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Gen. Grievous wrote...
Seriously, are you a liberal?

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Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...
Seriously, are you a liberal?

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Some Geth wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

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Some Geth wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Oh, by the way, Osamu Tezuka broke into tears when he watched "Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors" for the first time. It was propaganda for the Japanese Imperial Navy during WWII. He said that hidden underneath all of the propaganda was a bunch of "hopes and dreams."

Yeah, hopes and dreams for a utopian, totalitarian world, where the proles are the base of the economic system, ans Big Brother is ever-present. Oh, and by the way: that world would require the existence of Hitler's dream as well: a "Third Reich" would be very real in a world like that.

Did you guys ever watch "Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah"? That movie portayed Japs as the heroes in WWII, did it not? Remember the scene where Godzilla was killing all those U.S. troops? And then the Japanese troops are all spared? (Heck, they even walk right up and thank him) Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Open your eyes people.

He broke into tears beacuse he really really REALLY loves animation(Disney was the big reason he got into it) and yeah underneath all the propaganda it had a lot of "hopes and dreams" for something that the director who was ordered to make it by the Japanese Naval Ministry(something you can't say no to or you know death or worse) could have.

Hell the director of it Mitsuto Seo was very left-wing to the point any time he try to make movies in his politics, Japan(well more like Toho and guess who makes Godzilla?) would stop him.

So how about you open your eyes.

Oh, is that so? Does the the fact that the movie reached the U.S. even slightly hint that Japan was concerned about it's content? I think not.

And as for your other example, you have no idea what Tezuka meant by that (and come to think of it, no one really knows for sure). My post was based on the known facts: he broke into tears while watching ****** propaganda. That doesn't suggest that he was in tears for other purposes than the ones you mentioned? Namely the reasons that I suggested?

Quite naive of you, really.

What? I don't think it ever reached America and you miss my point.

And yeah I am right about Tezuka beacuse it's not like he was a fan of the way Japan was back in WW2, this says it all.

 

Yup Tezuka was an evil man all for crazy Japan and Hitler and not at all a genius of art!

I never said he was "an evil man all for crazy Japan and Hitler and not at all a genius of art."(that sentence was indecipherable as far as I'm concerned) I meant his actions suggested (to the casual viewer) that he regretted Japan losing the war. Is this not true? Consider the following example: the Mexicans call the Mexican-American War the "American Invasion." But we liberated them from a brutal dictator, Santa Anna. How come they don't revere us for that?

The casual viewer, I believe, would say the same thing about Japan (we dropped two A-bombs on them. do you think there is even the slightest chance that they wouldn't appreciate that very much?).

If anything to anyone casual or not, Japan losing the war help make Tezuka a big name in art.

Again just watching his work tells you he was never for their craziness, does his work not count as his actions?

And yeah old people in Japan hate us but most people(kids, teens, young people and Tezuka=]) love us.

Are you using a translator? I'm seeing more grammar mistakes.

Anyhow, the point of that YouTube link you sent me was pretty useless. It suggests (very plausibly) that Tezuka was against the whole principle of totalitarianism, as well as the old regime of pre-war Japan. However, this work of his is never even mentioned on Wikipedia. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that the public (once again, the casual viewer) would ever find out anything about him other than the fact that he used "manga as a means of helping to convince people to care for the world (from Wikipedia)." This, coupled with the "hopes and dreams" example would suggest at first that he had been in agreement with the Imperial Japanese cause: to create a "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (yes, Wikipedia again)."

Am I not correct?

[Clover Rider]

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...

Oh, by the way, Osamu Tezuka broke into tears when he watched "Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors" for the first time. It was propaganda for the Japanese Imperial Navy during WWII. He said that hidden underneath all of the propaganda was a bunch of "hopes and dreams."

Yeah, hopes and dreams for a utopian, totalitarian world, where the proles are the base of the economic system, ans Big Brother is ever-present. Oh, and by the way: that world would require the existence of Hitler's dream as well: a "Third Reich" would be very real in a world like that.

Did you guys ever watch "Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah"? That movie portayed Japs as the heroes in WWII, did it not? Remember the scene where Godzilla was killing all those U.S. troops? And then the Japanese troops are all spared? (Heck, they even walk right up and thank him) Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Open your eyes people.

He broke into tears beacuse he really really REALLY loves animation(Disney was the big reason he got into it) and yeah underneath all the propaganda it had a lot of "hopes and dreams" for something that the director who was ordered to make it by the Japanese Naval Ministry(something you can't say no to or you know death or worse) could have.

Hell the director of it Mitsuto Seo was very left-wing to the point any time he try to make movies in his politics, Japan(well more like Toho and guess who makes Godzilla?) would stop him.

So how about you open your eyes.

Oh, is that so? Does the the fact that the movie reached the U.S. even slightly hint that Japan was concerned about it's content? I think not.

And as for your other example, you have no idea what Tezuka meant by that (and come to think of it, no one really knows for sure). My post was based on the known facts: he broke into tears while watching ****** propaganda. That doesn't suggest that he was in tears for other purposes than the ones you mentioned? Namely the reasons that I suggested?

Quite naive of you, really.

What? I don't think it ever reached America and you miss my point.

And yeah I am right about Tezuka beacuse it's not like he was a fan of the way Japan was back in WW2, this says it all.

 

Yup Tezuka was an evil man all for crazy Japan and Hitler and not at all a genius of art!

I never said he was "an evil man all for crazy Japan and Hitler and not at all a genius of art."(that sentence was indecipherable as far as I'm concerned) I meant his actions suggested (to the casual viewer) that he regretted Japan losing the war. Is this not true? Consider the following example: the Mexicans call the Mexican-American War the "American Invasion." But we liberated them from a brutal dictator, Santa Anna. How come they don't revere us for that?

The casual viewer, I believe, would say the same thing about Japan (we dropped two A-bombs on them. do you think there is even the slightest chance that they wouldn't appreciate that very much?).

If anything to anyone casual or not, Japan losing the war help make Tezuka a big name in art.

Again just watching his work tells you he was never for their craziness, does his work not count as his actions?

And yeah old people in Japan hate us but most people(kids, teens, young people and Tezuka=]) love us.

Are you using a translator? I'm seeing more grammar mistakes.

Anyhow, the point of that YouTube link you sent me was pretty useless. It suggests (very plausibly) that Tezuka was against the whole principle of totalitarianism, as well as the old regime of pre-war Japan. However, this work of his is never even mentioned on Wikipedia. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that the public (once again, the casual viewer) would ever find out anything about him other than the fact that he used "manga as a means of helping to convince people to care for the world (from Wikipedia)." This, coupled with the "hopes and dreams" example would suggest at first that he had been in agreement with the Imperial Japanese cause: to create a "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (yes, Wikipedia again)."

Am I not correct?

Nope, no translator here.

And no the short-film still says it all about him and his views.

Wikipedia does not have a lot of info on him(they have a lack of info on a lot of stuff) most of his work is not on his page. You know another site the public/casual viewer go to? YouTube and you know what comes up first when you type in Tezuka's name? Mermaid and even then you still get more info on him from Wikipedia than what you just said.

I also think you are confusing the public with yourself since what the public really thinks about the man is this.

"Osamu Tezuka is the guy who made Japanese comics and cartoons".

And nothing more, they don't know that he was a smart man of the arts, they don't what his views are, they sure as hell don't think he was for "Crazy Japan" like you think he was.

I am going to tell you again the reason why he was never in agreement with Imperial Japan, beacuse of his work, it shows his views and most of his comics, films, short-films and shows, Imperial Japan would not like. You know when most people form their views? teen years and guess when Tezuka was a teenager?

I am going to say what Filament said on one of my posts here.

"you know someone's ignorant when they group together every totalitarian government and the kitchen sink to bash one someone's supposed political leanings...".

Modifié par Some Geth, 18 janvier 2012 - 04:23 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Gen. Grievous wrote...
Open your eyes people.

Always have. And you look like man with silly conspiracy theories.

You think that the average American enjoys what you guys are talking about?

Well, the average american is hardly the role-model I want to emulate.
I don't care about the average american.


EDIT: Also, this thread is about anime, not your personal war against some animator or anime in general.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:25 .

[Clover Rider]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Gen. Grievous wrote...
Open your eyes people.

Always have. And you look like man with silly conspiracy theories.

You think that the average American enjoys what you guys are talking about?

Well, the average american is hardly the role-model I want to emulate.
I don't care about the average american.

Stop taking away my prey.<_<

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And now I feel we are off-topic(duh) but still good comeback dude, good comeback.

Modifié par Some Geth, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:00 .

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jreezy wrote...

War of the Anime going on.

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 http://www.rubberslu...30&Section=Item

Poor Hisoka...

Modifié par Some Geth, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:52 .

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 http://www.rubberslu...30&Section=Item

I really should stop...:innocent:

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Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

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 http://www.rubberslu...30&Section=Item

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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

There are GTO pictures on this page.

This pleases me.

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And yeah GTO rocks.

Modifié par Some Geth, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:18 .

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/thread

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