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slimgrin wrote...

I don't know how anyone could sit through anime's like Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Grave of the Fireflies, or Gun Slinger Girl and say they are kids shows, or pretentious garbage, or tentacle porn, or whatever the f*ck they think. I happen to think the same of prime time TV and most of the dreck that comes out of Hollywood. The mods should just lock this thread instead of letting a bunch of closed-minded douchebags spout their opinions about something they know nothing about.

@ Capt Obvious: congrats on your blatant uninformed bias.

I agree with this.

There are over 100's of anime now and to say their all crap and poor makes me wonder what have these haters been watching. I think they just hate the art style.

[android654]

KenKenpachi wrote...

android654 wrote...

You're getting upset because someone doesn't care about your preferred medium, and yet everyone else is ignorant? I suppose I'd be more enlightened if I watched cartoons.

Nah, I don't think any amount of education or beatings would help you. You prove that point by calling it cartoons.

Also Opinions are like Ass holes, everyones got one, but that doesn't mean you have to share it.

The point of a discussion forum is to share opinions. If you don't like the exchange of opinions and only converse with people who aree with you, what do you get out of discussions? I fail to see what anime has to do with education. Beatings? this is the internet, don't embarass yourself by trying to sound tough.

slimgrin wrote...

android654 wrote...

You're getting upset because someone doesn't care about your preferred medium, and yet everyone else is ignorant? I suppose I'd be more enlightened if I watched cartoons.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed to post a 'let's bash Asian art thread', and yet that's what this is. As to you refering to them as cartoons, that's precisely the ignorance I'm talking about.

That's like saying, "Bashing Hollywood films is bashing American Art." But it isn't true. Every medium has things that have literary and artistic integrity and value. It just so happens for me, that with minimal exception, most of the anime I've seen isn't of even decent quality.

[Nerevar-as]

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

[quote]Get Magna Carter wrote...
I prefer the first because in it, music isn't some mystical brain-washing power. And the designs of everything was more sensible to boot.

Macross 7....yeauch. Just the name makes me feel nausiated.

[/quote]
In Macross Plus the music (from A.I. "Sharon Apple") had no more power than music in the real world
(i.e. selling records...filling seats at concerts)
(Sharon's special abilities came from being cybernetic and psychotic not from her singing)[/quote]

Plus was..ok. But it did have some hypno-thing going on.
Zero had great animation, but the story ending was awfull. Bird-humna? Wut?

[/quote]

The "bird" got kind of explained in Frontier. It also teased other loose ends from the saga without resolving them.

[android654]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Actaully they are BOTH animated movies and cartoons.
Cartoons is a term mostly used to refer to kiddie stuff.
Animated movies is geared towards more mature audience.

That's kind of a game of semantics. Graphic novels are still comic books, not matter how hard to cover is or how well the writing may be.

[Get Magna Carter]

but is it a real difference or is it just being pretentious?

Well, I'm happy with my cartoons, comics, and videogames
while you can have the animated movies, graphic novels and electronic entertainment

you say to-may-to I say to-mar-to...

[slimgrin]

android654 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Actaully they are BOTH animated movies and cartoons.
Cartoons is a term mostly used to refer to kiddie stuff.
Animated movies is geared towards more mature audience.

That's kind of a game of semantics. Graphic novels are still comic books, not matter how hard to cover is or how well the writing may be.

In Japan, Anime doesn't carry the cartoon label.

[KenKenpachi]

@android654

Oh its not sounding tough in some parts of the World, there is a view that if educating doesn't work, then physical punishment might. So I was covering all the bases. As to Embarassing myself, as you pointed out this is the net, why should I care what opinions you have of me? Even if it was not, why should I still? I have none, and should not. If you worry on how others see you and always shape yourself to that ideal you'll never get anywhere, or be anything.It will upset some, but you can't please everyone.

And last time I looked this was a social networking forum with rules and guidelines, not the debate network. As to your failings that is no problem of mine, you should work to improve yourself, I'm not Dr Phil. As to a "Dicussion" I'm more of the sort that sticks to my guns unless  there is a topic I wish to learn. Then I learn it and form my own opinions. I am not a whimsical person that fallows the nodding of heads. As to what I would get out of such a mindset? A clear picture of allies, adversaries and all points in between.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 31 décembre 2011 - 11:49 .

[android654]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

but is it a real difference or is it just being pretentious?

Well, I'm happy with my cartoons, comics, and videogames
while you can have the animated movies, graphic novels and electronic entertainment

you say to-may-to I say to-mar-to...

I think if you insist upon the terms, then it may be yes. If you feel the need to correct someone when they say movie, and you must insist they call it film. If someone calls japanese cartons, cartoons and you insist they cal it anime or Japanese animated serials or whatever other term makes it sound more sophisticated, then yes.

[slimgrin]

I'm sure all cartoons are for kids. And video games..kids stuff. I'm going to read Shakespeare now.

Modifié par slimgrin, 31 décembre 2011 - 11:51 .

[KenKenpachi]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm sure all cartoons are for kids. And video games..kids stuff. I'm going to read Shakespeare now.

Silly Rabbit Shakespeare is for kids. You have to read spreadsheets or the news paper.

[Jonp382]

I Ryukage I wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

Well as has been said before numerous times, there's a lot of crap in any art form. Not every film is as good as Blade Runner or 2001: A Space Odyssey, you know. Personally I enjoyed Berserk every bit as much as the former.

Berserk ftw

Agreed! I can't wait for the movies, even though they're nothing I haven't already seen. If only the manga could be finished within our lifetime, heh.

[I Ryukage I]

Jonp382 wrote...

I Ryukage I wrote...

Jonp382 wrote...

Well as has been said before numerous times, there's a lot of crap in any art form. Not every film is as good as Blade Runner or 2001: A Space Odyssey, you know. Personally I enjoyed Berserk every bit as much as the former.

Berserk ftw

Agreed! I can't wait for the movies, even though they're nothing I haven't already seen. If only the manga could be finished within our lifetime, heh.

I wish he'd get a team to help him but I guess it might drift off into something more that he doesn't want. Can't wait for the movies either, insta buys for me. 

I'm starting to get into Claymore a bit too after watching the anime. Need to read through the manga

[bussinrounds]

[slimgrin]

F*ck Norman Rockwell.

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 janvier 2012 - 03:26 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

android654 wrote...

With the exception of Ghost in the Shell, the rest of it is crap. Childish, pretentious garbage.

That's a rather broad statement to make. You watched all the anime ever made?
No?
Then don't make stupid statements. I've sen anime better than GITS. I wonder what you even watched?

There are tons of stuff better than GITS.

Not in terms of writing and the handling of social issues.

[Remmirath]

I do dislike anime in general, from what I have seen. This is because I dislike the art styles I have seen used, and the type of voice acting I have seen used in it. I dislike most other cartoons for similar reasons (although I dislike different things about those two categories, of course, as they aren't the same). They just aren't my kind of thing.

I won't say I dislike all anime, because I haven't seen it all - just as there are some other cartoons that I like, there might be some anime somewhere I would like and I simply haven't seen it. I wouldn't go looking for it, though, because I am unlikely to like it and would prefer to do other things to pass the time. I can safely say that in general I don't like it, however, because if there is some I like it would be the exception and not the rule.

[slimgrin]

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 janvier 2012 - 09:41 .

[Storm Farron]

Full Metal Alchemist: brotherhood is a really good anime. I think the thread should be "does anyone else dislike anime STYLE?"

[slimgrin]

nevermind.

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 janvier 2012 - 03:31 .

[1136342t54_]

Interesting a Anime thread. Has anyone come to the conclusion that a large majority of Anime sucks other than those few incredibly awesome shows that will pull you in and make you search though the piles of crap shows once more to find another diamond of a series again?

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 01 janvier 2012 - 04:23 .

[Skypezee]

I use to be really into it... you know the whole otaku phase of middle and high school. But now I'm at the point where I'm not really a huge fan of the generic anime style such as sparkly bug eyed creatures, exaggerated proportions, and anything that comes off as impractical. Yet I will admit to liking certain anime and manga that fall into that description such as the magical girl genre; it is a guilty pleasure of mine since that was what introduced me into anime as a kid. I also really love Hayao Miyazaki's films, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Emma,Zoids, Ronin Warriors, Gundam, Outlaw Star, and Wolf's Rain (just to name a few).

But in general though I'm not into anime or manga like I use to. Like Chris has stated before, it's just like any kind of western cartoon (by the way I will say this now, I will boot anyone in the head who insists that anime is not a cartoon). There are good anime and bad anime. I wont necessarily hate it for the art style (although it can annoy me depending on the style) but if it has a good story and great characters then I will enjoy it. Yet I will also express annoyance to any otaku who will like or love ANY anime or manga that is known to man because quite frankly that is silly and to me I have to question if they really enjoy the show for what it is rather or if they are just enjoying it for the aesthetics.

Modifié par Skypezee, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Plus was..ok. But it did have some hypno-thing going on.
Zero had great animation, but the story ending was awfull. Bird-humna? Wut?

The "bird" got kind of explained in Frontier. It also teased other loose ends from the saga without resolving them.

They can try to explain it all they want. The very idea was stupid as hell. If they removed the "bird-human" completely, Macross Zero could have been great.

[Lotion Soronarr]

android654 wrote...
The point of a discussion forum is to share opinions. If you don't like the exchange of opinions and only converse with people who aree with you, what do you get out of discussions? I fail to see what anime has to do with education. Beatings? this is the internet, don't embarass yourself by trying to sound tough.

Uninformed oppinions. Oppinions being factually false. Blanket Statements. That's what people don't like.

There's a huge amouint of variaty within anime - both in arty style and type of stories told. Heck, I porobably don't like 3/4 of the animes myself.

Yet saying all anime is crap is an inherently stupid statement.
It's like me saying all movies are crap after waching a few crappy ones, without bothering with the genre, director, budget, etc..

[Lotion Soronarr]

android654 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Actaully they are BOTH animated movies and cartoons.
Cartoons is a term mostly used to refer to kiddie stuff.
Animated movies is geared towards more mature audience.

That's kind of a game of semantics. Graphic novels are still comic books, not matter how hard to cover is or how well the writing may be.

Words have meaning. Semantics is sometimes important because of associations/connotations.
If I said ME is for kiddies, would you liek that? Would you agree with that or would you call me uninformed?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Some Geth wrote...There are tons of stuff better than GITS.

Not in terms of writing and the handling of social issues.

Makes me wonder what anime you watched.....