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[dragonflight288]

And in between the stairs, elven recruits are attacking you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Again....Meredith and her templars or Orsino and his fireballs of doom.

With their heavy armor, they'd still have a tougher time breaking through. Instead of letting them walk up the stairs and offer them a courtward where they can deploy more men.

And they had gas. The perfect place to use the gas was the stairs.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
In both Lowtown AND Hightown the Qunari are defending the stairs, and also using Saarebas in Hightown...

No, they are not. They are defending the entrances in the courtwards, because like idiots they think it's a good idea to give the enemy room. But they are not defending the actual stairs. As in physically blocking them, and keep raining lances and magic on the enemy, as well as gas, as they are trying to scale it.

The sarebaas was not using his magic on the stairs, but in the courtward. Because the concept of a funnel is apparently alien to them.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 août 2011 - 04:36 .

[dragonflight288]

Let's call it a plot device to make us getting up the stairs easier and call it good.

[PinkShoes]

well the Qunari wanted to convert the people. It would be a waste to kill them all.

[Neminea]

I think they didn't use it because i got the impression (even though meredith claims otherwise) that they never intended to take over Kirkwall. In act 1 the Arishok states that he isn't there to convert nor has the tools to do so, and I got the impression that the chat you have with him before the attack was "the final straw". To me it just seemed like he never planned the whole thing, never even wanted to do it but he couldn't remain blind to the corruption (or whatever he calls it) that is Kirkwalls society.
Everything that happened after that might seem like they had planned it all along could easily just be a result of their knowledge on tactics. It doesn't take a genious that brooded on batle tactics for several years to know that bringing everyone important to a defensible position like the keep is a good idea.

[Sajuro]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Get to the top of the stairs as soon as they attack the city and there they are.

They were there not defending the stairs we just saw Hawke casually walk up. Like idiots, they were defending the courtward that is spaceous enough to give the enemy the opportunity to bring more numbers to bear.

I think you missed the part where everytime we went up stairs we were attacked by more Qunari, and they would have wiped Hawke on company out if not for Meredith's timely intervention. As for using the gas, it is possible if the direction of the wind changed or was going towards the Qunari that the gas would completely backfire on them.
I do wish they had taken some time to put up barricades at certain points (made from the stalls) but those fights were hard enough so I'm willing to mark it up to them not having the time to in between attacking the city and dragging people off.

[TEWR]

Kossith are immune to the effects of the gas.


edit: makes more sense to say Kossith

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 août 2011 - 06:33 .

[Neminea]

Though the elven converts aren't

[BigEvil]

The wind direction is a possibility but it would only move the gas away from the people the Qunari were trying to use it on. The Qunari are immune to the gas themselves.

[TEWR]

More than likely the Kossith are the only ones who are immune to it, as Qunari translates to "people of the Qun", which relates to anyone who follows the Qun.

I also bet the Qunari have some sort of antidote or safeguard against the effects of the gas for those who aren't Kossith

[Torax]

I doubt they'd use the gas because it would mean that it risks losing a lot of future converts to insanity and needless slaughter not required to fill the demand of the Qun.

[T3H Fish]

I'm more inclined to believe the Kossith developed an antidote or at least counter-measures in-case of wind changes when the poison gas is in use, since they wouldn't want members of the Qunari to go insane and drop dead. They don't like wasting things.

I also agree with the theory that the Arishok hadn't planned the invasion in the first place, it was kind of 'spur of the moment' because he got tired of the state Kirkwall was in. If it had been a planned invasion, I'm sure the gaatlok and saar-qamek would have come into play.

[bleetman]

Sajuro wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They were there not defending the stairs we just saw Hawke casually walk up. Like idiots, they were defending the courtward that is spaceous enough to give the enemy the opportunity to bring more numbers to bear.

I think you missed the part where everytime we went up stairs we were attacked by more Qunari, and they would have wiped Hawke on company out if not for Meredith's timely intervention.

I'm assuming he's not talking about stairs in general, but rather the stairs connecting Hightown to Lowtown, which are apparently a highly effective defensive position.

Instead, they're spread all over Kirkwall. It's asinine.

As for why they didn't use their gas or explosives, who knows. Perhaps they had the means of creating some, but no delivery system on hand.

[Nhadalie]

It's mentioned in a banter between Isabela and Fenris in Act 3 that the Qunari do not waste "resources".


When they stormed the city, they would have been taking out anyone who opposed them, and converting those that did not. If they used Gaatlok, or Sar-Qamek against the city, there would have been a large waste of life that could have been converted.

Those who do not wish to convert fully to the Qun become laborers, unless they fight their captors anyway. In which case, they die.

Everyone plays a role according to the Qun, regardless if they wish to or not.

Basically, if Hawke wasn't there, Kirkwall would have fallen under the Qun, despite Kirkwall's diplomatic agreements with the Qunari.(Which many countries in Thedas have made.)

Modifié par Nhadalie, 16 août 2011 - 07:16 .

[Chun Hei]

Of course if the Qunari were shown blowing stuff up with gunpowder in DA2 the critics would complain that the Kirkwall guard were so stupid they allowed the Qunari to keep or make such a dangerous weapon that they would be so vulnerable to.

[Neminea]

Chun Hei wrote...

Of course if the Qunari were shown blowing stuff up with gunpowder in DA2 the critics would complain that the Kirkwall guard were so stupid they allowed the Qunari to keep or make such a dangerous weapon that they would be so vulnerable to.

Hehehehe I guess that would be true.

[Sajuro]

bleetman wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They were there not defending the stairs we just saw Hawke casually walk up. Like idiots, they were defending the courtward that is spaceous enough to give the enemy the opportunity to bring more numbers to bear.

I think you missed the part where everytime we went up stairs we were attacked by more Qunari, and they would have wiped Hawke on company out if not for Meredith's timely intervention.

I'm assuming he's not talking about stairs in general, but rather the stairs connecting Hightown to Lowtown, which are apparently a highly effective defensive position.

Instead, they're spread all over Kirkwall. It's asinine.

As for why they didn't use their gas or explosives, who knows. Perhaps they had the means of creating some, but no delivery system on hand.

I am talking about those stairs and the area around them as well, if not for Meredith killing the Saarbas (sp) the Qunari would have killed Hawke and company, and it seems to me they had a small unit of Qunari including the Sten who were guarding the stairs area.

[Sons of Horus]

bleetman wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They were there not defending the stairs we just saw Hawke casually walk up. Like idiots, they were defending the courtward that is spaceous enough to give the enemy the opportunity to bring more numbers to bear.

I think you missed the part where everytime we went up stairs we were attacked by more Qunari, and they would have wiped Hawke on company out if not for Meredith's timely intervention.

I'm assuming he's not talking about stairs in general, but rather the stairs connecting Hightown to Lowtown, which are apparently a highly effective defensive position.

Instead, they're spread all over Kirkwall. It's asinine.

I would blame bioware more for this than the story, they didn't wish to add in the extra area. It would have been cool though if they had included it in.

[TEWR]

Sajuro wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They were there not defending the stairs we just saw Hawke casually walk up. Like idiots, they were defending the courtward that is spaceous enough to give the enemy the opportunity to bring more numbers to bear.

I think you missed the part where everytime we went up stairs we were attacked by more Qunari, and they would have wiped Hawke on company out if not for Meredith's timely intervention.

I'm assuming he's not talking about stairs in general, but rather the stairs connecting Hightown to Lowtown, which are apparently a highly effective defensive position.

Instead, they're spread all over Kirkwall. It's asinine.

As for why they didn't use their gas or explosives, who knows. Perhaps they had the means of creating some, but no delivery system on hand.

I am talking about those stairs and the area around them as well, if not for Meredith killing the Saarbas (sp) the Qunari would have killed Hawke and company, and it seems to me they had a small unit of Qunari including the Sten who were guarding the stairs area.

that "small unit" of Qunari was busy dragging more people to the Keep. When Hawke showed up, the Sten and the other Kossith were surprised to see him.

"So, the Arishok failed to capture you."

Which I find odd because the Arishok had to have made his way up the steps. He couldn't have bothered to tell these guys "Oh yea by the way, keep an eye out for Hawke. He's out there somewhere"

[Harid]

Incompetent villains? In a Bioware game? Perish the thought!

Not to say that other devs are any better, but come on.

Neminea wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

Of course
if the Qunari were shown blowing stuff up with gunpowder in DA2 the
critics would complain that the Kirkwall guard were so stupid they
allowed the Qunari to keep or make such a dangerous weapon that they
would be so vulnerable to.

Hehehehe I guess that would be true.

I may not be remembering all to well, but I was under the impression that the Qunari did not really allow people in their camp long enough to actively determine what was in the camp.  Hawke and Aveline were the only people regularly allowed in.  Furthermore, no one would have any idea what gunpowder looked like anyway.

Modifié par Harid, 17 août 2011 - 12:54 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sajuro wrote...
I am talking about those stairs and the area around them as well, if not for Meredith killing the Saarbas (sp) the Qunari would have killed Hawke and company, and it seems to me they had a small unit of Qunari including the Sten who were guarding the stairs area.

No, you are not, for we never fought in those stairs. Ergo, the qunari were not blocking and defending them. We see Hawke casually scale them.

If you read the previous posts, what I said is that what the Qunari were doing is (lousily) defending the entrances of those stairs, in courtwards, because they think giving the enemy space to bring more of their men to bear is smart. But they did not physically block the stairs, and take advantage of a damn funnel. A few sarebaas could have made the stairs unbreachable for a significant duration.

But no, they wait for you to walk up the stairs, and give you room to fight in a courtward. Why?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 août 2011 - 04:32 .

[Wulfram]

They were likely too busy fighting Orsino and the other mages to set up proper defences.

[alex90c]

Wulfram wrote...

They were likely too busy fighting Orsino and the other mages to set up proper defences.

Hence why when you reach the courtward a whole load of Qunari start attacking you?

[Zanallen]

How many Qunari could the Arishok hjave possibly had at his command? Personally, I think it is a miracle that they achieved what they did.

Modifié par Zanallen, 17 août 2011 - 10:48 .

[Cavalier753]

Long story short: He forgot.