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[Mike3207]

Ok, so i've got several questions about the Warden's disappearance. The Wiki says it's the Warden Commander who disappears. The Hero of Ferelden is not always the Warden Commander, however. It can be a Orlesian Warden who is the Warden Commander. Even if the Wiki is wrong however, it still creates a problem with 2 Wardens. Is it the Warden Commander who disappears, the Hero of Ferelden or both? If I finish DA2 with a save where I have the  Orlesian Warden Commander and the Hero of Ferelden, which one will disappear? It doesn't make any sense my Warden would be hard for Leliana to find as Prince-Consort, so I really do think it's the Warden Commander that disappears.

[RagingCyclone]

I would venture a guess that it's the Hero of Ferelden. In Origins he/she is called the Warden. In Awakenings the vast majority calls him/her the Warden Commander. This I think is the distinction between the two. Plus despite the claims to the contrary, there appears to be a canon to the plots where indications are the warden either romanced Morrigan or Alistair and never Zevran or Leliana. The DR was performed, and the warden stayed with the Grey Wardens and disappears. All other decisions from Origins are either given a token nod or waved off entirely. We'll never really know for sure until the next installments.

[TEWR]

I like to think that both the Orlesian Warden and the Hero of Ferelden disappeared if your original Warden survived.


@RagingCyclone: No, if you romanced Zevran or Leliana it keeps true to that.

[RagingCyclone]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I like to think that both the Orlesian Warden and the Hero of Ferelden disappeared if your original Warden survived.


@RagingCyclone: No, if you romanced Zevran or Leliana it keeps true to that.

We must have been playing different games then, that's what I was calling "token" nods.

[Tirfan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I like to think that both the Orlesian Warden and the Hero of Ferelden disappeared if your original Warden survived.


@RagingCyclone: No, if you romanced Zevran or Leliana it keeps true to that.

The question then is, what did the Orlesian Sissy-pants do before he disappeared if my Warden became the Warden- commander?

Or why would anyone care if the sissy-pants did disappear?

[TEWR]

RagingCyclone wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I like to think that both the Orlesian Warden and the Hero of Ferelden disappeared if your original Warden survived.


@RagingCyclone: No, if you romanced Zevran or Leliana it keeps true to that.

We must have been playing different games then, that's what I was calling "token" nods.

Ah. I must've misread your post somehow. I thought you said that Morrigan and Alistair were being treated as the only romances.

I'm prone to misreading posts a lot lately

[Mike3207]

You don't really see any allusion to the Warden disappearing until Awakenings. Your Hero pretty much stays in Denerim the whole time with an Orlesian Warden doing the DLC with a prince-consort file. I was just hoping someone could clarify things, but I guess I'll have to wait until we hear from a developer or DA3 comes out.

[TEWR]

Tirfan wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I like to think that both the Orlesian Warden and the Hero of Ferelden disappeared if your original Warden survived.


@RagingCyclone: No, if you romanced Zevran or Leliana it keeps true to that.

The question then is, what did the Orlesian Sissy-pants do before he disappeared if my Warden became the Warden- commander?

Or why would anyone care if the sissy-pants did disappear?

Perhaps he became Warden Commander of the Orlesian Wardens and did something noteworthy there?

[RagingCyclone]

@Ethereal Writer, no biggie. Plus when I mentioned those two romances in particular was because you can see Alistair is several ways depending on the import, and Witch Hunt which had much more impact for a romanced Morrigan than the other scenarios. (Also gives the biggest plausible disappearance for a male warden). However, Zevran and Leliana you see in the same circumstance regardless what you did with them. They both acknowledge a romance with a line or two, and even then there are claims of bugs when the game first came out and there was no recognition at all from either.

[TEWR]

RagingCyclone wrote...

@Ethereal Writer, no biggie. Plus when I mentioned those two romances in particular was because you can see Alistair is several ways depending on the import, and Witch Hunt which had much more impact for a romanced Morrigan than the other scenarios. (Also gives the biggest plausible disappearance for a male warden). However, Zevran and Leliana you see in the same circumstance regardless what you did with them. They both acknowledge a romance with a line or two, and even then there are claims of bugs when the game first came out and there was no recognition at all from either.

Their codexes also change to reflect the romance.

But I agree, Alistair and Morrigan were the bigger romances in DAO, probably because they had more to do with the plot of DAO than the other two.

[Neminea]

I thought you could only pick an Orlesian warden commander if your own warden died during the archdemon fight, aka when your not importing a character that is still alive?

[Nerdage]

Neminea wrote...

I thought you could only pick an Orlesian warden commander if your own warden died during the archdemon fight, aka when your not importing a character that is still alive?

That was my impression, too. I thought if you play the Orlesian warden then the Hero of Ferelden died to the archdemon, and if the Hero lived past the archdemon then they did become commander, even if they weren't imported into Awakening. So either the Hero of Ferelden lived, became warden commander, and then went missing, or the Hero died, the Orlesian became commander, and they went missing.

Assuming Cassandra was even referring to the warden commander, and not some other warden.. 

[TEWR]

Neminea wrote...

I thought you could only pick an Orlesian warden commander if your own warden died during the archdemon fight, aka when your not importing a character that is still alive?

Doesn't mean he doesn't exist if your Warden stayed alive. Just that your Warden was the first pick for being named Warden Commander of Amaranthine.

[Nerdage]

Mike Smith wrote...

If I finish DA2 with a save where I have the  Orlesian Warden Commander and the Hero of Ferelden, which one will disappear? It doesn't make any sense my Warden would be hard for Leliana to find as Prince-Consort, so I really do think it's the Warden Commander that disappears.

Is it even possible to have the Hero of Ferelden live and have an Orlesian warden-commander? Never tried it with anything but a warden who went travelling after Origins but I thought the Orlesian warden only came with a default sacrifice world state.

Also, a prince-consort who's disappeared would be hard to find, that's the point. If they hadn't disappeared they wouldn't need finding. 

Modifié par nerdage, 16 août 2011 - 05:25 .

[Arthur Cousland]

Either King Alistair or Teagan in my DA2 playthrough mentioned that the "Hero of Ferelden" would be back at Denerim by the time they returned. If my warden is supposed to be waiting for Alistair+Teagan in Denerim after they return from Kirkwall, then they certainly didn't "disappear".

That could be related to the details of my Origins import. My warden became chancellor, Alistair was king, etc.

[Mike3207]

Neminea wrote...

I thought you could only pick an Orlesian warden commander if your own warden died during the archdemon fight, aka when your not importing a character that is still alive?

No, you can create a Warden even without the US. It may not reflect the choices I made in origins though.I'm going to start with a created Warden in Awakenings and check.You can't import into Awakenings with your Origins save if you create a Warden.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 16 août 2011 - 05:36 .

[Nerdage]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Either King Alistair or Teagan in my DA2 playthrough mentioned that the "Hero of Ferelden" would be back at Denerim by the time they returned. If my warden is supposed to be waiting for Alistair+Teagan in Denerim after they return from Kirkwall, then they certainly didn't "disappear".

That could be related to the details of my Origins import. My warden became chancellor, Alistair was king, etc.

That's three years before the Varric / Cassandra interrogation, which is the first time we hear about the disappearance, plenty of time to go missing.

Modifié par nerdage, 16 août 2011 - 05:35 .

[Sir Edric]

nerdage wrote...

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Either King Alistair or Teagan in my DA2 playthrough mentioned that the "Hero of Ferelden" would be back at Denerim by the time they returned. If my warden is supposed to be waiting for Alistair+Teagan in Denerim after they return from Kirkwall, then they certainly didn't "disappear".

That could be related to the details of my Origins import. My warden became chancellor, Alistair was king, etc.

That's three years before the Varric / Cassandra interrogation, which is the first time we hear about the disappearance, plenty of time to go missing.

More importantly, my warden went with morrigan through the eluvian and they said he has returned? Most interesting...

[Nerdage]

Vrex_12 wrote...

More importantly, my warden went with morrigan through the eluvian and they said he has returned? Most interesting...

Well... we don't *know* where the eluvian actually lead, it's not inconceivable they'd find themselves in Ferelden again eventually. Plus if that's just an oversight then it's a sodding massive one, so much so I'm not sure it could be unintentional.

Or maybe it's just another case of DA2 reading import data wrong. I don't know.

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, The Warden seems to be back in Denerim roughly seven years after the Fifth Blight, so it looks like he returned with Morrigan and his son. It's three years after the incident at Kirkwall that both The Warden and Hawke are no where to be found (by Chantry forces, at least).

[Mike3207]

It looks like it's an either or scenario. You either have the Warden Commander or the Hero of Ferelden in Awakenings. I created a Warden and King Alistair was on the throne. It looks like I'll get a disappearance with either choice.It was a good ide while it lasted though.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 16 août 2011 - 06:22 .

[Torax]

Also keep in mind the Morrigan eluded to not being able to follow her tracks going through the mirror. I.E. it could have transported her somewhere in Thedas and same for the Prince-Consort that joined her. So they could appear back with Alistair once they've found a way to not be tracked by certain powers that be. Also keep in mind Flemeth's amulet served almost the same purpose. Flemeth didn't want to be followed either.

[TEWR]

Morrigan said the Eluvian leads to a place "beyond Thedas and beyond the Fade"

[ProneToGlory]

What honestly really annoys me is

1.) If your warden did the US in Origins you cannot make an Orlesian Warden in awakening you only bring your dead Warden back to life.

2.) Even though my warden is dead, the codex entry states "That the Warden died killing the archdemon making the ultimate sacrifice...He is now the king of Ferelden. Also Leliana and Cassandra both state they are looking for the Hero of Ferelden when well duh! HES ****ING DEAD!

**** like this really ruins the immersion effect for me

[Torax]

ProneToGlory wrote...

What honestly really annoys me is

1.) If your warden did the US in Origins you cannot make an Orlesian Warden in awakening you only bring your dead Warden back to life.

2.) Even though my warden is dead, the codex entry states "That the Warden died killing the archdemon making the ultimate sacrifice...He is now the king of Ferelden. Also Leliana and Cassandra both state they are looking for the Hero of Ferelden when well duh! HES ****ING DEAD!

**** like this really ruins the immersion effect for me

Aye, and to a point is sad because of how noble I made my Dalish Wardens willing to sacrifice their lives for their people. It just always seemed fitting yet I couldn't apply it through making the imports off and annoying.