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[SilentNukee]

+100
Honestly, what other gaming company listen and involve their fans as much as BioWare? And yet, most people on the BSN can never be grateful. BE GRATEFUL, DAMMIT.

[Fathom72]

Do your part in the war against high blood pressure, mods. Sticky this ****.

[medcsu]

Imagine when KOTOR comes out. The complaints will be off the charts because that game alone will attract MILLIONS of children.

Modifié par medcsu, 16 août 2011 - 01:06 .

[KotorEffect3]

I am going to do myself a favor and not come on here when ME 3 comes out for a couple of reasons, first to avoid spoilers and second so I don't have to put up with some of the whining and complaining that trolls and whiners will spam the forums with.

[Reciever80]

The way I see it, people wouldn't get so upset over this stuff if they didn't love the game so much. Bioware knows this, and while it sucks that some of us aren't as mature as others, it doesn't mean we don't care about the game. Everyone wants ME3 to be the best game possible, some people just don't know how to share that.

[MrFob]

While I agree that BW does a tremendous job with theit community work, this article is quite ridiculous in itself IMO.
If you operate a social network with literally millions of people involved, you are bound to end up with a bunch of a**holes one way or the other, especially given the abundant abuse of anonymity on the internet.
As the saying goes: One person is intelligent (i.e. reasonable). A group of persons are a dumb horde. (Maybe that is not exactly how the saying goes but you get ides).

Modifié par MrFob, 16 août 2011 - 02:34 .

[Forkinater]

The article doesn't say don't be critical it says don't be an Ass about your criticisms. Everyone should read that article even if you are nice.

[bucyrus5000]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

bucyrus5000 wrote...

I suspect the article was a troll plant by an EA henchman. EA is tired of being the bad guys and just wants us to focus on Bioware while they subvert the Steam near-monopoly.

Whatever

Sorry, I forgot to use a sarcasm emoticon;)

[Dragoonlordz]

I am partly in agreement with article.

I reserve the right to be annoyed at what annoys me and praise what I am pleased with. I have done nothing but praise DAO, ME1, Kotor, BG 1+2 etc and pretty much every aspect within them in positive light, On the other hand I have objected and voiced criticism over very few things here such as 'tacky' planet scanning replacing exploration, dislike for day one (priced) DLC and lastly DA2 (many things about it).

Now if all the positive majority things mentioned don't give me enough margin to complain about the really tiny minority list of things mentioned then sorry I have no intention of magically changing my opinion using pixie dust. Granted I don't (tend) to bash the developers as individuals though I have mentioned dislike about direction and idiology beind DA2 as close as came to such action.

As my profile note says "I am not a fan of Bioware, I am a fan of some of the games they have produced".

In the end it's not a forum issue, it's a internet and human issue. People don't have to get on their knees and lick the feet of a developer or ignore the things they do wrong just because they did something right. They should praise the good and object to the bad. When I say I think branching in a title was tacky, it's not a direct 'attack' on Bioware it's a dislike for the quality of the branching in that title.

In the end if a forum is negative more so than positive it is due to the recent products released which is what people talk about. If talk about it in a negative way its because they didn't like that game or aspects in it just like the sections about different titles they have made each forum section has different level of animosity or negativity, in the end the product itself is what make each section a happier or sadder place to be.

But it comes down to the 'human' issue and current internet generation mostly. People are asses these days in general and isn't just on forums and they are angry all the time.

P.s. My profile pic might seem ironic but I'm not angry person. lol

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 août 2011 - 02:33 .

[Jestina]

Yeah they showed great respect to the RPG fans with the Dragon Effect mess.

[Il Divo]

MrFob wrote...

While I agree that BW does a tremendous job with theit community work, this article is quite ridiculous in itself IMO.
If you operate a social network with literally millions of people involved, you are bound to end up with a bunch of a**holes one way or the other, especially give the abundant abuse of anonymity on the internet.
As the saying goes: One person is intelligent (i.e. reasonable). A Group of persons are a dumb horde. (Maybe that is not exactly how the saying hoes but you get ides).

This.

[Rockworm503]

AssassinsReign wrote...

http://razorbladesam...-bioware-alone/

If this has been posted, it is still worth putting on another time, because people need to read it.

Totally agree with everything said here.
Unfortunatly I can already guess that its going to be ignored.  and a few people will probably find this as an excuse to be even ruder.

[N7KennyXD]

I only have one word to say to this man's article:

AMEN :happy:

[Rockworm503]

marshalleck wrote...

Fanboy crawling up Bioware's ass. Terrible article.

Yay thank you for proving me right.
We have to have 2 extremes here.
WE HAVE TO
A.  be 100% hating on everything
or
B. Fanboys.

No such thing as a middle ground ever.
By all means continue being dicks to the people who make the games you love it helps them so much.

Edit: 50 bucks that anyone who calls the article bad and all about fanboys didn't even read it.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 16 août 2011 - 02:38 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I agree with the article. People here feel free to act without even a modicum of respect and have the nerve to act like everything the devs say is some sort of personal insult directed at them or that the devs are being disrespectful/inconsiderate. The irony kills me when I see people saying <x> dev ruined the series and should be fired or calling them assorted names, etc.

[marshalleck]

Rockworm503 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fanboy crawling up Bioware's ass. Terrible article.

Yay thank you for proving me right.
We have to have 2 extremes here.
WE HAVE TO
A.  be 100% hating on everything
or
B. Fanboys.

No such thing as a middle ground ever.
By all means continue being dicks to the people who make the games you love it helps them so much.

Edit: 50 bucks that anyone who calls the article bad and all about fanboys didn't even read it.

This isn't the first time I've seen angst and emotional hand-wringing over how horribly "we" treat [developer], and how "we" are so fortunate that they see fit to bestow upon our unwashed masses great gifts of generosity, and how "we" are so awful and treat them so poorly in return, etc. etc.

Whatever. Typical fanboy stockholm syndrome nonsense. 

If you feel strongly about something Bioware has done, speak your opinion strongly. Don't be meek & mild.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 août 2011 - 02:46 .

[Il Divo]

Rockworm503 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fanboy crawling up Bioware's ass. Terrible article.

Yay thank you for proving me right.
We have to have 2 extremes here.
WE HAVE TO
A.  be 100% hating on everything
or
B. Fanboys.

No such thing as a middle ground ever.
By all means continue being dicks to the people who make the games you love it helps them so much.

Edit: 50 bucks that anyone who calls the article bad and all about fanboys didn't even read it.

I personally think the article is crap. The writer does not simply appear interested in criticizing the mass hysteria which these forums produce. S/he is also intent on shoving their head right up Bioware's ass.


"I am ashamed of us. Of all of us."
"Everything we’re so obsessed with came from the very people we’re relentlessly abusing. "

It's simply more pointless melodrama.

Modifié par Il Divo, 16 août 2011 - 02:49 .

[Rockworm503]

marshalleck wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fanboy crawling up Bioware's ass. Terrible article.

Yay thank you for proving me right.
We have to have 2 extremes here.
WE HAVE TO
A.  be 100% hating on everything
or
B. Fanboys.

No such thing as a middle ground ever.
By all means continue being dicks to the people who make the games you love it helps them so much.

Edit: 50 bucks that anyone who calls the article bad and all about fanboys didn't even read it.

This isn't the first time I've seen angst and emotional hand-wringing over how horribly "we" treat [developer], and how "we" are so fortunate that they see fit to bestow upon our unwashed masses great gifts of generosity, and how "we" are so awful and treat them so poorly in return, etc. etc.

Whatever. Typical fanboy stockholm syndrome nonsense. 

If you feel strongly about something Bioware has done, speak your opinion strongly. Don't be meek.

I'm not surprised this is your response.
You didn't read it because anything that challenges your "everything bioware does sucks" mentality.
It isn't fanboyism to ask for a little civility?  or is it?  I guess it is then call me a fanboy because I would rather have people treat each other with respect than use buzzwords and make up things just to badmouth a game company.
the part in the article that says "its like kicking santa in the nuts for giving you a green farrari instead of a red one."
In your case I imagine its more like kicking santa for giving you both but not having the decency to adding a blue one as well.
And then go on to call everyone who didn't do the same a fanboy.

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...

If you feel strongly about something Bioware has done, speak your opinion strongly. Don't be meek & mild.

There's a difference between speaking forcefully and not mincing words and just being a complete @sshole though.  Surely you can recognize the distinction.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 août 2011 - 02:50 .

[ThePwener]

I agree with marshalleck on this one. The majority of fans aren't here on the BSN. We may be a-holes here (by that I mean you) but this isn't the only ME fan hideout.

Modifié par ThePwener, 16 août 2011 - 02:51 .

[marshalleck]

Rockworm503 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fanboy crawling up Bioware's ass. Terrible article.

Yay thank you for proving me right.
We have to have 2 extremes here.
WE HAVE TO
A.  be 100% hating on everything
or
B. Fanboys.

No such thing as a middle ground ever.
By all means continue being dicks to the people who make the games you love it helps them so much.

Edit: 50 bucks that anyone who calls the article bad and all about fanboys didn't even read it.

This isn't the first time I've seen angst and emotional hand-wringing over how horribly "we" treat [developer], and how "we" are so fortunate that they see fit to bestow upon our unwashed masses great gifts of generosity, and how "we" are so awful and treat them so poorly in return, etc. etc.

Whatever. Typical fanboy stockholm syndrome nonsense. 

If you feel strongly about something Bioware has done, speak your opinion strongly. Don't be meek.

I'm not surprised this is your response.
You didn't read it because anything that challenges your "everything bioware does sucks" mentality.
It isn't fanboyism to ask for a little civility?  or is it?  I guess it is then call me a fanboy because I would rather have people treat each other with respect than use buzzwords and make up things just to badmouth a game company.
the part in the article that says "its like kicking santa in the nuts for giving you a green farrari instead of a red one."
In your case I imagine its more like kicking santa for giving you both but not having the decency to adding a blue one as well.
And then go on to call everyone who didn't do the same a fanboy.

I read it. It's a text-dump of emotional blackmail, and the same sort of dreck you're bound to find on any fan community--not limited to just game developers. It's neither original nor insightful.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 août 2011 - 02:51 .

[Rockworm503]

I saw it coming. I said people were going to ignore the article and use it as an excuse its just "typical fanboy stocholm syndrome"
You know because Bioware held us hostage for months and now we're playing nice because we're used to it amirite?
give me a break this whole argument is proving the article right.

[AtreiyaN7]

@il divo: Your response is the kind of thing that proves that there's truth in what the author wrote. Maybe you missed the part in the article where the author links his other article wherein he indicates his disappointment with DA2? I think this article's point is that one can be critical and voice one's opinons without acting like an ungrateful two-year-old throwing a tantrum.

[Contalion]

Great article! I love Bioware, and honestly, there has yet to be a bioware game I didn't LOVE. Even with all the flack DA2 has gotten, I still think its a good game. Sure, measured against the lofty standards that Bioware's other games have set, it may not be as great, but I mean, come on....compared to almost any non-Bioware game....it is freaking awesome. Bioware is one of the only companies that REALLY seems to care about their FANS.....they make real RPGs and REAL storylines for the true FANS of the genre....all while still being immensely successful. Much love to Bioware, and death to all the haters.