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[Rockworm503]

Eh I am convinced that 99.9% of everyone who posts on youtube are in it just for the thumbs up.
"Enter quote from video I just saw" YAY 145 thumbs up my life has meaning!

[Edge 7]

Dionkey wrote...

However, Bioware/EA likes to take things in games that have a problem and completely remove them to make new customers happy. Inventory, for example, was completely removed from the game. Would it have been difficult to refine? Not really, just get rid of the pages of loot and make money worth something. Instead, they just scrapped the entire thing. Same thing with exploration. The presentation and combat were a step up, but it's as if they try to disguise going in a big-budget-shooter route. I don't really find this justifiable and I feel as if they are being bottlenecked by EA too much.

EDIT: I should have noted that I was discussing ME2 there. Might have been a bit confusing.

I really, really doubt that any part of those decisions came from EA.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Femsheppers, read this article and think about your life.

Those who criticize the games however, continue to criticize. If we all go mute then Bioware will make assumptions.

[Dionkey]

Edge 7 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

However, Bioware/EA likes to take things in games that have a problem and completely remove them to make new customers happy. Inventory, for example, was completely removed from the game. Would it have been difficult to refine? Not really, just get rid of the pages of loot and make money worth something. Instead, they just scrapped the entire thing. Same thing with exploration. The presentation and combat were a step up, but it's as if they try to disguise going in a big-budget-shooter route. I don't really find this justifiable and I feel as if they are being bottlenecked by EA too much.

EDIT: I should have noted that I was discussing ME2 there. Might have been a bit confusing.

I really, really doubt that any part of those decisions came from EA.

Well not the direct decisions, but the stock holders advise on what audience they want to aim for and control marketing.

[Shockwave81]

I find myself agreeing with the sentiment of the article.

I'd like to say that BioWare will be able to take a nice rest when March 2012 rolls around, but I will expect ME3 DLC on an hourly/daily basis for at at least 6 months before they do.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I tend to try to offer solutions or suggestions for whatever I criticize, but it can be hard to feel like they will be heard among so much ridiculousness

The internet is such a hate filled place. Long term anonymity is unhealthy imo.

Hope you don't get discouraged Bioware. Much love.

[Mister Mida]

Ashamed for all of us? Yeah sure, everyone on the BSN was b!tching about it. I love it when people apoligize for other people's insignificant behaviour.

[Edge 7]

Dionkey wrote...
Well not the direct decisions, but the stock holders advise on what audience they want to aim for and control marketing.

True, EA does control Mass Effect's advertising, but Casey Hudson and crew have said in the past that these decisions were made to cut out features they felt didn't benefit gameplay, not because they were trying to make a shooter. Christina Norman, the lead gameplay designer, used it as an example in her presentation of how gameplay evolved in the sequel. And we're getting a better designed and more involved weapon management system in ME3, so it continues to evolve.

To the topic - Speaking specifically with regard to the ME bioware team (not familiar enough with DA), they don't deserve a lot of what this forum throws at them. I'm absolutely fine with constructive critism, but most of it doesn't come off in that way. They've created two amazing (not flawless) mass effect games, and its relatively safe to assume the third will follow the trend.

And getting called a kiss ass when you defend bioware is confusing to me, considering other game developers out there. Any developer that treats an involved story as an integral part of a game needs to be singled out, and deserve a bit of a break. Again, I'm speaking strictly on the ME team, I can't argue for DA as I'm not involved enough with it. EDIT: But Bioware continues to make a compelling story with this series, and with improved gameplay behind it, hopefully we see the best they have to offer in March.

Modifié par Edge 7, 16 août 2011 - 06:44 .

[Cheesy Blue]

 I agree with this article, but the huge point that the author is missing is that this is the internet. People are going to be dicks. That's a fact that you can rely on 100% of the time.  In the end BSN is always going to be filled with trolls and people who have less intellect than a fly, so take what you can get and be glad that this isn't the Call of Duty community.

Modifié par Cheesy Blue, 16 août 2011 - 06:38 .

[SkittlesKat96]

I've noticed that the Mass Effect forums is more grateful and nicer than the Dragon Age forums but then again maybe everyone here would be nasty too if a Mass Effect game ended up being really mediocre.

[mineralica]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ashamed for all of us? Yeah sure, everyone on the BSN was b!tching about it. I love it when people apoligize for other people's insignificant behaviour.

Do you know what it looks like for me? Soviet tradition "We are so ashamed for all our coworkers who dared to speak against Party". Disgusting. Both the people who make claims for entire group and the people who hurry to show their shame about actions of group s/he counts in - we've complained. We called. Author, are you confessing or what?

If you ashamed for own actions, don't hide yourself and choose a honest "I". If it's note to another fans, the facts - "Remember how it was said twice Ashley will have armour but people still complained about lack thereof?" or "remember what first everyone complained about oversexualised characters and then claimed that Vega will die asap because being fugly?" - would add far more weight than emotional cries "You are all sinners! The end is nigh!". But no, the facts suggest two things - good knowledge of situation and the possible discussions around mentioned facts - so the author just points we are sinful, possibly suggesting that reader should pull own example from memory and feel ashamed?

Guys, USSR ended about 20 years ago. If you want a reasonable, fact-based discussion about where fans are overreacting, put some facts and let it be so. If you want to make a preach about how everyone should follow the line of the Party - thanks, I had it enough.

And... not ME3-related?

[vader da slayer]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

"Everything we’re so obsessed with came from the very people we’re relentlessly abusing. It’s kind of like punching Santa in the nuts because he brought you a blue Ferrari instead of a red one." - DesertBell

Captain_Obvious approves of this quote. :-)

I have instantly become a fan of this guy (DesertBell) and think that following line he post in the comments to his article there is spot on.

"I just have a problem with what appears, to me, to be a growing sense of entitlement among the players; the sense that the developers at BioWare somehow owe us something for playing their games, that we’re doing them a favor. "

what people (fans and other wise) need to remember that in the end these games are Biowares/EA's (and Microsoft in the case of ME1) games. not ours. yes we can say "hey we did like what you did here I think blah blah would have been better" but to come in and say (and I've seen similar on these boards) that someone is inept at their job and should be fired or similar for something trivial (especially over a GAME) like writing some plot device is absolute insanity on the complainers part.

there are a lot of people (both on and not on these boards) that need to take a step back and breath a little and remember that these games are nothing more than entertainment and as far as we the players are concerned, don't really matter in the long run.

[Brenon Holmes]

mineralica wrote...

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And... not ME3-related?

Good point... probably better that the discussion move to Off-Topic.