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Does anyone else dislike anime?

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 12:29

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I like anime.

Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is my favorite.

I also watch One Piece, altough the stroy is a little to stretched... but it's entertained and that's what counts.

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 12:50

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Since this has become the anime thread...

I'm looking for a decent anime or manga, series or single movie to watch. I don't have much of a criteria except for it must be targetted at a more 'mature' audience and on the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism be heavily on the cynical side.

And yes I already like Berserk.

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 01:41

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GodWood wrote...

Since this has become the anime thread...

I'm looking for a decent anime or manga, series or single movie to watch. I don't have much of a criteria except for it must be targetted at a more 'mature' audience and on the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism be heavily on the cynical side.

And yes I already like Berserk.

This list is of just manga, Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind, Lone Wolf and Cub, Vagabond, Vinland Saga, 20th Century Boys, Legend of the Strongest Man Kurosawa(the art will fool you but it is mature), Black Jack, Phoenix(has no ending..), Dante Shinkyoku(Manga adaptation of Dante Alighieri's classic work "The Divine Comedy"), Pluto and it may not look "mature" or come off as it all the time(and when it does it does...) but Hunter x Hunter is a great read and has it's good share of cynicism since I know you love that.

Anyway most of this list may not be on the cynical side or they get past it but still all of them are great reads and for the mature, hope you pick one or all of them.:wizard:

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 02:08

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I used to be a huge fan of animé back in the 80s and the 90s. But since then the animé gotten more and more about shallow harem fanservice rather about some epic awesome fantasy/sci-fi storytelling.

I think some magic with the art style gone missing too, after it all started to get made on computers. Many animés look so plain nowdays, without any personality of their own. This illustrate the issue perfectly.

Although I guess it's possible that a large chunk of animés always been like this, just that only the good stuff was released outside of Japan back then but now we get the junk too so we have to filter thru all the junk. But at the same time, maybe not, as even the quality of the Ghibli movies gone down over the past couple of years. It now been plenty of years since I saw something I felt was worth watching.

It's not just the animé that gone bad either, but the JRPGs too. Too much junk there nowdays compared to the SNES/PS1/PS2 days, although Radiant Historia from last year was very excellent so not all hope is lost, fortunately.

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 02:16

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Kazutoyo wrote...

I used to be a huge fan of animé back in the 80s and the 90s. But since then the animé gotten more and more about shallow harem fanservice rather about some epic awesome fantasy/sci-fi storytelling.

I think some magic with the art style gone missing too, after it all started to get made on computers. Many animés look so plain nowdays, without any personality of their own. This illustrate the issue perfectly.

Although I guess it's possible that a large chunk of animés always been like this, just that only the good stuff was released outside of Japan back then but now we get the junk too so we have to filter thru all the junk. But at the same time, maybe not, as even the quality of the Ghibli movies gone down over the past couple of years. It now been plenty of years since I saw something I felt was worth watching.
It's not just the animé that gone bad either, but the JRPGs too. Too much junk there nowdays compared to the SNES/PS1/PS2 days, although Radiant Historia from last year was very excellent so not all hope is lost, fortunately.

The magic being gone is because the technology is better and the reason for all the fanservice shows is because they make the most money.

The only fantasy anime that really makes money is One Piece but then again it makes more money than almost all anime and manga combined...

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 05:02

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 05:10

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GodWood wrote...

And yes I already like Berserk.


Darn..... well I haven't really been watching anime or reading manga much (not that I used to read anything beyond Berserk anyway)  Claymore is suppose to be decent, I watched the Gungrave series, about 26 episodes.... I'd give it a 7/10.. maybe 8/10, but it's watchable I think. Can't think of anything else others haven't said...

EDIT: A few episodes into Gungrave is when I started liking it a bit better, don't want to spoil anything if you ever decide to watch it

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 08:01

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Kazutoyo wrote...

I used to be a huge fan of animé back in the 80s and the 90s. But since then the animé gotten more and more about shallow harem fanservice rather about some epic awesome fantasy/sci-fi storytelling.

I think some magic with the art style gone missing too, after it all started to get made on computers. Many animés look so plain nowdays, without any personality of their own. This illustrate the issue perfectly.


It illustrates what?

Don 'get me wrong - I prefer the more "realistic" stlyes where proportions and more normal, but i'ts not like that style is totally gone. Rarer? yes.

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 08:04

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kazutoyo wrote...

I used to be a huge fan of animé back in the 80s and the 90s. But since then the animé gotten more and more about shallow harem fanservice rather about some epic awesome fantasy/sci-fi storytelling.

I think some magic with the art style gone missing too, after it all started to get made on computers. Many animés look so plain nowdays, without any personality of their own. This illustrate the issue perfectly.


It illustrates what?

Don 'get me wrong - I prefer the more "realistic" stlyes where proportions and more normal, but i'ts not like that style is totally gone. Rarer? yes.

If anything the boring "realistic" stlyes are everywhere now.:whistle:

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 08:27

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Wut? Are you trippin?

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 08:46

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Wut? Are you trippin?

No most anime/manga character art nowadays would make Go Nagai roll over in his grave and he's not even dead! it's that unoringinal.

Characters look so boring now my soul of art is put into a sleep that it should never be in.

I think we need more stuff that looks like Soul Eater(the anime) and for manga something more Fist of the North Star like, just my view but there it is.:?

Or maybe it's because I still hate sh!t like Gantz and Bleach(the manga of them).

Modifié par Some Geth, 05 janvier 2012 - 08:48 .

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 10:10

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You are trippin. The realistic styles aren't common at all. They were more common in the older days. Body proportions, head, eyes size, etc..

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 10:22

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You are trippin. The realistic styles aren't common at all. They were more common in the older days. Body proportions, head, eyes size, etc..

I don't trip. I said boring "realistic" styles(think Durarara!!), your thinking more of what you said body proportions and stuff like Cowboy Bebop and those styles never were are that common back in the old days but then again I am probably thinking more of manga.

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 11:27

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Kazutoyo wrote...

I used to be a huge fan of animé back in the 80s and the 90s. But since then the animé gotten more and more about shallow harem fanservice rather about some epic awesome fantasy/sci-fi storytelling.

I think some magic with the art style gone missing too, after it all started to get made on computers. Many animés look so plain nowdays, without any personality of their own. This illustrate the issue perfectly.

Although I guess it's possible that a large chunk of animés always been like this, just that only the good stuff was released outside of Japan back then but now we get the junk too so we have to filter thru all the junk. But at the same time, maybe not, as even the quality of the Ghibli movies gone down over the past couple of years. It now been plenty of years since I saw something I felt was worth watching.

It's not just the animé that gone bad either, but the JRPGs too. Too much junk there nowdays compared to the SNES/PS1/PS2 days, although Radiant Historia from last year was very excellent so not all hope is lost, fortunately.


Ever watched Death Note or Code Geass? Pretty good, though between them Death Note is probably the better one.

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 02:09

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not so much hate it but i grew out of it. loved it as a preteen and teenager but just couldn't get back into it after college. i'll like specific series, sure, but all anime, no thanks. it's kind of like saying do you like/dislike movies? it's a yes and no type of scenario.

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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 03:23

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Prefer manga to anime if I had to choose. I hate getting into new series and almost all the art styles make me wanna throw up so I don't really like it in general though but some series are just too much plain awesomeness to pass up on.

Berserk, Monster, Claymore, Code Geass, Death Note, Baccano and FMA:B are my favourite ones. Also have a bit of a minor thing in secret for cute/heartbreaking relationship stuff like Clannad: After Story and Dengeki Daisy ^_^

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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 03:45

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I prefer anime over manga. Usually manga stories are more convoluted and even more over-the-top.

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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 03:50

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Japs are crazy.

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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 03:52

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gastovski wrote...

Japs are crazy.


You must be looking for a ban.

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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 07:58

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I prefer anime over manga. Usually manga stories are more convoluted and even more over-the-top.

Not really, just look at the list I gave GodWood, yeah that Lone Wolf and Cub is super convoluted and over-the-top and not at all a masterpiece.=]

And by the way I have never seen an anime(and we are talking about great works here) be better than a manga(again great works).:whistle:

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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 09:00

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I don't know what you have seen, I know what I have seen. The few mangas I have read were more over-the-top then the anime adaptation.

And besides, I prefer moving pictures, voice and color over black and white and mediocre art.

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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 09:05

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I think Black Butler is quite good.

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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 09:19

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't know what you have seen, I know what I have seen. The few mangas I have read were more over-the-top then the anime adaptation.

And besides, I prefer moving pictures, voice and color over black and white and mediocre art.

Look at this thread you will see a bit of what I have read, the anime adaptaions are more over-the-top(and with bad filler) than the manga always.

Yeah you like the moving pictures, voice and color like a baby or kid likes having keys in their face... and again that Lone Wolf and Cub sure has mediocre art!=]

I think you know nothing of manga and art is what I am saying, so go read Bakuman or something.<_<

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Some Geth wrote...

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Hunter x Hunter, Death Note, Fist of the North Star, Bakuman, One Piece, Toriko, Saint Seiya, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, YuYu Hakusho and Level E


This. These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman. And don't even get me started with Dragon Ball Z. Seriously, did the fights have to be that long? And what's with all the screaming? There are tons of ways they could have made the scenes more dramatic and "badass" without the senseless screaming.

Naruto is also pretty bad; the story has been going on too long filled with too much melodrama while Jutsus have become the equivalent of deus ex machines and have thus, made the fights boring. 

One Piece is also a good example of what's wrong with anime. The story has been stretched out too far and the author puts so much stuff in one page that it's hard to keep track of what's going on(the Saboady Archipelago arc is a good example of this).

Death Note, Saint Seiya, Level E, etc are shows that I haven't watched(minus Yu Yu Hakusho), but I'm not going to watch them because I don't want to go through dozens of episodes worth of filler. 

I guess I'd add Fairy Tale, Bayblade, and some other anime show having to do with soccer to the lists of animes that I've seen and don't like, but those aren't published by Shonen Jump, I think.

Maybe someday, when I feel like it, I'll watch something like Cowboy Bebop and see if it's any good. But until then, I'm pretty adverse to anime.

Oh my what am I going to do with you?

Alright let us start, my list was of Shonen Jump manga that are good and/or not kiddy, you did not give any real reasons why they are bad you just said "These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman" now I want to know what genre are you talking about? Action, adventure, drama, comedy, horror, martial arts, fantasy, bangsian fantasy, supernatural, post-apocalyptic, psychological thriller, mystery, slice of life, romance I really want to know which genre out of the genres in my list are you talking about? and I will say I have not seen the anime of Bakuman but the manga is great, why do you not like it?

As for Dragon Ball Z none of what you said is in the manga as for the show the fights 'did" have to be long or else it catch up to the manga and have to end.

I don't see Naruto on my list? where did you see it? my take on Naruto it was okay for 18 volumes and even then it was just a rip off of Hunter x Hunter and as soon as HxH went on hiatus Naruto got bad funny right?=]

Now you say One Piece is what is wrong with anime and then talk about how the author puts so much stuff into a page when did he work on the anime? and when did anime have pages? and show me the "pages" you are talking about because I don't see what is wrong with the art, it is good to have things in the background or do you want it to have bad like Bleach?

Also since you did get up to the Saboady arc you should know by now One Piece is more about the adventure, the journey, not the destination.

Death Note had no filler save some bits in the episodes, Saint Seiya had one filler arc and some bits into the episode like Death Note if I recall, Level E is only 13 episode guess how much filler it has. Oh and I want to say Hunter x Hunter the first show had only 3 filler episodes and the new show has none but some meh music.

Fairy Tale and Bayblade are not in Shone Jump and was the soccer show Captain Tsubasa? because I find that one to be a cute anime/manga.

Now go watch Cowboy Bebop!

And I hate that this post is so long but to the people who say Marvel is good with death:lol::lol::lol:


I did give real reasons. The first reason is that I don't want to watch a story that's too stretched out. In One Piece, there are literally hundreds of episodes and yet the crew still hasn't found, well, One Piece! I don't want to wait another couple hundred episodes just to see the end. That's asking way too much anyone(but not for the hardcore fans that love that show). DBZ itself could have ended once Frieza died, but the writer just made an Ass Pull and brought Goku back to life and then they fight more evil monsters. It doesn't help that the characters are brought back to life constantly. 

Oh, and sorry if you were confused by how I used the word "genre". When I think of anime, I think of it as a different type of cartoon(what seperates it from other cartoons is, of course, the style). As for Bakugan, well, maybe I should have read the manga(at least I won't have to deal with stupid filler) but I disliked the way the characters were drawn, that kid with the weird glasses(with a yellow shade) being a good example. The music also annoyed me. I haven't watched it extensively(only when it was on) so take that for what you will.

As for the reasoning you gave for why the fights in DBZ are long, I don't buy it. The animation studio should have waited for the manga to - what's the word? - get longer first. And either way, it still doesn't detract from the fact that the fights were long. Too long. Coupled by the fact that there was too much yelling. I know that people yell when they're in battle, but the voice actors went to the point of excess. In one of the fights, after Goku pummels Vegeta to a rock(plateau, mountain, or whatever rock formation it was) Vegata just lets out a huge scream that goes on for a minute. Or 30 seconds. Look, point is, it was long and overwhelming.

I admit I shouldn't have used the word "pages", especially in a topic talking about anime. Although I have read the manga back when I was in to Shonen Jump, and from what I remember the Saboady arc was very overwhelming. I think what I meant in my previous post was that there was too much going on and it became confusing. Oh, and I'm not just talking about the manga version of One Piece, but also the anime version as well.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with art, but Oda is also telling a story, not just making art. I want to be able to follow what's going on. Another thing that adds to the confusion is that Oda introduces way too many characters at once.

Also, adventure is fine. But when an adventure goes on too long, it becomes hard to care about the adventure. Or the characters that are in that adventure.

Another thing, I was only talking about the anime that I have seen. I clarified later in my post that I haven't seen Saint Seiya or Level E. I'm also aware(or at least I suspected) that Fairy Tale and Bayblade aren't Shonen Jump material. I was just talking about what anime I don't like. 

And maybe I will watch Cowboy Bebop when I have the time and interest. I mean, I do have the interest but that interest is superseded by other interests.

Well it took you long enough... but here goes.

Again the point of One Piece is the adventure(also camaraderie) if you don't get that you don't get One Piece. It really is not asking much for people to watch that many episodes do you think Stargate SG-1 was too long with it's 214 episodes and only hardcore fans were watching it? how about The X-Files and it's 202 episodes? or Lost? or The Simpsons? and you forget One Piece is a manga first with only what 17 or so pages a week? that takes no time at all!

Now I will say if One Piece had a "Kai" show one day it would cut down the episodes sure but it will still be long.

And you still did not give me any more real reasons why my list was bad.

Dragon Ball itself could have ended at the end of the 3rd Tenkaich, but the writer had more ideas. also there was no ass pull at the end of the Freeza arc since Son Goku never died(Freeza too) at the end of the arc it only took 1 chapters to know this. As for the characters coming back to life? Cyborg 16 is dead for good no way for him to come back and why do you think the writer was giving the bad guys(Boo) power to make sure they can kill you for good even in death?

Who said anything about Bakugan? that is the show about toys right? who cares about it I was talking about BAKUMAN.

Toei should have waited yes but the fact is they did not just like with all the shows they make One Piece and Toriko are the same, so you are going to get filler but hey it's better than what Pierrot+ did with the Beelzebub anime...

And One Piece's art makes sense manga and anime you are just not used to manga art is my guess.

The only time Oda had a lot of new characters show up at once was when we see the 11 Supernovas in the Sabody arc and it had no confusion to it.

Sure adventure can become like that if you bad at it, Oda is not bad at and still has more ideas.

Now go watch Cowboy Bebop.=]


I understand that One Piece is about the adventure, but not only does it have character arcs to advance, but it needs an ending. It's asking someone too much to watch all 1,000 episodes of One Piece and before you say anything, I know that there aren't over 1,000 episodes of One Piece...yet. What separates One Piece from SG-1 is that One Piece has over 500 episodes with still no end in site. SG-1 has an ending. It doesn't drag on too long. 

Oh, and Lost is being panned because it DOESN'T HAVE AN ENDING. Well, it does, but it has a rather ****ty ending. Hell, Lost was getting bad even before the ending. Why? Because it was dragged on too long. The Simpsons is a good example of a show that's also gone on too long. Let's face it: when was the last time you heard someone laughing about some scene in some recent Simpsons episode? The One Piece manga has also gone on too long. Some shows can still be good while going through its 200th episode. One Piece, on the other hand, is excessive. We're not talking about 200 or 300 episodes, but over 500 episodes, and who the hell knows when it's going to end? 

Even if One Piece had already ended, I would still take issue with the fact that the fights are dragged on too long. Avatar: The Last Airbender is a good example of an anime done right. Well, technically, it's not an anime as it's a Western cartoon(an anime would be a Japanese cartoon), but it's like an anime. The fights that the characters have against their opponents are like the same fights that happen in One Piece or DBZ or Yu Yu Hakusho with the exception being that in Avatar, they get to the point. In the Season 2 finale of Avatar, when Zuko and Azula were fighting Aang and Katara, the fighting was straight to the point. It wasn't 3 episodes long or 6 episodes, but to the point. And if you ask me, that fight had more substance than the entire Goku vs. Frieza battle. Come to think of it, why can't Shonen anime be more like Avatar: The Last Airbender? Or at least, why can't the fights be more short?

Again, just to clarify, I only dislike this so called "Shonen" anime. I haven't seen the other three categories of anime. I'll get to watching Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop eventually. And what the writer of DBZ did was an Ass Pull because even after all the punishment Frieza took, he's still alive. I'm sorry, but that's insulting to the reader. Can you imagine how pissed off everyone would be if Emperor Palpatine didn't die after Darth Vader threw him in the reactor shaft, but survived? Well, don't answer that question, because that's exactly what happened in one of the Expanded Universe novels that took place after Return of the Jedi, and believe me, people are still pissed off about it. 

Also, 16 is just one character. We barely even got to know the bloke. He was more of a plot device to make Gohan go Super Saiyan 2. Why not kill off one of the main characters of the series for good? It would make a stronger emotional impact on the reader if you ask me. It would also give a sense of vulnerability to the characters.

Another thing, what ever Pierrot+ did with the Beezlebub anime, it doesn't justify what Toei Animation has done with One Piece(they are the ones that animate One Piece, right?) 

And for the record, I am used to manga art. I just don't like it when said manga art becomes excessive in detail. It's like the Star Wars Prequel trilogy, in that when there was a battle, there was too much going on in one scene. I personally liked the battle scenes, but even I knew they were excessive and had too many things going on in them. When I was into Naruto, I knew what was going on. I knew what each character was doing and I never got lost, not even during the Zombie arc(of course, I still don't like Naruto). With One Piece, that's not the case.

As for the scene where the 11 Supernovas are introduced, while there wasn't much confusion to it, the characters for the most part were uninteresting. They were defined more by their abilities. They didn't have much substance to them. Not like the Strawhat crew on the other hand. Look, I'm not asking that every character recieve as much development as Luffy and the gang, but Oda could have introduced less characters so that way, he can divert more time to developing them. Though I'll admit, I sort of liked Capone Bege.

Modifié par Capt. Obvious, 07 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

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Posté 07 janvier 2012 - 02:00

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Capt Obvious, you're trying hard to categorize and you're failing at it. You may as well say I hate cinema, I hate classical music, I hate fine art. The category of Anime is too broad and so you are just left generalizing.

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