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[Clover Rider]

Yup.

[Gen. Grievous]

It pains me greatly to see that...

[Clover Rider]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

It pains me greatly to see that...

Why?

[C9316]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Oh, and C9316? Anime is THE MOST UNREALISTIC FORM OF TELIVISION IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!! TRUE STATEMENT!!!

So I assume you think all those tow truck shows and reality tv shows are completely real and not scripted? *Sigh*

[Clover Rider]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Hunter x Hunter, Death Note, Fist of the North Star, Bakuman, One Piece, Toriko, Saint Seiya, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, YuYu Hakusho and Level E

This. These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman. And don't even get me started with Dragon Ball Z. Seriously, did the fights have to be that long? And what's with all the screaming? There are tons of ways they could have made the scenes more dramatic and "badass" without the senseless screaming.

Naruto is also pretty bad; the story has been going on too long filled with too much melodrama while Jutsus have become the equivalent of deus ex machines and have thus, made the fights boring. 

One Piece is also a good example of what's wrong with anime. The story has been stretched out too far and the author puts so much stuff in one page that it's hard to keep track of what's going on(the Saboady Archipelago arc is a good example of this).

Death Note, Saint Seiya, Level E, etc are shows that I haven't watched(minus Yu Yu Hakusho), but I'm not going to watch them because I don't want to go through dozens of episodes worth of filler. 

I guess I'd add Fairy Tale, Bayblade, and some other anime show having to do with soccer to the lists of animes that I've seen and don't like, but those aren't published by Shonen Jump, I think.

Maybe someday, when I feel like it, I'll watch something like Cowboy Bebop and see if it's any good. But until then, I'm pretty adverse to anime.

Oh my what am I going to do with you?

Alright let us start, my list was of Shonen Jump manga that are good and/or not kiddy, you did not give any real reasons why they are bad you just said "These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman" now I want to know what genre are you talking about? Action, adventure, drama, comedy, horror, martial arts, fantasy, bangsian fantasy, supernatural, post-apocalyptic, psychological thriller, mystery, slice of life, romance I really want to know which genre out of the genres in my list are you talking about? and I will say I have not seen the anime of Bakuman but the manga is great, why do you not like it?

As for Dragon Ball Z none of what you said is in the manga as for the show the fights 'did" have to be long or else it catch up to the manga and have to end.

I don't see Naruto on my list? where did you see it? my take on Naruto it was okay for 18 volumes and even then it was just a rip off of Hunter x Hunter and as soon as HxH went on hiatus Naruto got bad funny right?

Now you say One Piece is what is wrong with anime and then talk about how the author puts so much stuff into a page when did he work on the anime? and when did anime have pages? and show me the "pages" you are talking about because I don't see what is wrong with the art, it is good to have things in the background or do you want it to have bad like Bleach?

Also since you did get up to the Saboady arc you should know by now One Piece is more about the adventure, the journey, not the destination.

Death Note had no filler save some bits in the episodes, Saint Seiya had one filler arc and some bits into the episode like Death Note if I recall, Level E is only 13 episode guess how much filler it has. Oh and I want to say Hunter x Hunter the first show had only 3 filler episodes and the new show has none but some meh music.

Fairy Tale and Bayblade are not in Shone Jump and was the soccer show Captain Tsubasa? because I find that one to be a cute anime/manga.

Now go watch Cowboy Bebop!

And I hate that this post is so long but to the people who say Marvel is good with death:lol::lol:

I did give real reasons. The first reason is that I don't want to watch a story that's too stretched out. In One Piece, there are literally hundreds of episodes and yet the crew still hasn't found, well, One Piece! I don't want to wait another couple hundred episodes just to see the end. That's asking way too much anyone(but not for the hardcore fans that love that show). DBZ itself could have ended once Frieza died, but the writer just made an Ass Pull and brought Goku back to life and then they fight more evil monsters. It doesn't help that the characters are brought back to life constantly. 

Oh, and sorry if you were confused by how I used the word "genre". When I think of anime, I think of it as a different type of cartoon(what seperates it from other cartoons is, of course, the style). As for Bakugan, well, maybe I should have read the manga(at least I won't have to deal with stupid filler) but I disliked the way the characters were drawn, that kid with the weird glasses(with a yellow shade) being a good example. The music also annoyed me. I haven't watched it extensively(only when it was on) so take that for what you will.

As for the reasoning you gave for why the fights in DBZ are long, I don't buy it. The animation studio should have waited for the manga to - what's the word? - get longer first. And either way, it still doesn't detract from the fact that the fights were long. Too long. Coupled by the fact that there was too much yelling. I know that people yell when they're in battle, but the voice actors went to the point of excess. In one of the fights, after Goku pummels Vegeta to a rock(plateau, mountain, or whatever rock formation it was) Vegata just lets out a huge scream that goes on for a minute. Or 30 seconds. Look, point is, it was long and overwhelming.

I admit I shouldn't have used the word "pages", especially in a topic talking about anime. Although I have read the manga back when I was in to Shonen Jump, and from what I remember the Saboady arc was very overwhelming. I think what I meant in my previous post was that there was too much going on and it became confusing. Oh, and I'm not just talking about the manga version of One Piece, but also the anime version as well.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with art, but Oda is also telling a story, not just making art. I want to be able to follow what's going on. Another thing that adds to the confusion is that Oda introduces way too many characters at once.

Also, adventure is fine. But when an adventure goes on too long, it becomes hard to care about the adventure. Or the characters that are in that adventure.

Another thing, I was only talking about the anime that I have seen. I clarified later in my post that I haven't seen Saint Seiya or Level E. I'm also aware(or at least I suspected) that Fairy Tale and Bayblade aren't Shonen Jump material. I was just talking about what anime I don't like. 

And maybe I will watch Cowboy Bebop when I have the time and interest. I mean, I do have the interest but that interest is superseded by other interests.

Well it took you long enough... but here goes.

Again the point of One Piece is the adventure(also camaraderie) if you don't get that you don't get One Piece. It really is not asking much for people to watch that many episodes do you think Stargate SG-1 was too long with it's 214 episodes and only hardcore fans were watching it? how about The X-Files and it's 202 episodes? or Lost? or The Simpsons? and you forget One Piece is a manga first with only what 17 or so pages a week? that takes no time at all!

Now I will say if One Piece had a "Kai" show one day it would cut down the episodes sure but it will still be long.

And you still did not give me any more real reasons why my list was bad.

Dragon Ball itself could have ended at the end of the 3rd Tenkaich, but the writer had more ideas. also there was no ass pull at the end of the Freeza arc since Son Goku never died(Freeza too) at the end of the arc it only took 1 chapters to know this. As for the characters coming back to life? Cyborg 16 is dead for good no way for him to come back and why do you think the writer was giving the bad guys(Boo) power to make sure they can kill you for good even in death?

Who said anything about Bakugan? that is the show about toys right? who cares about it I was talking about BAKUMAN.

Toei should have waited yes but the fact is they did not just like with all the shows they make One Piece and Toriko are the same, so you are going to get filler but hey it's better than what Pierrot+ did with the Beelzebub anime...

And One Piece's art makes sense manga and anime you are just not used to manga art is my guess.

The only time Oda had a lot of new characters show up at once was when we see the 11 Supernovas in the Sabody arc and it had no confusion to it.

Sure adventure can become like that if you bad at it, Oda is not bad at and still has more ideas.

Now go watch Cowboy Bebop.

Modifié par Some Geth, 02 janvier 2012 - 11:37 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

By the way Arian...
How can you be a Star Wars fan and still think the Illusive man has the right idea???
Star Wars revolves around EXRATERRESTRIALS!!! NOT A HUMAN SUPREMACIST GALAXY!!!

In ME2 he has the right Idea. Blame the Bioware ... Nuff said

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Oh, and C9316? Anime is THE MOST UNREALISTIC FORM OF TELIVISION IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!! TRUE STATEMENT!!!

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 03 janvier 2012 - 10:19 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Capt. Obvious wrote...


This. These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman. And don't even get me started with Dragon Ball Z. Seriously, did the fights have to be that long? And what's with all the screaming? There are tons of ways they could have made the scenes more dramatic and "badass" without the senseless screaming.

Naruto is also pretty bad; the story has been going on too long filled with too much melodrama while Jutsus have become the equivalent of deus ex machines and have thus, made the fights boring. 

One Piece is also a good example of what's wrong with anime. The story has been stretched out too far and the author puts so much stuff in one page that it's hard to keep track of what's going on(the Saboady Archipelago arc is a good example of this).

Death Note, Saint Seiya, Level E, etc are shows that I haven't watched(minus Yu Yu Hakusho), but I'm not going to watch them because I don't want to go through dozens of episodes worth of filler. 

I guess I'd add Fairy Tale, Bayblade, and some other anime show having to do with soccer to the lists of animes that I've seen and don't like, but those aren't published by Shonen Jump, I think.

Maybe someday, when I feel like it, I'll watch something like Cowboy Bebop and see if it's any good. But until then, I'm pretty adverse to anime.

Shonen anime? It is  crappy as a general rule..exceptions of course, do exist.

I don't like DBZ myself.
One Piece has it's moments, but i'ts the same thing. And they type of protagonist like Luffy..I hate em.
Naruto is very bad.
Bleach too.

Death Note is..interesting. It does get drawn out with some really hard to belive moves the guys pull out, but it has a memorable ending. Not bad.

Saint Seiya..my guilty pleasure. Love the characters, love the mythology, love the very idea - but the execution is hit-or-miss. Some parts have great writing, others have horrible one. Animation quality and art style do a lot of shifting between chapters. The first series (60 episodes) and Lost Canvas are the best in that regard, others like Hades have bad animation/art IMHO, with stretched proportions and skewed perspective. Also bird run. BIRD RUN! And it also has the worst Deus Ex Machina I seen.
The main character in both the original and Lost Canvas is a unlikable doofus Mary Sue, but the other characters are good enough that you can ignore him..mostly. One of the better Shonen animes out there anywhoo..

Fate Stay Night/Unlimited Bladeworks....interesting idea, execution is..lacking. At moments is is terrifingly stupid and confusing. And has gender-bending for no other reason than to have more women. Archer is interesting (and a good fight with berserker), Shiryu is a doofus.

Things like Bakukan and BayBlade are brain poison. I wouldn't even let my kids watch that (if I had kids).

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 janvier 2012 - 07:56 .

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Capt. Obvious wrote...


This. These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman. And don't even get me started with Dragon Ball Z. Seriously, did the fights have to be that long? And what's with all the screaming? There are tons of ways they could have made the scenes more dramatic and "badass" without the senseless screaming.

Naruto is also pretty bad; the story has been going on too long filled with too much melodrama while Jutsus have become the equivalent of deus ex machines and have thus, made the fights boring. 

One Piece is also a good example of what's wrong with anime. The story has been stretched out too far and the author puts so much stuff in one page that it's hard to keep track of what's going on(the Saboady Archipelago arc is a good example of this).

Death Note, Saint Seiya, Level E, etc are shows that I haven't watched(minus Yu Yu Hakusho), but I'm not going to watch them because I don't want to go through dozens of episodes worth of filler. 

I guess I'd add Fairy Tale, Bayblade, and some other anime show having to do with soccer to the lists of animes that I've seen and don't like, but those aren't published by Shonen Jump, I think.

Maybe someday, when I feel like it, I'll watch something like Cowboy Bebop and see if it's any good. But until then, I'm pretty adverse to anime.

Shonen anime? It is  crappy as a general rule..exceptions of course, do exist.

I don't like DBZ myself.
One Piece has it's moments, but i'ts the same thing. And they type of protagonist like Luffy..I hate em.
Naruto is very bad.
Bleach too.

Death Note is..interesting. It does get drawn out with some really hard to belive moves the guys pull out, but it has a memorable ending. Not bad.

Saint Seiya..my guilty pleasure. Love the characters, love the mythology, love the very idea - but the execution is hit-or-miss. Some parts have great writing, others have horrible one. Animation quality and art style do a lot of shifting between chapters. The first series (60 episodes) and Lost Canvas are the best in that regard, others like Hades have bad animation/art IMHO, with stretched proportions and skewed perspective. Also bird run. BIRD RUN! And it also has the worst Deus Ex Machina I seen.
The main character in both the original and Lost Canvas is a unlikable doofus Mary Sue, but the other characters are good enough that you can ignore him..mostly. One of the better Shonen animes out there anywhoo..

Fate Stay Night/Unlimited Bladeworks....interesting idea, execution is..lacking. At moments is is terrifingly stupid and confusing. And has gender-bending for no other reason than to have more women. Archer is interesting (and a good fight with berserker), Shiryu is a doofus.

Things like Bakukan and BayBlade are brain poison. I wouldn't even let my kids watch that (if I had kids).

Most shonen manga/anime is good if you know where to look.

And One Piece is the very soul of shonen at this point. You hate a protagonist that knows who he is and knows the right things to say? but still can show weaknees and grow from it? or a protagomist that only could make a scene like this work?  (two videos)  well?

Also you say One Piece has it's moments, yet you hate Luffy, who as a character is the big draw of One Piece. I don't know, I just don't get it.

Oh and read Level E, Hunter x Hunter, Bakuman and FMA if you want really good shonen.

Modifié par Some Geth, 03 janvier 2012 - 09:32 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

 Speaking of Anime, this is so much WIN
 

Animation and design is ok, but it's so full of pretensious bulls*** and mindf*** that it left a sour taste in my mouth.

*shrug* I understood it. Sure beats predictable and cliche anime.
Personally I found the Eva series more pretentious and incomprehensible than Ergo Proxy.

[Nerevar-as]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Saint Seiya..my guilty pleasure. Love the characters, love the mythology, love the very idea - but the execution is hit-or-miss. Some parts have great writing, others have horrible one. Animation quality and art style do a lot of shifting between chapters. The first series (60 episodes) and Lost Canvas are the best in that regard, others like Hades have bad animation/art IMHO, with stretched proportions and skewed perspective. Also bird run. BIRD RUN! And it also has the worst Deus Ex Machina I seen.
The main character in both the original and Lost Canvas is a unlikable doofus Mary Sue, but the other characters are good enough that you can ignore him..mostly. One of the better Shonen animes out there anywhoo..

What does that mean?

And it seems nobody likes Seiya, even Shun is more popular.

About why fights in most shonen are that long, a reason is they adapt the manga too closely and there´s no material. DBZ had chapters about 20 pg long that you read in about 5 min. From that they made 20 min episodes. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Saint Seiya..my guilty pleasure. Love the characters, love the mythology, love the very idea - but the execution is hit-or-miss. Some parts have great writing, others have horrible one. Animation quality and art style do a lot of shifting between chapters. The first series (60 episodes) and Lost Canvas are the best in that regard, others like Hades have bad animation/art IMHO, with stretched proportions and skewed perspective. Also bird run. BIRD RUN! And it also has the worst Deus Ex Machina I seen.
The main character in both the original and Lost Canvas is a unlikable doofus Mary Sue, but the other characters are good enough that you can ignore him..mostly. One of the better Shonen animes out there anywhoo..

What does that mean?

And it seems nobody likes Seiya, even Shun is more popular.

About why fights in most shonen are that long, a reason is they adapt the manga too closely and there´s no material. DBZ had chapters about 20 pg long that you read in about 5 min. From that they made 20 min episodes. 

It means runing with haned strethed out, either to either side, or at the back. It looks retarded.

Fights in Saint Seiya are usually done within 1 or two spisodes.
The longest fight (Phoenix Ikki vs. Virgo Shaka) I know is 3 episodes, but makes prefect sense given the combatants - one is the man closest to a god in power an the mightiest Gold Saint, and the other is a night-unkillable badass and the strongest of the 5-man cast.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 janvier 2012 - 02:23 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...
*shrug* I understood it. Sure beats predictable and cliche anime.
Personally I found the Eva series more pretentious and incomprehensible than Ergo Proxy.

Mayhaps I'm too hard on it.
It's not that I dont' understand hte plot, it's just that I find it...stupid. Jsut not my thing  I guess, but it's isn't a bad anime by any stretch.


EVA....yeesh. I vieweved the first several episodes as a comedy/action and it was Ok.
But the closer it came to the end the more redicoloous it became. It jumpedhte hsark with that "sink battleship and ram then inside the mouth of fish-enemy" plan.
It went compeltely off the deep end and into mind*** territory in the last two episodes. IIRC; the writer/director was confined to a mental institution for a while... It shows.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Some Geth wrote...

Most shonen manga/anime is good if you know where to look.

And One Piece is the very soul of shonen at this point. You hate a protagonist that knows who he is and knows the right things to say? but still can show weaknees and grow from it? or a protagomist that only could make a scene like this work?  (two videos)  well?

Also you say One Piece has it's moments, yet you hate Luffy, who as a character is the big draw of One Piece. I don't know, I just don't get it.

Oh and read Level E, Hunter x Hunter, Bakuman and FMA if you want really good shonen.

No, I don't like Luffy. I don't like his desposition, I don't like his stupid grin... I don't think there's almost anything I like about him at all. If there's one character I like it's Zoro.
And given that band aid fixes everythnig and people never die (even from nukes and being cut a dozen times by a sword bigger than them), you have to excuse me if it comes off as childish.

Of course, most shonene suffers from this in some degree or another...

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 janvier 2012 - 04:40 .

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Most shonen manga/anime is good if you know where to look.

And One Piece is the very soul of shonen at this point. You hate a protagonist that knows who he is and knows the right things to say? but still can show weaknees and grow from it? or a protagomist that only could make a scene like this work?  (two videos)  well?

Also you say One Piece has it's moments, yet you hate Luffy, who as a character is the big draw of One Piece. I don't know, I just don't get it.

Oh and read Level E, Hunter x Hunter, Bakuman and FMA if you want really good shonen.

No, I don't like Luffy. I don't like his desposition, I don't like his stupid grin... I don't think there's almost anything I like about him at all. If there's one character I like it's Zoro.
And given that band aid fixes everythnig and people never die (even from nukes and being cut a dozen times by a sword bigger than them), you have to excuse me if it comes off as childish.

Of course, most shonene suffers from this in some degree or another...

Funny, since Zoro is a lot like Luffy in many ways... and the things you hate aboiut him... I am sorry but you come off like you know next to nothing about him or One Piece.

And no one has died in the ways you said... now a lava fist can kill...

Also shonen is childish because what do you think shonen is?

Modifié par Some Geth, 03 janvier 2012 - 09:29 .

[Gen. Grievous]

GD it, I hate anime...

[Gen. Grievous]

Some Geth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Most shonen manga/anime is good if you know where to look.

And One Piece is the very soul of shonen at this point. You hate a protagonist that knows who he is and knows the right things to say? but still can show weaknees and grow from it? or a protagomist that only could make a scene like this work?  (two videos)  well?

Also you say One Piece has it's moments, yet you hate Luffy, who as a character is the big draw of One Piece. I don't know, I just don't get it.

Oh and read Level E, Hunter x Hunter, Bakuman and FMA if you want really good shonen.

No, I don't like Luffy. I don't like his desposition, I don't like his stupid grin... I don't think there's almost anything I like about him at all. If there's one character I like it's Zoro.
And given that band aid fixes everythnig and people never die (even from nukes and being cut a dozen times by a sword bigger than them), you have to excuse me if it comes off as childish.

Of course, most shonene suffers from this in some degree or another...

Funny, since Zoro is a lot like Luffy in many ways... and the things you hate aboiut him... I am sorry but you come off like you know next to nothing about him or One Piece.

And no one has died in the ways you said... now a lava fist can kill...

Also shonen is childish because what do you think shonen is?

Look at that. That is what happens when you get into anime. SENSELESS CONVERSATION. NOISE TO MY EARS!

[Clover Rider]

Modifié par Some Geth, 03 janvier 2012 - 10:05 .

[The Hierophant]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

GD it, I hate anime...

What's  your take on manga?

[Gen. Grievous]

Exactly. The anime universes are so mind-blowingly, vastly strange and stupid, that NO ONE knows what they are talking about.

[Clover Rider]

Anime? I like manga better, my good man.

And it's only senseless if both people in the conversation are stupid and don't know anything, Soronnar does not come off as stupid but knows little of this Monkey D. Luffy man and the wonder of the manga world he comes from, I do know and I am not stupid if I recall.

Modifié par Some Geth, 03 janvier 2012 - 10:09 .

[Gen. Grievous]

If anyone did know what they were talking about, they would be the most obsessed, sadly brain-damaged person(s) I had ever met.

[Clover Rider]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

If anyone did know what they were talking about, they would be the most obsessed, sadly brain-damaged person(s) I had ever met.

Who watches the watchmen?

Modifié par Some Geth, 03 janvier 2012 - 10:11 .

[Gen. Grievous]

Some Geth.

I know not what logic you harbor, but it is quite sad, really.

[Clover Rider]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Some Geth.

I know not what logic you harbor, but it is quite sad, really.

You lost the test...