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[Sepewrath]

Of course she is, the Lazarus project did not replace Shepard's body, as you saw in the intro, they restarted body functions, Shepard wasn't rebuilt from scratch. So of course the body would continue to go through Oogenesis, the same way Shepard goes through all other bodily functions.

[Abispa]

Only for Krogans, Turians and Elcor. TIM is a bastard.

[slimgrin]

She's as fertile as the Napa valley.

[ThePwener]

I don't think Maleshep is fertile either. They both died, and I doubt that Cerberus could fix him down there completaly. Plus the possibility of Liara blue babies is probably also out as Shepard is kept alive through cybernetic implnat throught his body, so his nerveous system could be damaged in some way.

[ThePwener]

Sepewrath wrote...

Of course she is, the Lazarus project did not replace Shepard's body, as you saw in the intro, they restarted body functions, Shepard wasn't rebuilt from scratch. So of course the body would continue to go through Oogenesis, the same way Shepard goes through all other bodily functions.

We don't know what the Lazarus project did exactly so you and us have no idea.

[Abispa]

Of course, TIM did say to make Shepard as s/he was, but you'd have to assume s/he was fertile in the first place.

[theheadstrong11]

Sepewrath wrote...

Of course she is, the Lazarus project did not replace Shepard's body, as you saw in the intro, they restarted body functions, Shepard wasn't rebuilt from scratch. So of course the body would continue to go through Oogenesis, the same way Shepard goes through all other bodily functions.

Word. Genius. Unless femShep is holding something back about not having ovaries in the first place...

[TMA LIVE]

Honestly, I think both MaleShep and FemShep are infertile.

[Bugsie]

Does this really matter?

Honestly?

[SirGladiator]

Theres no reason why FemShep couldnt have children. Of course we know its easy enough for her to have children with Liara, I suppose you'd have to go the 'scientific' route to have them with Kelly any of the other women on the ship, and if somebody wanted their FemShep to be with one of the male LIs I can't see why it should be impossible either. It should always be possible, whether difficult or not, definitely possible, because it not being possible wouldnt be any fun.

[theheadstrong11]

Don't real-life Marines get assigned birth control once they join? You know, in case some guy tries to get some? So is this question even relevant (assuming FemShep is actually on BC)?

[Destroy Raiden_]

TheDarkRats wrote...

This thread again? XD

Anyway, I don't think she is. Cerberus wasn't even finished working on her when she woke up, why would they have wasted time and credits on something that isn't needed for saving the galaxy and not on more important things first?

Pretty much this.

Not to mention as soon as the body dies the process of decay begins you have up to 24 hrs to remove sperm or eggs from the body if it stays in the body after that 24hr period it dies and can't be revived.

Cloning eggs doesn't happen that way but lets say that in the future they can clone egss or sperm for shep we also have the small factor that the body itself will reject any cloned eggs/sperm and cause a catastrophe sense its all internal and you have no way to monitor it sheps body will treat it like a disease and start attacking the rejected material and shep will have medical problems. Just because it was once yours doesn't mean your body wants it back we see this in limb reattachments and transplants. Now we could always claim its the FUTURE but look at Miranda she got the sterile prognosis and no one said hey we can fix that just go see this clinic here and you're all fixed. So that alone shows they can't do anything with fertility issues. And shep dying and being a frozen corpse for 2 years causes a big fertility viability issue.

We also have what above comment says why would TIM waste the money? Its cheaper for him to lie and say yep it's all there and good then it is to go fix it only if shep goes independently of Cerberus knowledge and gets the test done will they find out it was a lie and will that alter the overall shep? Probably not will they be hurt or feel devastated by the loss yes but they have shown even death doesn't faze them so shep the brick commander will more then likely get the news sigh and go back to killing things.

I would find either shep being able to have kids in the ME universe after they died fan pandering and not keeping consistent with things already presented in game as well as the science of current life.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 16 août 2011 - 04:52 .

[SerWhat?]

I always thought the first time femshep woke up after death was due to Miranda's assistant messing with her meds in order to kill her. Also, when she died, the eggs she had would still be in her and when her body was restored by Lazarus, I think the eggs would have been automatically included since they were still in her body..

[Seboist]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Does this really matter?

Honestly?

Actually, yes it does. My femshep wants to be with TIM but if she isn't able to produce children for him than he'll dump her for another woman who can.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I figured Wilson woke up shep to kill him/her for whatever reason. My theory is he found out shep was more reaper then human and so turned SB agent and tried to kill the abomination before hand but Miranda being there that day foiled that assassination attempt and round 2 happened when shep woke up for good.

[Ihatebadgames]

As far as the blue children go Liara has melded with Shep 2-3 times before the Normandy was attacked?She should already have his/her DNA memorized.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Preserving her fertility would not be the most unbelievable thing about the lazerus project.

[jtrook]

Well they did revive brain cells, which once dead can never be replaced so they MIGHT of been revived along with her.

[Tonymac]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Does this really matter?

Honestly?

Apparently, someone wants to know if a digital character in an imaginary universe can have digital and imaginary children.

Wow!  Is that right?  Really?

[SilentNukee]

I like to believe she is.

[Homebound]

at OP, i dontt know if femshep is fertile but what you could do is ask a farmer.

[Red Son Rising]

i think its safe to assume femshep could have children w/ liara and, if they can revive a dead spectre im guessing they could make her lady bits work again too. all the important pieces are there and [presumably] working just fine

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I figured Wilson woke up shep to kill him/her for whatever reason. My theory is he found out shep was more reaper then human and so turned SB agent and tried to kill the abomination before hand but Miranda being there that day foiled that assassination attempt and round 2 happened when shep woke up for good.

i thought the audio logs shepard opens on the way out of the lazarus facility imply that wilson was in it for the money and maybe a lil payback. "I just wish TIM would send some cash my way.." and "Perhaps now Miranda will recognize my achievements for what they are." i just assumed the shadowbroker got to him

[Bugsie]

Seboist wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

Does this really matter?

Honestly?

Actually, yes it does. My femshep wants to be with TIM but if she isn't able to produce children for him than he'll dump her for another woman who can.

So your fictional boyfriend, dumps your fictional self, because your fictional self can't have fictional children?

Then your boyfriend is a loser.

Fictionally speaking that is.

[Seboist]

Buggirl70 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

Does this really matter?

Honestly?

Actually, yes it does. My femshep wants to be with TIM but if she isn't able to produce children for him than he'll dump her for another woman who can.

So your fictional boyfriend, dumps your fictional self, because your fictional self can't have fictional children?

Then your boyfriend is a loser.

Fictionally speaking that is.

Hey, I'm not my femshep. I don't have the hots for him.

TIM will be very disapointed and upset that all that money he spent in bringing her back didn't make her able to bare children. He previously dumped Miranda when she couldn't do the same for him.

He's not getting any younger and needs young'uns quickly!

[Wynne]

Xilizhra wrote...

A question I've been wondering about for a few minutes now.

It's reasonable to expect that Maleshep is, as men constantly produce more sperm, and so if he was put back together just the way he was, there's a logical conclusion there. However, women get all the eggs they'll ever have at birth, and assuming the eggs are as dead as Femshep is... Cerberus would need to clone thousands more and insert them into her. Would they bother doing this?

This is the sort of thing that she'd probably have some idea about after a month or so, even if no one told her, so it seems slightly unfortunate that it was never brought up. I'd be curious, even if it's not a possiblity my own Femshep would explore. 

Making Shepard "exactly who she was before" was very important to Cerberus, as frostajulie said--and as for Miranda, an infertile woman with a mature mindset and a secret store of compassion, I doubt she would want to deliberately inflict on another woman the pain that she herself feels at being infertile.

"If we alter her in any way, the Lazarus Project will have failed." As a scientist AND as a woman, Miranda would not leave FemShep with dead eggs; otherwise she would not interrogate you to see IF the project was a failure--she would have already considered it one, being the perfectionist that she is. FemShep, without intact eggs, would not be the same.

Besides, it's entirely possible that FemShep knew she wasn't going to want to have a baby early, what with the military career and all--likely enough that she would have her eggs removed and saved for later use; some women are already doing that now, let alone in the future when it would probably be easier, cheaper, and more common.

But for the reasons stated above, I have no doubt whatsoever that FemShep is fertile. Whether any individual Shepard wants to have a baby, that is the question.

ThePwener wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

Of
course she is, the Lazarus project did not replace Shepard's body, as
you saw in the intro, they restarted body functions, Shepard wasn't
rebuilt from scratch. So of course the body would continue to go through
Oogenesis, the same way Shepard goes through all other bodily
functions.

We don't know what the Lazarus project did exactly so you and us have no idea.

Not true. We know without question that recovering Shepard's body was important; Shepard was not rebuilt from scratch because we see them sticking needles into Shepard's veins, reviving the shriveled tissue... so yes, we do know. We saw it.

Furthermore, Jacob tells Shepard outright that she's not a clone, and adds on to that the statement, "You're still you, you just have a few extra bits and pieces." 

TheDarkRats wrote...



This thread again? XD



Anyway,
I don't think she is. Cerberus wasn't even finished working on her when
she woke up, why would they have wasted time and credits on something
that isn't needed for saving the galaxy and not on more important things
first?

See above, but also, it would be plenty important to the Illusive Man for humanity's best to be able to have children and hand down those killer galaxy-saving genes.

We know what about Shepard wasn't finished--healing minor scars. Miranda says as much. Everything major was intact or Miranda would've mentioned it wasn't done and asked to finish whatever she was working on later.

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Now we
could always claim its the FUTURE but look at Miranda she got the
sterile prognosis and no one said hey we can fix that just go see this
clinic here and you're all fixed. So that alone shows they can't do
anything with fertility issues. And shep dying and being a frozen corpse
for 2 years causes a big fertility viability issue.

I would find either shep being able to have kids
in the ME universe after they died fan pandering and not keeping
consistent with things already presented in game as well as the science
of current life.

Come on, that's ridiculous oversimplification of medical science. "Miranda can't so Shepard can't?" And the fan-pandering accusation is weird, considering the fan base is divided. Hell, I don't even know if I would want either gender of Shepard to have kids, it's just that there's no reason it couldn't happen because she could have a store in an egg bank even if she wasn't fixed by the LP, which for the reasons I stated above she must have been or Miranda would've been interrogating Shepard to see how bad her failure was, not whether she'd fully succeeded at making Shepard "who she was before the explosion."

Miranda's case is different, as there is a benign tumor, supposedly, rendering her "progressively unable to have a child." Which doesn't exactly make sense by itself, as the Miranda Lawson FAQ points out: 

Part IV: Miranda's infertility

Is Miranda really infertile? Where do we get that information?
The
information comes from a dossier in the DLC "Lair of the Shadow
Broker". The dossier contains, among other things, a copy of a mail
message Miranda gets from a doctor, informing her that a "benign
neoplasm […] renders [her] progressively unable to conceive a child".
Due to the inconsistent content and phrasing, that message is widely
open to interpretation. There are two distinct possibilities:
(I) The
whole dossier, with the exception of the chat between her and Oriana,
is phrased so over-the-top silly, inconsistent within itself and with
the level of technology we see throughout the game that it can only be
interpreted as satirical. Ignore it.
(II) In spite of the
inconsistencies, the dossier has to be taken seriously. It we take it
seriously, then the inconsistencies have to be resolved. See the other
questions in this section for that. If taken seriously, Miranda's
situation seems best described by the following statements:
(II-1)
At the end of Mass Effect 2, Miranda is unable to have children
naturally, i.e. to conceive a child by having sex, to become pregnant
and to give birth.
(II-2) 22nd century reproductive medicine can
create a child that is biologically of her and whoever she wants to be
the father (i.e. Shepard). That child would be indistinguishable from
one conceived naturally. Depending on the kind of infertility, the
process is more or less complicated.
(II-3) The difference between
(1) and (2) matters to Miranda emotionally, because it is another part
of normal human life denied her.

If Miranda is infertile, is that infertility curable?
I
take "curable" to mean reverse her condition so that she will be able
to conceive and carry a child to term naturally. See the next question
for circumventing the problem.
Opinions on this also vary widely. The description of her medical condition ("benign neoplasm")
suggests it is easily curable, the doctor's recommendation for adoption
as a "solution" suggests it is not. The phrasing "progressive damage
renders you unable to conceive a child" is also open to the
interpretation "She isn't yet completely infertile, and a medical
intervention can still prevent it from becoming irreversible". It also
tells us she is "unable to conceive", which may mean she can still carry
a child to term.

If Miranda's infertility is not curable, aren't there still ways she can have a child?
Yes.
The doctor's recommendation of adoption as the "solution" presented in
preference of any other is not believable. There are the following
non-exclusive options:
(1) If Miranda's egg cells are damaged, new
eggs would have to be created by artificial gametogenesis. Artificial
gametogenesis is the process of being researched by present-day
biologists (though not yet for humans. Also see this paper on artificial gametogenesis),
so it's plausible to assume 22nd century medicine can do it. This would
also be consistent with the general level of biotechology present in
the ME universe, especially considering the way Miranda's own genetic
template was made.
(2) If Miranda cannot conceive, i.e. the sperm
cannot reach the egg, fertilization can be done in-vitro. In-vitro
fertilization is a routine procedure in present-day reproductive
medicine.
(3) If Miranda cannot become pregnant, i.e. not carry a
child to term, either a surrogate mother or an artificial womb is
required to circumvent the problem. Given Okeer's research, it seems
plausible that artificial wombs exist in the ME universe, though they
may be cutting-edge technology. Surrogate mothers are always possible,
but pose the question of whether the true mother of the child isn't the
one who carries it to term.
(4) If Miranda's condition is genetic,
genetic engineering should be able to repair the condition in her eggs,
so that her children will become fully functional humans. (1) to (3)
still applies.
(5) Miranda could also have children using a process
similar to the one that created herself. This would likely include all
of the above, and she would not necessarily need a partner.

Yeah, people really think thoroughly about this stuff, though it's not quite as... um, interesting, as the guy who described in detail what Tali's sweat would be like. So if anything, giant douche that Miranda's father is, the "benign neoplasm" was some sort of little addition to keep her from being fertile until she hooked up with someone that he approved of, and the doctors don't know how to fix it because it's not really a tumor at all, but something built into her makeup, and "tumor" was the best name they could put to it. Regardless, that doesn't have anything to do with Shepard's situation.

Tonymac wrote...

Buggirl70 wrote...

Does this really matter?

Honestly?

Apparently, someone wants to know if a digital character in an imaginary universe can have digital and imaginary children.

Wow!  Is that right?  Really?

 Relax, dudes. It's just for fun. Enjoy the pleasure of debate; it sharpens the mind.