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[bucyrus5000]

marshalleck wrote...

It's not even really a question. Unless Legion is lying (and I doubt it, he's obviously intended as an exposition device) it seems like the geth would be content to return control of Rannoch to the quarians, if the quarians would simply make some sort of gesture toward them that ISN'T about controlling or attacking them. The geth don't inhabit planets; they live in space stations and mine asteroids. They've only been maintaining Rannoch as a memorial.

It's an unnecessary conflict.

Totally agree, Geth seem to have a sentimental side; they maintain Rannoch, they build Geth bodies to resemble Quarians (same finger & toes, arced tibula, geth faces shaped & decorated to resemble Quarians with helmets), and then there is Legions choice of armor repair.

[didymos1120]

MrFob wrote...

IIRC these space stations are in orbit of the planet.

Legion never says where their stations are.  Just that they have them.  Also, it's not just Rannoch they've been cleaning up.  It's "creator worlds" in general.  Personally, I think their stations are like the Heretic one: just out in space. Maybe in orbit around a system's star, but not around a planet.  Or at least not terrestrials.  I could see them having some around jovians for helium-3 mining.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 août 2011 - 04:25 .

[ThePwener]

didymos1120 wrote...

MrFob wrote...

IIRC these space stations are in orbit of the planet.

Legion never says where their stations are.  Just that they have them.  Also, it's not just Rannoch they've been cleaning up.  It's "creator worlds" in general.  Personally, I think their stations are like the Heretic one: just out in space. Maybe in orbit around a system's star, but not around a planet.  Or at least not terrestrials.  I could see them having some around a jovians for helium-3 mining.

You have to also account that the heretic station was meant to be hidden, so it wouldn't be around aplanet for it to be easily spotted.

[MrFob]

@ didymos: Fair enough. As I said, I wasn't quite sure what exactly he said.

Seboist wrote...

Humanity should buy the deed from the Geth if we lose Earth.

Reverse chirality of dextro-proteins are screwing up that plan.

Modifié par MrFob, 16 août 2011 - 04:27 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

The Geth don't even want it, they just take care of it. All they want is their Dyson sphere like object and to be left the hell alone to share memories and expieriences.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 16 août 2011 - 04:35 .

[lokiarchetype]

The Geth don't even want it

And its more than the Quarians deserve

So neither.

Personally, I'd like to nuke it from orbit just so that the Quarians don't have a reason to start anymore petty, wasteful wars and can focus on more important things... like the fate of the entire galaxy for instance.

[Fuzzfro]

 Get the geth to help you fight the collectors then after that eradicate them all and give the planet back to the Quarians.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It's not even really a question. Unless Legion is lying (and I doubt it, he's obviously intended as an exposition device) it seems like the geth would be content to return control of Rannoch to the quarians, if the quarians would simply make some sort of gesture toward them that ISN'T about controlling or attacking them. The geth don't inhabit planets; they live in space stations and mine asteroids. They've only been maintaining Rannoch as a memorial.

It's an unnecessary conflict.

It is not that simple. Neither side has any reason nor can they really afford to blindly trust the other. The quarians can't sit there vulnerable just out of a sense of good will. They need to be able to protect themselves and anything which protects the quarians is a threat to the geth.

That is unless Xen gets her way and the geth are returned to the quarians as tools. Otherwise the paranoia and mistrust will never really end.

There's no incentive for either side to just trust the other. Security brings stability.

Blind trust would only be necessary in the immediate future, and even then in very small amounts.  For the Quarians to return home permanently, the Geth and the Quarians would have to build a rapport, one that is mediated and encouraged by a third neutral party.  Similar to the relationship built between humanity and the turians.  Is it a shakey, mistrustful peace?  Yes, but it still allows us to coexist within the galaxy.  There may eventually come a time where they become our strongest allies, but this will never be so if both races just ignore the problem.

So yes, not simple, but possible.

[breakdown71289]

I say that the Quarians need to get their act together and realize that whatever mistakes were made in the past, are in the past now.....same with the Geth. They also need to realize that the Quarians need their home planet back, so i believe some kind of truce is in order here at the very least.

Modifié par breakdown71289, 16 août 2011 - 04:46 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I think I should get it,so I can build my own amusement park,with blackjack,and hookers.



Seriously though....Geth don't own it.


And to jreezy,nobody owns a planet,nobody.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 04:51 .

[Someone With Mass]

lokiarchetype wrote...

The Geth don't even want it

And its more than the Quarians deserve

So neither.

Personally, I'd like to nuke it from orbit just so that the Quarians don't have a reason to start anymore petty, wasteful wars and can focus on more important things... like the fate of the entire galaxy for instance.

Have you read the description of their homeworld? It's a scrapyard at best. Nuking it would be doing them a favor.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

The Geth don't even want it

And its more than the Quarians deserve

So neither.

Personally, I'd like to nuke it from orbit just so that the Quarians don't have a reason to start anymore petty, wasteful wars and can focus on more important things... like the fate of the entire galaxy for instance.

Have you read the description of their homeworld? It's a scrapyard at best. Nuking it would be doing them a favor.

Were did you get a planet description? From what I hear anything going beyond the veil gets blown up.

[marshalleck]

Someone With Mass wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

The Geth don't even want it

And its more than the Quarians deserve

So neither.

Personally, I'd like to nuke it from orbit just so that the Quarians don't have a reason to start anymore petty, wasteful wars and can focus on more important things... like the fate of the entire galaxy for instance.

Have you read the description of their homeworld? It's a scrapyard at best. Nuking it would be doing them a favor.

source?

[Kileyan]

*its more than the Quarians deserve*

See, I don't get this reaction at all?

The Quarians may have made a huge mistake, but they didn't kill babies out of malicious intent. They thought they were killing nothing more than some algorithims that may or may not have constituted life.

The Geth on the other had, having no idea of life, poliltical leaders, military , killed every single thing in thier sight, everything, children, bakers, cab drivers, nurses, doctors.

It should be a wash, Quarians made a mistake, and the Geth having zero idea of what life was, even though people argue that they are life, decided to exterminate every living thing on that planet, then pursue them into space.

Apparently the Quarians are at fault for making a mistake, but the Geth are not at fault for making a several billion lives mistake. We can't blame the Geth, simply because they are a bunch of overly violent children with tons of power and no idea how to use it in the context of the galaxy.

Modifié par Kileyan, 16 août 2011 - 05:00 .

[Mr_DeMille]

The Quarian homeworld? Let me think.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The quarians, of course. With the exception of possibly the Rachni, the quarians are the one race in the galaxy since the last reaper invasion that have had the greatest atrocities visited upon them. The Geth aren't even that interested in Rannoch, so ideally they should probably leave and never return. I don't support exterminating or reprogramming the geth but I'm not sure they could ever make up for the genocide they commited against the quarians. At least in their eyes.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 16 août 2011 - 05:05 .

[MrFob]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Blind trust would only be necessary in the immediate future, and even then in very small amounts.  For the Quarians to return home permanently, the Geth and the Quarians would have to build a rapport, one that is mediated and encouraged by a third neutral party.  Similar to the relationship built between humanity and the turians.  Is it a shakey, mistrustful peace?  Yes, but it still allows us to coexist within the galaxy.  There may eventually come a time where they become our strongest allies, but this will never be so if both races just ignore the problem.

So yes, not simple, but possible.

Problem is, there is no third party at the moment that could mediate. Forget the council races. They banish AI research altogether and tolerate the geth only because they wont risk doing anything about it (the council is good at that). How could the geth ever trust them. how coul they trust any organic species for that matter.
I actually think the heretic story was not the smartest move BW ever made. It would have made sense for the geth to ally with the reaper (and maybe even revere them as the next step in their evolution) due to pure logic. Introducing the whole "some of us were reprogrammed" story was dumbing down a very interesting aspect of the ME universe and its complex interaction between organic and artificial life.
On the other hand, how can the quarians or any other organics trust the geth? This may seem a bit easier at first but then, the geth have eternal memory capacity. They record and don't forget (Legions recording of the morning war proves that). That fact, combined with an inherent unpredictability of a hive mind AI which thinks on principle completely different to the individualistic social structure of organic civilizations and their rapid evolutionary change makes "paranoia" on the quarians side very understandable.

So yes, it is definitely not simple.

[AtreiyaN7]

I think the Geth don't even want the planet (per Legion's conversations about their plans to increase their intelligence with that uber-mind or whatever you'd like to call it). For the sake of argument, if both parties are interested in the Quarian homeworld, they should learn to share the planet and work on building a future together as equals.

[Kaiser Shepard]

We should negotiate with the geth to leave, then take the it for ourself out of spite for the quarians.

Alternatively, the geth can stay as long as they behave.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

We should negotiate with the geth to leave, then take the it for ourself out of spite for the quarians.

Alternatively, the geth can stay as long as they behave.

As long as I get to keep Legion,and teach them how to be HK-47.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 05:11 .

[Sisterofshane]

Kileyan wrote...

*its more than the Quarians deserve*

See, I don't get this reaction at all?

The Quarians may have made a huge mistake, but they didn't kill babies out of malicious intent. They thought they were killing nothing more than some algorithims that may or may not have constituted life.

The Geth on the other had, having no idea of life, poliltical leaders, military , killed every single thing in thier sight, everything, children, bakers, cab drivers, nurses, doctors.

It should be a wash, Quarians made a mistake, and the Geth having zero idea of what life was, even though people argue that they are life, decided to exterminate every living thing on that planet, then pursue them into space.

Apparently the Quarians are at fault for making a mistake, but the Geth are not at fault for making a several billion lives mistake. We can't blame the Geth, simply because they are a bunch of overly violent children with tons of power and no idea how to use it in the context of the galaxy.

Where are you getting the idea that  the Geth indiscriminately slaughtered every quarian that came within their scopes?  I definitely remember the word "revolt", but that is not to imply that they were butchers.

And as I remember it, the Geth actually favored a truce, but the Quarians attacked every time they had the opportunity to do so.  This is what led to them to eventually "abandon" Rannoch, and I am sure that hostilities continued on BOTH sides until the Geth were reasonably sure that their existence was no longer threatened, as it were when the Quarians were driven beyond the Perseus Veil.  After which, the Geth never persued (until Saren came along, but THAT is another story).

I don't think it was a lack of "understanding" that lead to the death of so many Quarians, but rather a very healthy instinct to survive.