Action or any other genre, while one developer might get more of their products bought then say one other in a vs contest make no mistake I spend a lot more on other genres than FPS alone. The same applies for most people, multiplayer isn't the reason why the industry is getting bigger at all. The FPS genre as example merely benefits from the same increase in spending on games as every other genre.

 
The sales are better because the population is growing and overall gaming is now much more mainstream than it used to be. They may be selling better but to say they are improving or "exanding" is an opinion, one I do not share. Tradional RPGs are pretty much dying for the sake of trying to make them more like games the COD GOW crowd would enjoy.  Look at DA2, christ.


Dragon Age 2 is a prime demonstration the RPG fanbase is less a vocal minority than people attempt to insinuate. The series was originally hailed the spiritual successor to Balder's Gate, the game that essentially made BioWare relevant as a viable company in this industry. Long time fans were elated with the opportunity to see what could arise with current generation technically, which had not be available in the past. DAO, while not perfect, delivered on this promised and speculation arose immediately where the series could progress from there. DA2 was a proverbial slap across the face for many, as it streamlined everything down in hopes of appealing to a different audience, all while simultaneously maintaining the fanbase the series garnered despite being based upon a promise no longer true.

Put bluntly BioWare, or rather the DA team, was arrogant and it blew up in their face. DA2 is actually a fairly good game. The dialogue, general writing and overall concept is solid but its many faults and blatant change of direction will forever leave it to mire in mediocrity. I would be willing to wager had they changed the title, DA2 would have sold better and better still. Likewise if a game that followed DAO had been released, albeit with improvements in lieu of a complete overhaul, it too would sell with similar figures.

tl;dr: Dragon Age 2's failure was due to arrogance and an unnecessary change in development of the series not because it could not emulate simplicity akin to Call of Duty or God of War.

Do you wish to know why I firmly believe multiplayer would continue EA's dubious track record? BioWare has never attempted a multiplayer with this degree of significance; and no Balder's Gate is not even remotely comparable. They have not only to climb that hurl, it must be done whilst rebalancing the entire ME series to adhere to death match style of gameplay and then must convince people it is worth giving up hours on the big time players. Tell me, why should I play a shoehorned multiplayer BioWare threw in when I can load up Gears of War 3 and play the exact same game except this one was designed to accommodate the feature from the onset? We all know Mass Effect is bloody close to becoming Gears with magic after all.

See the fundamental qualm, and BioWare's undoing, is FPS fans dislike dialogue. It remains the most frequent complaint about RPGs, in that the characters drone on for hours when they simply want to play the game. In contrast, RPG fans love this and coincidently find games have devolved into shooting stuff solves everything. Plenty fall into the middle, myself among them, however they are few and far in between.

I am not claiming BioWare is incapable of developing an intriguing and entertaining multiplayer, one I and many could become addicted to; quite the contrary, I would love to see what they can produce, when, and only when, they do it under a proper development cycle, not six months late or in the midst of a trilogy.

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From what I understand, Nope.


Because everyone here is a video game dev. to make assumptions like those.

Uh no. But since I've studied the process of game development in and outside of my Game Design degree I've heard it's not as easy implementing multiplayer as some people think it is.

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doubtful. Why publicize HERE on the forum where only the super hardcore fans come to discuss things?


You think these rumors are contained to just BSN? There are numerous websites and forums discussing the prospect of multiplayer. Even if there isn't multiplayer, letting websites speculate based on rumors creates a buzz surrounding the game.

Bluntly stating that there isn't multiplayer, while calming down the "hardcore fans," would also cut back on their publicity.

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doubtful. Why publicize HERE on the forum where only the super hardcore fans come to discuss things?


You think these rumors are contained to just BSN? There are numerous websites and forums discussing the prospect of multiplayer. Even if there isn't multiplayer, letting websites speculate based on rumors creates a buzz surrounding the game.

Bluntly stating that there isn't multiplayer, while calming down the "hardcore fans," would also cut back on their publicity.


perhaps...but there would still be an "announcement" to hype up unless it's another BS announcement like Dragon Age Legends