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[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

People need to understand that multiplayer can be added without affecting single player. If the single player experience is finished and good, you can add multiplayer features and the single player experience will be the same. I'm seeing alot of "everything spent on multiplayer is money that could've been spent on single player" well you are seeing it the wrong way.

Its not money is being put into multiplayer instead of single player, its just BioWare is spending more money. I have no idea how much it is to make a game but for example, instead of BioWare spending 2 million on the game, their spending 3 million.

So what you're saying is that games like Call of Duty have complex and intricately crafted single player campaigns?  They have a wealth of content that does not require an additional subscription fee for career tracking?  They do not rely on the multiplayer component to market the game?

Of course multiplayer can be added without affecting single player.  However, there is a correlation between more multiplayer and less single player content once a game franchise starts to insert multiplayer into a game.  I don't believe multiplayer will be in ME3, so I don't think we need to worry either way.

*sigh*

 Sometimes I question the intelligence of people on these forums. Do not, EVER compare ME3 to Call of Duty. Tell me where I said anything about CoD my friend. ME3s main focus will be single player. If multiplayer is added.. It'll be like AC Brotherhood. Call of Duty games focus on multiplayer becuz they're mp games. Have u ever heard someone say "I cant wait for the new CoD to finish the campaign story!" CoD is made for multiplayer. The campaign is just a little add on. As will be the mp for ME3, inverse the rolls of mp and sp. ME3s campaign will be the focus and the mp will be extra. Perfect example is Assassins Creed Brotherhood.

[Funkcase]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Considering that I doubt that Mass Effect's combat system will work effectively in multiplayer...

Because Gears of War with biotics wouldn't work?

If it's just co-op it would work. But if it's like team deathmatch it wouldn't. How annoying would it be getting put in stasis, or someone using pull against you, or how over powered people who have singualirity would be.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Clonedzero wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...
You don't get do you.
Singleplayer will be alot shorter because of MP. The time creating MP could be spent on making SP even better.
Mass Effect trilogy doesn't need multiplayer.

Not if they have a different team then time won't be wasted

Do you honestly think Mass Effect 3 has enough development time to create a multiplayer that was never in any previous games? I don't think year and half is.

multiple development teams. its not really a hard solution.
so we got all the dudes working on the story, the characters, the writing, the missions, the side missions, ect.
then they hire another team to create the multiplayer. having no effect on the single player developers work.

It does not work that way, mate. They will have to balance the mechanics, determine which are viable for a multiplayer setting and abandon or retool those that are not. The present class structure would be completely unfeasible for such an endeavor due to everything adhering to the single player mentality. For instance, Tactical Cloak would render the Infiltrator the overwhelmingly superior class. You can turn invisible every six seconds and snipe from miles away. Likewise, the Charge is equally unbalanced, as once activated, it ignores damage, powers, everything and staggers an opponent upon contact while they are in shotgun range. You can say go bye to Adrenaline Rush since a time dilation cannot happen in live action.

These all would have to be remedied in a multiplayer, presuming the classes are incorporated and we are not merely playing as Anderson/Grey Shirts. I cannot for the life of me imagine BioWare would develop two completely different mechanics just so they can pray to the gods Call of Duty fans try it. In the event they actually did then we know content to the single player was sacrificed for disc space.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Because Gears of War with biotics wouldn't work?

Not if every single power homes in automatically on every enemy.

Then people would camp like little beetches in corners as power casters and just spam Warp and Incinerate. 

I'm sure balancing will be in order.

[Someone With Mass]

Jorina Leto wrote...
Wouldn't be the first time Bioware "changes" combat.

*cough* *cough* Mass Effect 2 *cough* *cough* Dragon Age II *cough* *cough*

I think ME2 was a major improvement over ME1's combat (which was the snore-fest of the century once you got Colossus armor and Spectre weapons) and I like that ME3 is following that route.

[In Exile]

littlezack wrote...
That's really not how it works, but I can see you've got kind of one track mind on this.

It's more like this: an SP-only fan will want all labour and investment on SP, because the SP fan doesn't want to subsidze MP. Just like how the RPG only fan doesn't want to subsidize shooter gameplay, or the anti-exploration guy doesn't want to subsidize a new Mako...


... it's all the same kind of complaint. Just different window dressing. "I don't like it! They should spend money on what *I* like." 

Now, I think this is a completely legitimate complaint. But the reality is that it will always apply to development. 

[Jussylein]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Lady Of Darkness wrote...

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

Lady Of Darkness wrote...
Yes this is True, The Time is Over, MP is Fact, The Wall is Broken :-) all Germany Printers Reading Mass Effect have Multiplayer se Press Information, The Native Speaker waiting to Gamescom! ^^

Do you work for these magazines/websites? It seems like you are trying to generate more views, similarly to the Xbox 360 World Magazine article...

No i work for not the Websites and magazine:lol:, hmm cant Native Speaker German? I Germany Girl ^^

here The List from The Games from Press Release

*snip*

Why is Mass Effect the only one that describes what mode will be shown? Everything else is just game title and publisher. I'm onto you....

hmm thats is a really God Question??, i have a no Idea. thats really Mysterious Thank you:)

[Dragoonlordz]

xXljoshlXx wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
It obviously was not "easy" as you state after my quote because you did infact edit one of my sentences and changed it while at same time claiming I wrote it.

That statement was copied exactly  from page all i did was bold,underline and italics from page Four if you don't believe look for youself

I responded about what you did earlier. Doesn't take a genius to work that one out.

Originally I said:

Dragoonlordz wrote...
should be spent adding/improving exploration, quests and prolonging the story and not on talking to yourself via a peice of plastic on top TV or some silly multiplayer

What you claimed I said:

Dragoonlordz wrote...
and not on talking to yourself via a piece of interesting technology that could add immersion in the game or some pontentially execellent multiplayer

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 août 2011 - 04:07 .

[LilyasAvalon]

@Lady Of Darkness: ...So let me get this straight, you don't work for Gamescon or any magazine or gaming company but you're German, so we should trust you and the site that looks as dodgy as XBOX uk magazine?

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 15 août 2011 - 04:09 .

[Savber100]

culletron1 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

People need to understand that multiplayer can be added without affecting single player. If the single player experience is finished and good, you can add multiplayer features and the single player experience will be the same. I'm seeing alot of "everything spent on multiplayer is money that could've been spent on single player" well you are seeing it the wrong way.

Its not money is being put into multiplayer instead of single player, its just BioWare is spending more money. I have no idea how much it is to make a game but for example, instead of BioWare spending 2 million on the game, their spending 3 million.

If the budget is increased they could have used the increased budget on single player

Instead of spening 2 million on single player and 1 million on multi player they could have just spent 3 million on single player.

The more likely scenario is that they planned to spend 2 millions  on single player for the start, because 2 million was enough to do all that they needed to do. Adding an extra million onto that won't change a thing.

If bioware can use $2million produce a flawless single player experience on PC, Xbox and PS3 and all reviewers and fans give it 10 out of 10 then you would be right.

However in the real world no software product is perfect.

For instance ME2 was not perfect and if they got extra budget to develop it they could have used it to

* add more exploration
* add more cutomization for the companions
* have something more interesting than the crappy loading screens
* have something more interesting than the mining mini game
* add layer of the shadow broker as part of the main game
* add overlord as part of the main game
* add a whole host of new weapons
* add high res textures for PC
* add DX11 support

or

they could have added a multplayer

There IS a trade off

If EA/Bioware had planned a MP mode from the start of developing ME3, EA would have invested MORE money as a result rather than just detracting from the original budget of a single-player only ME3. (I hope that makes sense)

The devs on the SP remains while ANOTHER team will create the mp mode with the extra money given from EA.

Basically, 

No MP = No Bigger Budget

While

Having a MP= EA will invest thousands more dollars into the ME3 project to apply this feature. 

I seriously doubt EA would come up to the ME team and give them the exact same budget that they got for ME2 while asking for a big game feature like MP. 

So I doubt having MP would have the type of trade-off that you're talking about.  

Come on.. MP didn't ruin Dead Space 2 or Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood... why would it ruin anything in ME3? 

Modifié par Savber100, 15 août 2011 - 04:13 .

[Naltair]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Considering that I doubt that Mass Effect's combat system will work effectively in multiplayer...yeah, it's just a complete waste of time and money. Use that to improve something else instead.

Wouldn't be the first time Bioware "changes" combat.

*cough* *cough* Mass Effect 2 *cough* *cough* Dragon Age II *cough* *cough*

We knew that ME2 combat was changing well in advance.  I am not for or against multiplayer and I will be glad for the rumor to either be confirmed or dissolved as quickly as possible.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Your still not getting me man. If the single player is already planned out and finished there's nothing more to add. They dont need the extra budget. The budget would be extended specifically FOR multiplayer.

There is always more can add to single player, thats what expansions and DLC are. With extra time they could be part of the retail game instead of nickle and dime afterwards or spending that time with gimmicks like Kinect and (rumour) of multiplayer if was a reality.

But BioWare won't do that. They're a company out to make money. If the single player is done and they get a budget extension they won't touch the sp. If they're satisfied with it, it'll stay as is. They won't got adding DLC into the game because in the long run, they'll make more money selling those DLCs later. DLCs are planned, most of the time its not just content that they didn't have time to put in.

[xXljoshlXx]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

You have proof they don't have the resources

It's common sense, even something as an anticipated as ME3 is going to have a data limit put on it

That isn't proof and I want proof on the limit also

LilyasAvalon wrote...
Casey is the head developer of this project, if HE says multiplayer cannot work, multiplayer cannot work. While he has been crpytic about it, any tech expert would tell you that the ME system is just NOT designed for multiplayer. As for links, give me 5 and I can get them uploaded.

I really don't care what a tech expert has to say unless he is on the bioware team Links for what Casey says.

LilyasAvalon wrote...
 Multiplayer needs a much bigger lore, combat and interaction system than the current Mass Effect system can currently offer, especially with the types of possibilities one could have with such a multiplayer system, eg. playing as other races.

All you need for multiplayer is two player with or/and against. 

[Dragoonlordz]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Your still not getting me man. If the single player is already planned out and finished there's nothing more to add. They dont need the extra budget. The budget would be extended specifically FOR multiplayer.

There is always more can add to single player, thats what expansions and DLC are. With extra time they could be part of the retail game instead of nickle and dime afterwards or spending that time with gimmicks like Kinect and (rumour) of multiplayer if was a reality.

But BioWare won't do that. They're a company out to make money. If the single player is done and they get a budget extension they won't touch the sp. If they're satisfied with it, it'll stay as is. They won't got adding DLC into the game because in the long run, they'll make more money selling those DLCs later. DLCs are planned, most of the time its not just content that they didn't have time to put in.

I didn't say they would or won't, I merely said I would prefer they did.

[Jussylein]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

@Lady Of Darkness: ...So let me get this straight, you don't work for Gamescon or any magazine or gaming company but you're German, so we should trust you and the site that looks as dodgy as XBOX uk magazine?

, something I was now asked for the first time, no I've never worked it this way I look at daily news, but working for no magazines, believe me! I'm interested in just Mass Effect, and I only Duch PC Games Hardware has been pointed out, as I said on the German side, it spreads like fire.

http://www.games-news.de/

http://www.games-new...url=/news/?n=50

Modifié par Lady Of Darkness, 15 août 2011 - 04:14 .

[LilyasAvalon]

All you need for multiplayer is two player with or/and against. 

...Wait, seriouis? What kind of c%$# multiplayer system is that then? <_< Mass Effect has such huge potential of a diverse and open multiplayer system... and THAT'S what you want? Sheeh.

[xXljoshlXx]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

xXljoshlXx wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
It obviously was not "easy" as you state after my quote because you did infact edit one of my sentences and changed it while at same time claiming I wrote it.

That statement was copied exactly  from page all i did was bold,underline and italics from page Four if you don't believe look for youself

I responded about what you did earlier. Doesn't take a genius to work that one out.

Originally I said:

Dragoonlordz wrote...
should be spent adding/improving exploration, quests and prolonging the story and not on talking to yourself via a peice of plastic on top TV or some silly multiplayer

What you claimed I said:

Dragoonlordz wrote...
and not on talking to yourself via a piece of interesting technology that could add immersion in the game or some pontentially execellent multiplayer

I could care less for those two pieces they weren't meant to be taken serious the part im talking about is this.I'll copy it straight from the page.

Kinect Gimmicks - Check
Multiplayer - (Apparently) Check

Whats next?

So basically this delay it would seem (imho) was purely to add those two things? Should of just released the single player RPG without delaying to add those EA features.

[Phaedon]

So, wait, until now, all of the articles, but one cite BSN, Twitter and XBOX 360 World as a source.

Other than this one:
http://www.iamgamer....rtenden-spiele/

Which explicitly says:
"AUSZUG DER ZU ERWARTENDEN SPIELE"

and "Ein Auszug der zu erwartenden Spiele findet sich hier:"

Which translates into: "EXCERPT OF EXPECTED GAMES"


and "An excerpt of the anticipated games is here:"

So...umm, how is this official, or how is this rumor more valid than the rest?

[Dragoonlordz]

They should leave the multiplayer (even if rumour) until after ME3 when they bring out FPS Mass Effect title which is what I believe [might] happen once Shepards story ends. Keyword there is *might*, not will or won't.. It's just one of a million possiblities.

[LilyasAvalon]

Phaedon wrote...

So, wait, until now, all of the articles, but one cite BSN, Twitter and XBOX 360 World as a source.

Other than this one:
http://www.iamgamer....rtenden-spiele/

Which explicitly says:
"AUSZUG DER ZU ERWARTENDEN SPIELE"

and "Ein Auszug der zu erwartenden Spiele findet sich hier:"

Which translates into: "EXCERPT OF EXPECTED GAMES"


and "An excerpt of the anticipated games is here:"

So...umm, how is this official, or how is this rumor more valid than the rest?

It's not offical, nothing is offical until the boss man says so himself.

[Mr Powers94]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I know nothing I will say will make you think that it is or is not going to happen.

So, just wait and see what is announced during Gamescom. I shall return to see your reactions after it is all over.

[Phaedon]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

So, wait, until now, all of the articles, but one cite BSN, Twitter and XBOX 360 World as a source.

Other than this one:
http://www.iamgamer....rtenden-spiele/

Which explicitly says:
"AUSZUG DER ZU ERWARTENDEN SPIELE"

and "Ein Auszug der zu erwartenden Spiele findet sich hier:"

Which translates into: "EXCERPT OF EXPECTED GAMES"


and "An excerpt of the anticipated games is here:"

So...umm, how is this official, or how is this rumor more valid than the rest?

It's not offical, nothing is offical until the boss man says so himself.

But...but, all I see here are the ramblings of german magazines, which actually caused such a shock because 95% of the people on BSN don't understand German.

[charmingcharlie]

LilyasAvalon wrote...
It's not offical, nothing is offical until the boss man says so himself.

Even when the boss man says so himself he will say it in such a way that it does not confirm nor deny said thing so that should they change their mind they can go "yeah well we never said we would or we wouldn't did we ?"

[LilyasAvalon]

charmingcharlie wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...
It's not offical, nothing is offical until the boss man says so himself.

Even when the boss man says so himself he will say it in such a way that it does not confirm nor deny said thing so that should they change their mind they can go "yeah well we never said we would or we wouldn't did we ?"

I never said boss man didn't like messing with our heads. I swear, Casey likes making us squirm.