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I understand that One Piece is about the adventure, but not only does it have character arcs to advance, but it needs an ending. It's asking someone too much to watch all 1,000 episodes of One Piece and before you say anything, I know that there aren't over 1,000 episodes of One Piece...yet. What separates One Piece from SG-1 is that One Piece has over 500 episodes with still no end in site. SG-1 has an ending. It doesn't drag on too long.
Oh, and Lost is being panned because it DOESN'T HAVE AN ENDING. Well, it does, but it has a rather ****ty ending. Hell, Lost was getting bad even before the ending. Why? Because it was dragged on too long. The Simpsons is a good example of a show that's also gone on too long. Let's face it: when was the last time you heard someone laughing about some scene in some recent Simpsons episode? The One Piece manga has also gone on too long. Some shows can still be good while going through its 200th episode. One Piece, on the other hand, is excessive. We're not talking about 200 or 300 episodes, but over 500 episodes, and who the hell knows when it's going to end?
Even if One Piece had already ended, I would still take issue with the fact that the fights are dragged on too long. Avatar: The Last Airbender is a good example of an anime done right. Well, technically, it's not an anime as it's a Western cartoon(an anime would be a Japanese cartoon), but it's like an anime. The fights that the characters have against their opponents are like the same fights that happen in One Piece or DBZ or Yu Yu Hakusho with the exception being that in Avatar, they get to the point. In the Season 2 finale of Avatar, when Zuko and Azula were fighting Aang and Katara, the fighting was straight to the point. It wasn't 3 episodes long or 6 episodes, but to the point. And if you ask me, that fight had more substance than the entire Goku vs. Frieza battle. Come to think of it, why can't Shonen anime be more like Avatar: The Last Airbender? Or at least, why can't the fights be more short?
Again, just to clarify, I only dislike this so called "Shonen" anime. I haven't seen the other three categories of anime. I'll get to watching Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop eventually. And what the writer of DBZ did was an Ass Pull because even after all the punishment Frieza took, he's still alive. I'm sorry, but that's insulting to the reader. Can you imagine how pissed off everyone would be if Emperor Palpatine didn't die after Darth Vader threw him in the reactor shaft, but survived? Well, don't answer that question, because that's exactly what happened in one of the Expanded Universe novels that took place after Return of the Jedi, and believe me, people are still pissed off about it.
Also, 16 is just one character. We barely even got to know the bloke. He was more of a plot device to make Gohan go Super Saiyan 2. Why not kill off one of the main characters of the series for good? It would make a stronger emotional impact on the reader if you ask me. It would also give a sense of vulnerability to the characters.
Another thing, what ever Pierrot+ did with the Beezlebub anime, it doesn't justify what Toei Animation has done with One Piece(they are the ones that animate One Piece, right?)
And for the record, I am used to manga art. I just don't like it when said manga art becomes excessive in detail. It's like the Star Wars Prequel trilogy, in that when there was a battle, there was too much going on in one scene. I personally liked the battle scenes, but even I knew they were excessive and had too many things going on in them. When I was into Naruto, I knew what was going on. I knew what each character was doing and I never got lost, not even during the Zombie arc(of course, I still don't like Naruto). With One Piece, that's not the case.
As for the scene where the 11 Supernovas are introduced, while there wasn't much confusion to it, the characters for the most part were uninteresting. They were defined more by their abilities. They didn't have much substance to them. Not like the Strawhat crew on the other hand. Look, I'm not asking that every character recieve as much development as Luffy and the gang, but Oda could have introduced less characters so that way, he can divert more time to developing them. Though I'll admit, I sort of liked Capone Bege.
[/quote]Okay you get One Piece is about adventure and it has character arcs and they are fine as for needing an ending it has one or well it will when we get to see how and why the World Government destroyed the Ancient Kingdom and forced them to go to the moon, oh and I guess something about finding the One Piece as well, there ending.
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Anyway as I said One Piece is a manga first and an anime second if someone told me they want to get into One Piece I will say everytime. Go. Read. The. Manga. Now I know that's not what you want to hear, so I will say this One Piece right now in Japan still is very high in TV ratings and no not just with kids and otaku oddballs. How good or bad SG-1, Lost and the Simpsons are is not the point, the point is people still watch long shows anyway, I am going to say this again as long as it's good who cares how long it is.
Besides with One Piece from the start you know it's going to be long since it took 100 chapters for the intro most manga's intros are 1 or 5 maybe 10 but not One Piece as for when it will end I say about 2016 to 2020 for the manga.
Now what I want to know is why you think One Piece's fights are too long? fights get harder as you move up in a world like One Piece and harder means longer most of the time, more so when you want to give the full cast fights.
And Avatar is not an adaptation of a weekly 17 to 19 page comic and just like One Piece Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho are manga first, anime second and all the fights were faster in the manga.
It's not so called "Shonen" anime it is Shonen anime and I have no clue what ohter three categories you are talking about.
First you say it's an ass pull because Son Goku did not die, now you say it's an ass pull because Freeza did not die? which is it? Still we knew from the start Freeza could survive a planet blowing up it's not that hard to think he would still be alive. Just think we find out he is not dead after two chapter and then what happens he gets killed in one hit by a new character and what does everyone say? "OMG this guy killed Freeza in one hit is he stronger than Son-chan", "Why is this guy a SSJ, who is he?" 'LOL look at Vegeta's face" Or did you want a new badguy to show up out of no where and be told he was stronger than Freeza and then he dies in one hit in the same way, that would be really bad writing. The point is you did not like it and that's fine but I don't think it was insulting to the reader because it got them thinking who is this SSJ guy? why is he a SSJ? stuff like that is good in a weekly comic much better than the crap Star Wars books.
I think we got to know 16 well, the real plot device was the out of no wherenees of Gohan having doubt in his power that was stupid. Now tell me this how would you kill off a main character for good? you need to kill them in death too cuz every kid who grew up reading Dragon Ball knows the Dragon Balls can wish them back as long as they had a soul(poor 16), Boo almost did that but what's the point of doing that at the end of a manga that was never too serious to bigin with(save for the Cell arc) I think what you want out of Dragon Ball was never what the Japanese fans wanted out of it.
Oh sure what Pierrot+ did with Beelzebub does not justify what Toei does with Dragon Ball, One Piece and Toriko or any of their shows but still be happy they don't put chapters in the episodes out of order so they don't make sense or make characters who are not SUPER MOE GIRLS like Nami and Robin into SUPER MOE GIRLS in the show or the bad bad BAD ending themes(I am not even going to link "it":sick:)
Can you show the One Piece pages you are talking about because really the art is fine and I want to know how can you get lost? are you talking about when a scene changes? like from the Strawhats's fight to the SuperNovas's fight? And in a manga like One Piece it's good it has great detail more so when you think about it since it's a weekly or do you want crap like Bleach and yes Naruto's art because they really are bad even if they are weekly too imo.
And I was talking about the very first chapter with the Supernovas(and their point is just to be Luffy's rivals anyway) at that point we don't even know their powers. Still that is the only arc to have a lot of new characters(big name ones that is) show up fast and at once and don't forget some characters are just gag characters. Anyway Oda still gives time for the Strawhats and gives time to the new characters(last new one I can think of was Fukaboshi) he makes story arc by story arc I don't get how that is a bad thing, can you point out to me when a character did not get the development he/she deserves?
And to end this yes Capone rocks he put a fork into one of his own men's eye what's not to like?
Modifié par Some Geth, 08 janvier 2012 - 04:35 .
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