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[oldmansavage]

ipgd wrote...

Inbetweeener wrote...

and, well, the anders character.

I'm on my phone taking a dump right now, so I don't have any reaction images for this comment. Instead, I will pinch a loaf in its honor.

No need to pinch, I'm sure it will fall right out.

[FieryDove]

Inbetweeener wrote...

Why is it so bad, again? Just asking, because I thought it was pretty darn good... minus the repeated areas and, well, the anders character.

You thought the game was good. The game is good for you. I don't see the problem.

oldmansavage wrote...

ipgd wrote...

I'm on my phone taking a dump right now, so I don't have any reaction images for this comment. Instead, I will pinch a loaf in its honor.

No need to pinch, I'm sure it will fall right out.

Toilet humor is just bad no matter the decade.

Modifié par FieryDove, 16 août 2011 - 12:50 .

[ipgd]

oldmansavage wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Inbetweeener wrote...

and, well, the anders character.

I'm on my phone taking a dump right now, so I don't have any reaction images for this comment. Instead, I will pinch a loaf in its honor.

No need to pinch, I'm sure it will fall right out.

Gurl have you not been doing your kegels?

[Eveangaline]

To me it just feels incomplete. Like another year of working on it would have made it amazing. It felt rushed. But I would like to say I the characters were great and the writing was lovely, but the actual gameplay....

[Cyne]

Basically it falls short of the standard set by Origins in almost every way. It IS still plenty of fun though.

[MorrigansLove]

If I'm honest, I can see the game being really good! The concept of the story is great, but the execution is just dire, and with re-used areas integrated with that...it just doesn't make a good game.

[csfteeeer]

t0mm06 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

http://cloud.steampo...FB4892BFFB72E9/

What game is this from?

The Witcher 2 (a MUCH better game BTW)

[Aradace]

thats1evildude wrote...

Outside of a few flaws, it wasn't bad. It was different. For some people, it was TOO different.

I wish you hadn't started this thread. The topic has been discussed to death and it only prompts a flame war.

And to some folks, different = Bad by default. 

[furryrage59]

Aradace wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Outside of a few flaws, it wasn't bad. It was different. For some people, it was TOO different.

I wish you hadn't started this thread. The topic has been discussed to death and it only prompts a flame war.

And to some folks, different = Bad by default. 

That was one of the things that instantly, within a few moments of playing the demo, started to put me off. I don't mind change, but they ripped out everything that i loved in the original, and left me with ONLY the look of the quin'ari that didn't make me rage or vomit in absolute disgust.

The darkspawn looking like the baddies from power rangers with their ridiculous walking tipped me over the edge and i had my first of many rage breaks (barely managed 1 playthrough).

[veramis]

Almost everything is wrong with da2, almost everything a downgrade compared to dao. It's kind of like asking what's wrong with Harry Potter books, when compared to Lord of the Rings. Okay that was harsh, da2 is not as bad as harry potter. I was able to play through da2 3 times when I never went past the first page of harry potter.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

The story had potential, but the rushed development hurt the telling. Also I thought the framed narrative wasn't used effectively and I'm not sure if that was because the game was rush or it was just tossed together with wild abandon. Bioware usually isn't sloppy with such things though.

I think the new look tried way too hard to be unique and suffered aestheticly from this because the game came across as almost a fantasy parody to me. It's just my personal opinion, but the combat animations looked horrible for rogues, rediculous for mages and just plain silly for warriors. A sequel is the wrong time to make cosmetic changes to races too, like the Qunari, Elves and Darkspawn. It's just bad form to start juggling lore facts around after a first, successful game. Some of this can't be attributed to the game being on a rushed schedule.

The game mechanics are disappointing as well. Too much streamlining takes away alot of customization players enjoyed in the first game and also in other roleplaying games. Making warriors unable to dual wield or use ranged weapons just is...bizarre. That doesn't make the warrior class more unique, strengths make the warrior class more unique in fun ways, not just that they are tough or can use a shield and wear heavy armor. It's just as bizarre as why rogues can only use "daggers" now or that mages can only use staves. The lack of party customization in items and career paths was somewhat limiting as was the focus on making the main character a human.

These, and other reasons are why I just shook my head and was very thankful why I didn't pre-order the game, or purchase a copy. I am thankful for the demo and for friends who let me play the game and also for players on YouTube reassuring me of my non-purchase. I did not just "accept DA 2 on it's merits" because I feel that buying the game is a positive vote for it. And a positive vote for DA 2 doesn't tell Bioware that their product was lacking in my opinion. If no one tells Bioware that DA 2 is lacking then they have no reason to work harder on the next game.

I don't have to go into the reuse of areas in DA 2, all the fans and even Bioware has admitted to this and seems to be working on fixing that problem since it was a major focal point in their last DLC.

DA 2 had interesting characters and a nice overall story. The quality was very shoddy though across several fields and the character building experience seems very antiquated (and not in a quaint, nostalgic way either).

[kingjezza]

veramis wrote...

Almost everything is wrong with da2, almost everything a downgrade compared to dao. It's kind of like asking what's wrong with Harry Potter books, when compared to Lord of the Rings. Okay that was harsh, da2 is not as bad as harry potter. I was able to play through da2 3 times when I never went past the first page of harry potter.

How would you know how bad Harry Potter was if you never made it past page 1?

[andraip]

t0mm06 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

http://cloud.steampo...FB4892BFFB72E9/

What game is this from?

It's from the abomination of a game called "The Witcher 2".

I never played TW2 but since all the DA2 haters say that it's the complete opposite of DA2 then it has to be horrid jk

[Meglort]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I love it. Guess that means I'm a dumb console kiddie and "real" RPGs are too deep for me.

I wouldn't say that is so.

Some folks think McDonalds provides a delicious, hearty and perfect meal.

Some folks perhaps several courses at a top restaurant with vintage wine to get the same satisfaction.

In terms of RPG's (using that analogy), perhaps you are more aligned with the McDonalds option.

Don't mind either myself, but don't expect McDonalds served up when I go to a fine restaurant paying premium prices.

[aries1001]

I have now played about 90+ hours* in DA2 and I, as I've stated many times before, I like the game a lot.
The story is great, the characters are great, the dialogue are great. And when my Hawke resolved the Arishok situation, I yelled at my computer 'now you've made things worse....' I felt loss and tragedy and hurt when Isabella left me with a a certian relic. This is how a videogame should be, imo - to enable you to come in touch with feelings like these. Just like a good movie or a good book should do.

Please try to understand that the DA franchise is not D&D # 2, it is a franchise on its own. And as such, it stands and fails on its own merits. As such certain features that may work in D&D do not work as well or not at all in the DA franchise e.g. skills or that rogues can use a sword or that warriors can't use the the ability 'dual weapon'. To me, this means that the rogue class becomes more of its own class, and much more important than in say D&D. And that each class become more distinct from the other classes. Mages use staves in DA2, both as combat weapon and as way of casting spells; this seems much more logical to me that the D&D type of mage that also is able to use say slings, darts etc.

In DA2, there are three acts, loosely connected by Varric's framing tale of Hawke's story. Each act expands upon the other act, the ending in act 2 (the arishok's demise) would, in other games, be the ending. The 'evil' has been defeated, and we're good, now. DA2 shows courage because it goes above this, transcends this thinking, and shows what happens after the big bad 'evil' has been defeated. (not that the Qunari are evil, I'm just pointing to the fact that normally, in most games, this is where the game ends).

I agree, though, that Chapter 3 felt a bit tacked on to me. It seems as if the designers and writers tacked Chapter 3 on, maybe because they felt it was necessay so that the game didn't feel too short or perhaps because they wanted the game to end a certain way. And yes, the way the game ends is very tragic indeed, buf if you listen to what Anders tells you; he must do what is 'necessary', the way Anders does this shouldn't surprise you. If you read every codex, if you ask every question, the way the game ends will not shock you or surprise. Anders does what he must - regardless if you choose to help him or not. And at one point, it seems that Anders is no more, only Justice (or rather Vengeande) seems to be there. And such is the lives of mortal men and women, sometimes we can do something, something we can't.

The conclift between the mages and the templars seem just to break out in year 7? While there, of course, have been stirrings and tensions along the way, I do feel that the game doesn't offer a good enoough explanation as to why this must be. Also, in act 2, I felt I was railroaded at one point without no clue to the end of Act 2. I though I could change my party during the act 2's end quest, but no...

DA2 to me, as I've said it before, is a very good game. [and it's nice to see a break from the traditonal save the world because you must, it is written, it is our (your) destiny....] However, I still long for the tactical camera, better music, and some sort of follower customization. I do not mind the re-used cave, house and cove modules - especially if this means that by re-using say cave modules etc. we'll get less content.

* The 90+ hours includes reloading when I've lost a battle, reloading to see different outcomes of conversations, and reloading three times to start the first deep roads (the one with Bartrand) expedition over. And of course, also time spent with, in and around merchants. So the real playtime is maybe around 60+ hours, but still...

[PinkShoes]

DA2 wasnt a terrible game. It just was an okay game. But DAO was an awesome game so awesome compared to okay isnt so great. But Legacy was a good DLC so i have hope the DA series will go back to being awesome.

[nitefyre410]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I love it. Guess that means I'm a dumb console kiddie and "real" RPGs are too deep for me.

@PresidentCowboy

This whole  smug  notion that  Console gamers and RPG fans are some how not "Real" Rpg  is  frakking madding to the point of  rage  and Like you it drives  me  nuts.  

[csfteeeer]

andraip wrote...
It's from the abomination of a game called "The Witcher 2".
I never played TW2 but since all the DA2 haters say that it's the complete opposite of DA2 then it has to be horrid jk

oh, it IS the complete opposite to DA2..... and that is why it's Amazing.

[furryrage59]

nitefyre410 wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I love it. Guess that means I'm a dumb console kiddie and "real" RPGs are too deep for me.

@PresidentCowboy

This whole  smug  notion that  Console gamers and RPG fans are some how not "Real" Rpg  is  frakking madding to the point of  rage  and Like you it drives  me  nuts.  

It's because they tend to simplify rpgs for console people so they don't lose interest at a moments lack of action or button mashing.

[happy_daiz]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I love it. Guess that means I'm a dumb console kiddie and "real" RPGs are too deep for me.

You and me both.

Honestly, I crossed over from PC to XBox and PS3 a few years back. I played on a PC for years, but eventually realized that I could play most of the same games on my big HDTV, while sitting on a comfy couch. I sit in front of a PC all day at work, why would I want to continue that as soon as I get home? No thanks. I can do without the carpal tunnel. If that makes me dumb, then so be it.

Edit: 

@furryrage59

I will admit that I have noticed a difference in gameplay between platforms. Silly example, but I was hooked on the Sims 2 back in the day; then I saw it on my nephew's XBox, and was a little horrified at how different it was. It just seemed...more amateur in a way. Granted, it was the Sims 2, so what did I expect? But still...

Modifié par happy_daiz, 16 août 2011 - 01:51 .

[nitefyre410]

furryrage59 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I love it. Guess that means I'm a dumb console kiddie and "real" RPGs are too deep for me.

@PresidentCowboy

This whole  smug  notion that  Console gamers and RPG fans are some how not "Real" Rpg  is  frakking madding to the point of  rage  and Like you it drives  me  nuts.  

It's because they tend to simplify rpgs for console people so they don't lose interest at a moments lack of action or button mashing.

 


Lol - yeah  okay sure... Play  Final Fantasy Tatics, Front Mission(any of them) ,    any of the Shin Megami Tenshi games. Demon Souls, Catherine,  Vagrant Story etc

This  whole notion of Console gamers  losing interest because something is not "button mashing" is complete and utter  BS.

[happy_daiz]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lol - yeah  okay sure... Play  Final Fantasy Tatics, Front Mission(any of them) ,    any of the Shin Megami Tenshi games. Demon Souls, Catherine,  Vagrant Story etc 

This  whole notion of Console gamers  losing interest because something is not "button mashing" is complete and utter  BS.

That's true in my nephew's case, but then again, he's 15 (and only plays shooters). 

Not true in my case, and OMG, I loved Demon's Souls. That is one of the most maddening, difficult, awesome, and satisfying games ever. Also totally loved the Persona series.

[nitefyre410]

happy_daiz wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I love it. Guess that means I'm a dumb console kiddie and "real" RPGs are too deep for me.

You and me both.

Honestly, I crossed over from PC to XBox and PS3 a few years back. I played on a PC for years, but eventually realized that I could play most of the same games on my big HDTV, while sitting on a comfy couch. I sit in front of a PC all day at work, why would I want to continue that as soon as I get home? No thanks. I can do without the carpal tunnel. If that makes me dumb, then so be it.

Edit: 

@furryrage59

I will admit that I have noticed a difference in gameplay between platforms. Silly example, but I was hooked on the Sims 2 back in the day; then I saw it on my nephew's XBox, and was a little horrified at how different it was. It just seemed...more amateur in a way. Granted, it was the Sims 2, so what did I expect? But still...

 


This so much  and lets not forget the nice beverage that you don't have to worry about  knocking over and spilling on your keyboard. 

[xkg]

What about plugging your PC to your HDTV so you can sit on your couch and then plugging your x360 controller to your PC so you dont have to worry about your keyboard ?