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[Clover Rider]

eroeru wrote...

I second Death Note, and most possibly Hunter x Hunter.

Though you would really need to get through some cultural threshold, after some 10 episodes the classier type of shonen will 100% certainly not fail to amaze. Or at the very least it'll be a positive surprise in ways...

(the other series here are more hit and miss imho, but I've yet to see any avid hater of Death Note who's actually given the series a go)...

My list was about being good and not being kiddy, the list was also a mix of old and new that show Shonen Jump manga can still be original(Death Note and Hunter x Hunter) or good callbacks to what make Shonen Jump manga good(One Piece and Toriko).

I myself did not care much for Death Note by the time they got to Near and the way it ended(Light"s end most of all) but I will still say Death Note was a great thing for Shonen Jump.

Death Note had an extremely dark and nontraditional story that contrasted with other Jump works, where the protagonist was really the antagonist and it lacked or subverted a lot of traditional shounen elements - it wasn't the kind of thing that  Shonen Jump would normally publish.

It didn't fare so well in the weekly rankings, but it sold like hotcakes when its volumes hit the shelves and was hugely popular, causing the WSJ editors to reconsider their stance on canning a manga just because its ranking wasn't high - amongst other things. Now, if a manga's volumes sell really well, then even if it isn't doing so great on the questionnaires, they won't drop it from the magazine right away. Hunter x Hunter, Reborn, To Love-Ru and others have all benefited from this.

[Ronnel]

DBZ is more manly and violent than any marvel stuff.

[Clover Rider]

greengoron89 wrote...

DBZ has so many moments of pure badassery, it's ridiculous. Goku going Super Saiyan for the first time, Trunks going Super Saiyan and cutting Frieza in half, Vegeta going Super Saiyan and whipping Android 19's ass, Piccolo fusing with Kami and battling Cell, Piccolo battling Android 17 (my favorite fight in the whole series), Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 and blasting Cell into oblivion...

...man, that show is awesome. Even with all of the boring filler and terrible voice acting (both of which Kai fixes), it still shines.

Kai did not fix anything it still has filler and for being what Toei calls the "true Dragon Ball manga experience" it sure did skip the first 16 volumes and did not even cover the last 7. Oh well in 20 years they can fix it or mess it  up again.

Modifié par Some Geth, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:13 .

[Clover Rider]

greengoron89 wrote...

I never read the mangas past the battle with Raditz, so I'm not sure what all is accurate and what's not.

At any rate, they did cut out a ton of filler for Kai - they practically gave the original series a lipsuction. I'm glad, because a lot of it was pretty boring and drawn-out.

The only thing I don't really care for regarding Kai is the soundtrack - I prefer the music from the original Japanese version, and also the original FUNimation dub.

Things like Kaio's pet bug was filler and other stuff but yeah it was good they cut it down a lot but I just still want a full Dragon Ball show from kid Son Goku to all the way to the end of the Boo arc.

Alao I love the Japanese music of the Dragon Ball shows but I don't care for the dub music, Kai had some good ones here and there, Freeza's theme was good so was the Ginyu Tokusentai theme.

Modifié par Some Geth, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[eroeru]

@Capt. Obvious

I actually avidly dislike those you've seen there as well. But do give Death Note a try (and other, non-shonen ones of course - NGE comes to mind first) - it's the only one on the list that I feel doesn't have horrible filler and that fighting-stuff going on. There's nothing similar between Death Note and Bleach/Naruto/OnePiece...

[BatmanPWNS]

Ronnel wrote...

DBZ is more manly and violent than any marvel stuff.

Not really just type in "Wolverine blood" on Google and you'll find many bloody pictures from Marvel comics. (This is coming from a DBZ fan)

Also Pokemon anime suck, the manga is truly the greatest interpretation of the pokemon series.

[Moondoggie]

Ronnel wrote...

DBZ is more manly and violent than any marvel stuff.

Clearly you never read any X Force comics. Furthermore people never actually die in Dragonball Z where as in Marvel comics death is handled in a very real dark way

Modifié par Moondoggie, 04 décembre 2011 - 06:50 .

[Clover Rider]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Hunter x Hunter, Death Note, Fist of the North Star, Bakuman, One Piece, Toriko, Saint Seiya, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, YuYu Hakusho and Level E

This. These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman. And don't even get me started with Dragon Ball Z. Seriously, did the fights have to be that long? And what's with all the screaming? There are tons of ways they could have made the scenes more dramatic and "badass" without the senseless screaming.

Naruto is also pretty bad; the story has been going on too long filled with too much melodrama while Jutsus have become the equivalent of deus ex machines and have thus, made the fights boring. 

One Piece is also a good example of what's wrong with anime. The story has been stretched out too far and the author puts so much stuff in one page that it's hard to keep track of what's going on(the Saboady Archipelago arc is a good example of this).

Death Note, Saint Seiya, Level E, etc are shows that I haven't watched(minus Yu Yu Hakusho), but I'm not going to watch them because I don't want to go through dozens of episodes worth of filler. 

I guess I'd add Fairy Tale, Bayblade, and some other anime show having to do with soccer to the lists of animes that I've seen and don't like, but those aren't published by Shonen Jump, I think.

Maybe someday, when I feel like it, I'll watch something like Cowboy Bebop and see if it's any good. But until then, I'm pretty adverse to anime.

Oh my what am I going to do with you?

Alright let us start, my list was of Shonen Jump manga that are good and/or not kiddy, you did not give any real reasons why they are bad you just said "These are examples of bad anime that would make anyone dislike the genre, especially Bakuman" now I want to know what genre are you talking about? Action, adventure, drama, comedy, horror, martial arts, fantasy, bangsian fantasy, supernatural, post-apocalyptic, psychological thriller, mystery, slice of life, romance I really want to know which genre out of the genres in my list are you talking about? and I will say I have not seen the anime of Bakuman but the manga is great, why do you not like it?

As for Dragon Ball Z none of what you said is in the manga as for the show the fights 'did" have to be long or else it catch up to the manga and have to end.

I don't see Naruto on my list? where did you see it? my take on Naruto it was okay for 18 volumes and even then it was just a rip off of Hunter x Hunter and as soon as HxH went on hiatus Naruto got bad funny right?

Now you say One Piece is what is wrong with anime and then talk about how the author puts so much stuff into a page when did he work on the anime? and when did anime have pages? and show me the "pages" you are talking about because I don't see what is wrong with the art, it is good to have things in the background or do you want it to have bad like Bleach?

Also since you did get up to the Saboady arc you should know by now One Piece is more about the adventure, the journey, not the destination.

Death Note had no filler save some bits in the episodes, Saint Seiya had one filler arc and some bits into the episode like Death Note if I recall, Level E is only 13 episode guess how much filler it has. Oh and I want to say Hunter x Hunter the first show had only 3 filler episodes and the new show has none but some meh music.

Fairy Tale and Bayblade are not in Shone Jump and was the soccer show Captain Tsubasa? because I find that one to be a cute anime/manga.

Now go watch Cowboy Bebop!

And I hate that this post is so long but to the people who say Marvel is good with death:lol::lol:

Modifié par Some Geth, 04 décembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Adanu]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

 Not hate. Hate's too strong of a word. I don't think I'm more intelligent than the people that like anime, but I'm just want to know if there's anybody else who doesn't like anime. 

Why do I dislike anime? I always found it melodramatic. That, and I can't stand the filler. I don't like it when fights last for more than one episode. Plus, some of the hardcore fans that act like anime is a gift from God kind of scare me. 

There is more than one kind of anime, and dozens of series. Don't judge all anime by Dragon Ball Z.

[TMZuk]

There's probably anime out there I would like if I saw it, but by and large, yes! I dislike anime.

I dislike the anatomy. Thin bodies, huge eyes and huge breasts.
I dislike the the pathetic melodrama. If I want melodrama I go for Shakespeare. He did it better 450 years ago.
I dislike that all the "women" looks like twelve years olds, except equipped with above mentioned huge breasts. I seriously dislike all that this implies!
I dislike the primitive animation that characterizes most anime. Disney and WB did it better sixty years ago.

Yeah, I think you could safely say that I dislike anime and manga with a vengeance.

Modifié par TMZuk, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:00 .

[Ronnel]

There are good anime out there and bad one it's just everybody have different taste it's like you can say Dragon Age Origins so good but other says its boring.

Modifié par Ronnel, 07 décembre 2011 - 03:01 .

[Gespenst]

Ringo12 wrote...

The best thing about Moribito is that it's based on a novel, meaning that plot and characterization are really strong.

That doesn't necessarily follow... a lot of anime are based on novels.

Like this (shame it'll never get a US release ... then again I once said the same about Turn A Gundam and the Utena remasterd DVDs)

Strawberry Panic is based on a novel (well sort of) but if someone wanted an anime with strong plot and characterization that's not where I'd point them.

Chris Priestly wrote...

In general, I dislike the anime style as I am not a big fan of the animation and art style.

Isn't that rather too broad of a statement? Like saying I'm not a big fan of paintings...

It just seems like you're implying that every anime (with those exceptions) shares an art style.

I mean, take these two




Totally the same, right?

RPGamer13 wrote...

Anime is an artstyle.  Avatar The Last Airbender was actually inspired by anime and shares similarities to the  artstyle. Therefore, it can be considered anime. 

No it isn't. Anime is the Japanese word for animation. It's an English word for Japanese animation.

In reality it's all damn cartoons.

Modifié par Gespenst, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[alex90c]

Gespenst wrote...

It just seems like you're implying that every anime (with those exceptions) shares an art style.

I mean, take these two




Totally the same, right?

They look pretty similar to me. Sure, the second is stuffed with little kids but they have the same kinda style.

Anime's just ... meh, IMO, and hentai gives it a really bad name since people will always link the two.

Modifié par alex90c, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:34 .

[Gespenst]

alex90c wrote...

They look pretty similar to me. Sure, the second is stuffed with little kids but they have the same kinda style.

alex90c wrote...

Anime's just ... meh, IMO, and hentai gives it a really bad name since people will always link the two.

And regular porn doesn't give film a bad name?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Oi that's racist. If they're just cartoons from Japan I never understood the need to label it something else. As such, I won't say 'I dislike all cartoons from Japan' but a lot I've seen seem rather idiotic and missing a point. Having said that, I thoroughly enjoyed "Death Noto" and "Code Geass", possibly others. Oh yer, was a big fan of the original Digimon, although I just thought that was a cartoon, not having learnt of the existence of this "anime"(see what I mean?) Miyazaki films are always delightful if you count those, despite some missing a sensible plot. Mononoke is one of the most beautiful things I've seen and heard. Ironically I don't think I would ever have seen it if it wasn't school that forced it down my throat. /geek explosion
I need a shower.

[RPGamer13]

I know what you mean Gespenst.

I'm sorry alex90c, but there is a difference. Since you cannot see one, then it appears you're concentrating on the characters' body proportions. Because, really, that's the one commonality in all of it that separates it from other cartoon types.

Escaflowne uses darker colors, smaller eyes and has a darker tone to it all. The other one is more upbeat and colorful.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Personally anime as an art-style I like, as far as comics/media/movies I dislike it, although games with an anime-ish art style I enjoy...provided the story is good of course lol.

[TMZuk]

jreezy wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

There's probably anime out there I would like if I saw it, but by and large, yes! I dislike anime.

I dislike the anatomy. Thin bodies, huge eyes and huge breasts.
I dislike the the pathetic melodrama. If I want melodrama I go for Shakespeare. He did it better 450 years ago.
I dislike that all the "women" looks like twelve years olds, except equipped with above mentioned huge breasts. I seriously dislike all that this implies!
I dislike the primitive animation that characterizes most anime. Disney and WB did it better sixty years ago.

Yeah, I think you could safely say that I dislike anime and manga with a vengeance.

You don't sound like you dislike anime, you sound like you dislike a certain style of anime.

That is possible.

However, several of my friends are into anime and manga, and have shown me comics and flicks they consider good. None of it managed to catch my imagination, or indulge more than vague boredom and, at certain things, mild disgust.

If there's anime and manga out there that I could get to like, I would not know where to look.

[eroeru]

alex90c wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

It just seems like you're implying that every anime (with those exceptions) shares an art style.

I mean, take these two




Totally the same, right?

They look pretty similar to me. Sure, the second is stuffed with little kids but they have the same kinda style.

Anime's just ... meh, IMO, and hentai gives it a really bad name since people will always link the two.

These are not the best examples.

Anime may have characteristics, but I think the main reason people have dislikes are because of the themes they've seen in one single anime genre.

Here are a few examples of anime I instantly thought of, this is non-shonen anime that is very wide-spread in Japan, and quite popular overall:

Studio 4°C (samples/AMVs that use clips from their works - as a hint to what kind different art-work you can find in anime)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCxv38nsmM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRAr9RWqR-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sStLf2j00T4&feature=fvsr

Dystopia themed

Texhnolyze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL9PufAiPSM
Ergo Proxy (trailer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2vwjDcuydc&feature=related
NGE (clip): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWF5ZjQSufw&feature=channel_video_title (can't find any good dialogue scene without spoilers...)

Josei/youthful

Eden of the East: http://www.animefush...-east-episode-1
The Tatami Galaxy (OP): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyYCYd2wHY4
Honey and Clover: http://www.animefush...lover-episode-1

Artsy, more indie (but not quite - ie still popular)

The Diary of Tortov Roddle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7F6cM_TMjI (if you still have doubts whether the term "anime" refers to only the style you're presented in your TV each day, watch this one)
Memory (Tezuka): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzutuBbEiiE
The Apple Incident (Kunio Kato): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzCZeKk_hv8&feature=related
The Old Crocodile (Yamamura): http://www.veoh.com/...rocodile (2005)
She and Her Cat (Shinkai) (trailer - a fandubbed full-length short is found under suggestions): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VjHSrkaWOY&feature=related


More mainstream, just plain good

Darker Than Black (a fight-scene): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH7VTC_szRw
Ghost in the Shell (trailer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlKiVpUQcFc
Cowboy Bebop dubbed movie trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au1AO1xaEts
Black Lagoon (trailer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsL9vhMfyrs
Baccano: http://www.animefush...ccano-episode-1
.hack/SIGN: http://www.animefush...ksign-episode-1
Death Note: http://www.animefush...-note-episode-1
Last Exile: http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


I hope I didn't bother you too much with the full-episode ones - just that to understand the point, you must look into it - a couple of minutes at least (though it initially took me about 4 episodes of NGE to start liking it).

Modifié par eroeru, 08 décembre 2011 - 03:12 .