Bit hard to be pro active when he has no knowledge that they're bad guys.LobselVith8 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's still Hawke being proactive, even if it's a failure.
If Hawke is proactive, why does he allow bad guys to walk away when it's within his power to stop them
Modifié par Morroian, 20 août 2011 - 12:36 .
LobselVith8 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's still Hawke being proactive, even if it's a failure.
If Hawke is proactive, why does he allow bad guys to walk away when it's within his power to stop them and do nothing about an oppressive dictatorship for three years?
IanPolaris wrote...
2. Because Hawke is not our character. He's DG's character that we are only allowed to rent for a few hours. I thought you understood that.
-Polaris
Persephone wrote...
Well, my Hawke just prevented the Templars from attacking the Dalish camp without spilling a drop of blood. (The Templars were out there to drag Fenyriel to the Circle)
Pretty pro-active, given that I could side with either, walk away or persuade the Templars to stand down. (Without threats, just wit! And this was an Aggro Hawke, heh!)
Persephone wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
2. Because Hawke is not our character. He's DG's character that we are only allowed to rent for a few hours. I thought you understood that.
-Polaris
Not my Hawke, Ian, definitely not.
IanPolaris wrote...
1. Hawke does know they are bad guys in many cases (to answer another poster)
2. Because Hawke is not our character. He's DG's character that we are only allowed to rent for a few hours. I thought you understood that.
Morroian wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
1. Hawke does know they are bad guys in many cases (to answer another poster)
2. Because Hawke is not our character. He's DG's character that we are only allowed to rent for a few hours. I thought you understood that.
1. The case I'm talking about Hawke does not know he's a bad guy yet he's being criticised as if he does.
2. All my Hawkes are totally my characters with the personailities I wanted to give them. Sorry that you are unable to role play within DA2 but the capability is there.
It does to me, you see there are different ways of role playing. And Hawke does make many decisions within the game that reflect his/her characterisation.IanPolaris wrote...
Sorry but other than the witticisms or lack of them, the "tone" of Hawke makes absolutely no difference to how he plays or how people react to him....
Lestatman wrote...
I just can't understand why Hawke doesn't question Isabela about her constantly leaving the party and making excuses every time you enter the Qunari Compound.
Morroian wrote...
It does to me, you see there are different ways of role playing. And Hawke does make many decisions within the game that reflect his/her characterisation.IanPolaris wrote...
Sorry but other than the witticisms or lack of them, the "tone" of Hawke makes absolutely no difference to how he plays or how people react to him....
IanPolaris wrote...
See post immediately above yours for exactly what I am talking about. Hawke SHOULD have the option to be proactive.
IanPolaris wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Well, my Hawke just prevented the Templars from attacking the Dalish camp without spilling a drop of blood. (The Templars were out there to drag Fenyriel to the Circle)
Pretty pro-active, given that I could side with either, walk away or persuade the Templars to stand down. (Without threats, just wit! And this was an Aggro Hawke, heh!)
Other than an extra fight, this entire scene makes no difference.
-Polaris
Morroian wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
See post immediately above yours for exactly what I am talking about. Hawke SHOULD have the option to be proactive.
The fact that the decisions he makes don't dictate the course of events doesn't prevent me at least from role playing.
The fact that the game doesn't always allow me full freedom to take action I personally would have, doesn't prevent me from role playing either, the same thing happened in DAO after all. Besides thats skewing pretty close to self insertion.
Modifié par Persephone, 20 août 2011 - 01:06 .
IanPolaris wrote...
Persephone wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
2. Because Hawke is not our character. He's DG's character that we are only allowed to rent for a few hours. I thought you understood that.
-Polaris
Not my Hawke, Ian, definitely not.
Really? Tell me what game altering decision your Hawke is allowed to make that he should be allowed to make given his noble status in Act 2-3 and Status as Champion in Act 3? That's right....that'd be a ZERO.
-Polaris
Persephone wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Well, my Hawke just prevented the Templars from attacking the Dalish camp without spilling a drop of blood. (The Templars were out there to drag Fenyriel to the Circle)
Pretty pro-active, given that I could side with either, walk away or persuade the Templars to stand down. (Without threats, just wit! And this was an Aggro Hawke, heh!)
Other than an extra fight, this entire scene makes no difference.
-Polaris
Like every major recruiting decision in DAO, you mean? Except for different looking pixels?
IanPolaris wrote...
Persephone wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Well, my Hawke just prevented the Templars from attacking the Dalish camp without spilling a drop of blood. (The Templars were out there to drag Fenyriel to the Circle)
Pretty pro-active, given that I could side with either, walk away or persuade the Templars to stand down. (Without threats, just wit! And this was an Aggro Hawke, heh!)
Other than an extra fight, this entire scene makes no difference.
-Polaris
Like every major recruiting decision in DAO, you mean? Except for different looking pixels?
On the contrary, the recuiting decisions often had rather large impacts on the overall world in DAO.
-Polaris
Persephone wrote...
Er, no. Except for a werewolf merchant and the Epilogue slideshow. Returning to Orzammar after either king's coronation changes nada. Recruiting the Hero Of River Dane is of little consequence either, as people will not even comment on it or bash the man while he is standing right next to my Warden.
Sure, I agree and hopefully DA3 is more balanced in that regard.Persephone wrote...
It adds a layer of realism that you cannot change everything with a click anymore. (Though I appreciated the choices with Feynriel, Anders etc.) I do not think it was a good idea to rip out world changing ideas either though, a little more balance would have been nice.
IanPolaris wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Er, no. Except for a werewolf merchant and the Epilogue slideshow. Returning to Orzammar after either king's coronation changes nada. Recruiting the Hero Of River Dane is of little consequence either, as people will not even comment on it or bash the man while he is standing right next to my Warden.
Not true. We hear in the game itself that Bhelen is changing rules and recuiting casteless into the military and Harrowmount isn't. That's a big change right there. The Golem decision has obvious long term consequences as does whether or not Alistair or Anora rules Fereldan (or if they do jointly). The changse might be minor with regard to the fight against the Archdemon, but they are large and meaningful changes to the world nevertheless.
-Polaris
Persephone wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Er, no. Except for a werewolf merchant and the Epilogue slideshow. Returning to Orzammar after either king's coronation changes nada. Recruiting the Hero Of River Dane is of little consequence either, as people will not even comment on it or bash the man while he is standing right next to my Warden.
Not true. We hear in the game itself that Bhelen is changing rules and recuiting casteless into the military and Harrowmount isn't. That's a big change right there. The Golem decision has obvious long term consequences as does whether or not Alistair or Anora rules Fereldan (or if they do jointly). The changse might be minor with regard to the fight against the Archdemon, but they are large and meaningful changes to the world nevertheless.
-Polaris
Hardly. We do not even KNOW the consequences of Hawke's decisions yet, as DAII did not opt for a slideshow. And even IF gossips blab about casteless being recruited, the numbers remain the same either way. Large changes? Not in my book.
Morroian wrote...
Sure, I agree and hopefully DA3 is more balanced in that regard.Persephone wrote...
It adds a layer of realism that you cannot change everything with a click anymore. (Though I appreciated the choices with Feynriel, Anders etc.) I do not think it was a good idea to rip out world changing ideas either though, a little more balance would have been nice.
Morroian wrote...
Sure, I agree and hopefully DA3 is more balanced in that regard.Persephone wrote...
It adds a layer of realism that you cannot change everything with a click anymore. (Though I appreciated the choices with Feynriel, Anders etc.) I do not think it was a good idea to rip out world changing ideas either though, a little more balance would have been nice.
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