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[Anyrandomname]

So im playing as a Rogue on hard and i decided (without much prep) to go and take on the high dragon. I used Anders, Varric and Aveline. I had a total of 7 helth potions, 5 stamina potions and 5 mana potions. I completly destroyed the dragon. Well, it wasnt super super easy, I had to revive my Rogue once at the very end to finish off the dragon and Varric died twice but all in all, I have never had such an easy time beating this dragon. He was harder on Casual with my very first character. How did everyone else find their High Dragon battle? Easy, hard, pathetic? What kind of build did you use? Detail your rogue for me?

[catofnine]

Not to dim your shine, son...but maybe you want to graduate to Nightmare difficulty at this point?

Hellz to the yes?

[devSin]

I think it's easier for ranged characters, but I got through it with two health potions and no casualties on Normal with v1.03.

That said, I don't consider it fair, because I think it glitched out. During one of the waves near the end, he seemed to stick up on his perch and shoot at the nearest party member (I just stood Fenris with 90% fire resistance there, and the thing just shot at him every few seconds). So mage Hawke and Varric just shot at him, and he only ever shot at Fenris.

And then the dragonlings and dragons that come after you, some of them started fighting each other, and the high dragon ended up shooting at some of them. So basically we were able to finish off the nearby dragonling wave without getting harassed by the high dragon, then Hawke bombs the remaining dragonlings off in the distance (who were still fighting among themselves and getting shot by the high dragon). (I think this started happening with the wave right before it got stuck up on its perch, and then it happened for the wave immediately after.)

After that nonsense, it came off its perch for the final round, and we just cut it down.

I know I could have beaten it with no potions, no casualties, and it not glitching out, but I didn't really want to replay it, especially with the behavior being so flakey.

Modifié par devSin, 16 août 2011 - 03:10 .

[SuicidalBaby]

High Dragon is 10x easier post patch.

[Anyrandomname]

Ahh ok. Maybe i should go onto Nightmare but this is my first time playing on hard even. I wouldnt be able to do it if I wasnt using a Rogue. My rogue could take care of the dragonlings easily, it was actually quite funny 80% defence against any creature comes in handy! Made it hard for even the dragon to hurt me especially with aveline using bodyguard as well as her 10% damage transfer because of friendship. The 10x easier part kinda makes me a bit less proud though

[aries1001]

I had a tough time the first time around because I wasn't expecting a High Dragon, let alone the phases (three in combat). First time around I took Sebastian, Me, (a warrior with a two-handed weapon) Aveline and I think Merril. (as a sidenote, I think it is really unfair that Anders is the only mage that van raise people during combat...) I leveled up a bit anc came back, fully stocked up on potions. And this time, I beat the dragon. Aveline as tank, my warrior as damage dealers, and Anders to aid his allies and Aveline as the main mage damage dealer. In the end Aveline and I was left standing, and defeating the dragon.

Awesome cinematic ending, btw

And I don't understand how you could defeat the High Dragon with some health potions and some stamina potions. I think I used up half my elfroot potions, 1/4 of my injurty kits and health potions. It didn't help that Anders died during the combat. Bummer. Aveline and me (warrior) was really effecttive, though. The same was Aveline and Anders (while it lasted). I made good use of the terrain and backtracked all the way to the end of the vista/terrain/slope - which meant that sometimes the dragon's fire didn't reach me. It only goes so far - the dragon's breath fire and ice weapon that is. And I thought the fight was hard even in casual mode, but then again, I'm not the big tactical player. Although it has gotten better....

[Sir Edric]

Easy. It only had long health bar, didn't do much damage.

[SuicidalBaby]

Mainly it was the tracking fireballs.

[Sabotin]

What would you consider hard? 4 deaths with prior knowledge of battle doesn't sound so easy to me .

Though a serious answer would be welcome, I'm kinda interested what people think is an easy or hard battle.

[Arthur Cousland]

Bring fire resistance. Fire ward runes are cheap, and can be easily replaced by something different after the fight.

The dragonlings are also weak to ice, so having weapons or spells with that element couldn't hurt.

A hard battle is where companions actually die and strategy is required, and perhaps a few reloads are involved.

An easy battle is where not much out of the ordinary is required. No one dies, minimal healing needed, no particular strategy or thought required, etc.

[SuicidalBaby]

Sabotin wrote...

What would you consider hard? 4 deaths with prior knowledge of battle doesn't sound so easy to me .

Though a serious answer would be welcome, I'm kinda interested what people think is an easy or hard battle.

1.00 assassins was hard.
1.00 Xebenkeck was hard.
1.00 high dragon was tough.
1.00 Brekker was kind of hard

I two shot Corpheus, and even then it was only because of the a.i. 

[devSin]

I'd also add that the Hold bug made this fight more tedious than it would otherwise be (and that's already plenty tedious). Tanks (any melee really) are pretty much useless against the dragon as far as I'm concerned, so I like to keep them out of range (they're helpful during the dragonling waves of course), but you have to pause the game every few seconds to order them back as they automatically charge the dragon (I guess I could have fiddled with the tactics, but I never do).

With only two ranged characters, it's pretty easy just to stay moving (since you can dodge the fireballs now) and shoot at the dragon (if you watch its mouth, you can start to get a feel for which character it's going to shoot at). Although I also had Aveline who had taken the Bodyguard talent for some reason (it's like the only place in the game it was ever useful), so it was even easier. (Hawke had Spirit Healer specialization in that run, so I just healed and didn't bother with any fire resistance items.)

Modifié par devSin, 16 août 2011 - 07:24 .

[Mocker22]

With prep the dragon isn't so bad. As the game gets lder, more content and items ome out, actis evolve, etc. All of these fights were ridiculous the first time we all tried them on nightmare(or hard for that matter).

[Anyrandomname]

Three deaths isnt that much if you consider that two of the deaths were a very low hp Varric and the last of my deaths was my Rogue and i only revived him cuz I could, I would have been able to kill the dragon anyways

[Arthur Cousland]

devSin wrote...

I'd also add that the Hold bug made this fight more tedious than it would otherwise be (and that's already plenty tedious). Tanks (any melee really) are pretty much useless against the dragon as far as I'm concerned, so I like to keep them out of range (they're helpful during the dragonling waves of course), but you have to pause the game every few seconds to order them back as they automatically charge the dragon (I guess I could have fiddled with the tactics, but I never do).

With only two ranged characters, it's pretty easy just to stay moving (since you can dodge the fireballs now) and shoot at the dragon (if you watch its mouth, you can start to get a feel for which character it's going to shoot at). Although I also had Aveline who had taken the Bodyguard talent for some reason (it's like the only place in the game it was ever useful), so it was even easier. (Hawke had Spirit Healer specialization in that run, so I just healed and didn't bother with any fire resistance items.)

Don't let Aveline run off on her own.  I usually set  my melee companions to defensive behavior, ranged companions to passive and have them all attack the same target as Hawke.  This helps to focus their attack and when I control Hawke, everyone follows, rather than running off on their own and attacking the closest thing that moves.

[AliciaAnn]

 Easy as pie.  I didn't have a single death.

[Invellous]

Much easier compared to the one in Origins in my opinion. Though the encounter felt far more dynamic in Dragon Age 2. As it had 'Phases' like many encounters in other MMOs. Single Player RPGs should have more fights like this one.

[Anyrandomname]

I loved the origin dragon fights!!! so intense and so much more freaquent. Wow there were only 2 dragons ANYWHERE near tough!

[Arthur Cousland]

The Origins high dragon certainly had more health, but I liked how the DA2 fight had "phases", and the dragon called in reinforcements.

[Dragoncloud]

Theres a patch that made it easier <<?


On my nightmare playthrough it was painfully slow, i had myself as spirit healer (no death penalties yey) and merril for general ranged damage goodness (and her self aoe to damage the waves of mobs), fenris was my tank, and isabella was there to keep meril alive & kill off the rabble.

If I recall correctly the fight took me close to 40 minutes, on my normal playthroug it was 'hard' as in that i wasn't prepared, but it only took 20 minutes, and it did help that as a 2 handed reaver/templar i aoe'd the hell out of the mobs that spawned.

So theres a patch now that makes stuff easier << ?

[Arthur Cousland]

Before the patch, the high dragon's fireballs could track people down. I'm not sure what else it affected with the high dragon.

The toughest part of battles like this is just keeping Varric/Anders from being swarmed by reinforcements, as they usually fight a mile from Aveline, where her taunts and battle synergy don't quite reach them. I'll have Varric using goad/armstice/evade, but he is usually the enemy's preferred target instead of the tank.

[Icy Magebane]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

Mainly it was the tracking fireballs.

This... the last patch nerfed the hell out of the High Dragon. 

[Tainan7509]

Compare to DLC final boss, i say High dragon is an easy fight.

P.S in NM level of course.

[Benny S]

I have now just finished my 6th character/playthrough, all of which were played on nightmare(my 1st 2 or 3 characters occasionally having to lower the difficulty 4 certain battles) and by far the hardest high dragon fight was my 1st character, which fell victim to the isabella bug. However i didnt find the high dragon as hard as the Brekker fight and the end dissent fight vs the templars, both of which took me till my 3rd or 4th playthrough to be able to keep the difficulty setting on nightmare.

[Joulurotta]

Uumm.. honestly i cant figure why people say high dragon is easier than Brekker.. i needed to go look from wiki who that brekker even were becouse it dosent ring any bell and now i know why it dosent..  rogue can one shot brekker whit twin fangs but i havent seen allmost any change to high dragons hp whit that.

But i think high dragon is around middle on difficults.. hardest boss in DA2 for me seems to be hybris, but high dragon sure has been on some weakening diet from DA:O

Modifié par Joulurotta, 23 août 2011 - 09:43 .