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[erilben]

Going by what DG said, Cassandra is always referring to the Hero of Ferelden even if dead.

David Gaider wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...
The only thing I didn't enjoy about it was the comment about how "The Warden is missing as well. That can't be coincidence". Uhm... no, because my Warden died.

She didn't say the Warden was missing. She said the Warden was gone.

Not gone in the same way, perhaps, but similarly beyond their reach.

http://social.biowar...ex/6478554&lf=8

Modifié par erilben, 17 août 2011 - 12:49 .

[Apollo Starflare]

Torax wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

What honestly really annoys me is

1.) If your warden did the US in Origins you cannot make an Orlesian Warden in awakening you only bring your dead Warden back to life.

2.) Even though my warden is dead, the codex entry states "That the Warden died killing the archdemon making the ultimate sacrifice...He is now the king of Ferelden. Also Leliana and Cassandra both state they are looking for the Hero of Ferelden when well duh! HES ****ING DEAD!

**** like this really ruins the immersion effect for me

Aye, and to a point is sad because of how noble I made my Dalish Wardens willing to sacrifice their lives for their people. It just always seemed fitting yet I couldn't apply it through making the imports off and annoying.

My last playthrough of Origins was my first US Warden, it also happens to be the import I'm playing through DA2 with currently. I was likewise disappointed at being unable to import a US Warden into Awakening and play as the Orlesian, so instead I just didn't import that character into it at all. As such the DA2 playthrough I'm on now has so far been nicely scattered with references to my Alienage Elf Warden's heroic sacrifice on top of Fort Drakon. Considering the events of Awakening happened (Janders and stuff) I can only presume the Orlesian did turn up and become WC anyway, I just didn't get to play it. So yeah, glad that the US is recognised to a fair degree in DA2 but still narked off about not being able to play through Awakening to line up those imported decisions to my liking and such.

Did they ever give us a reason why they didn't make it possible? I'm guessing it must have been some technical limitation, because I can't see how it would hurt the plot any.

[Arthur Cousland]

ProneToGlory wrote...

What honestly really annoys me is

1.) If your warden did the US in Origins you cannot make an Orlesian Warden in awakening you only bring your dead Warden back to life.

2.) Even though my warden is dead, the codex entry states "That the Warden died killing the archdemon making the ultimate sacrifice...He is now the king of Ferelden. Also Leliana and Cassandra both state they are looking for the Hero of Ferelden when well duh! HES ****ING DEAD!

**** like this really ruins the immersion effect for me

I guess they're looking for their remains or are somehow unaware of the warden's death?  In any case, they will be looking for quite a while.

[DPSSOC]

Arthur Cousland wrote...
I guess they're looking for their remains or are somehow unaware of the warden's death?  In any case, they will be looking for quite a while.

Cassandra: We need to find the Warden and/or Hawke.
Leliana: Well we won't find the Warden.
Cassandra: Why not?
Leliana: He/She was cremated/buried, I was there.
Cassandra: Unacceptable, the Warden must be found.
Leliana: ... And people say I'm crazy.

[Nerdage]

erilben wrote...

Going by what DG said, Cassandra is always referring to the Hero of Ferelden even if dead.

David Gaider wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...
The only thing I didn't enjoy about it was the comment about how "The Warden is missing as well. That can't be coincidence". Uhm... no, because my Warden died.

She didn't say the Warden was missing. She said the Warden was gone.

Not gone in the same way, perhaps, but similarly beyond their reach.

http://social.biowar...ex/6478554&lf=8

Nice find. I hope they still plan to explore exactly how/why a living Hero of Ferelden disappears/ is gone.

Modifié par nerdage, 17 août 2011 - 04:00 .

[TEWR]

nerdage wrote...

erilben wrote...

Going by what DG said, Cassandra is always referring to the Hero of Ferelden even if dead.

David Gaider wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...
The only thing I didn't enjoy about it was the comment about how "The Warden is missing as well. That can't be coincidence". Uhm... no, because my Warden died.

She didn't say the Warden was missing. She said the Warden was gone.

Not gone in the same way, perhaps, but similarly beyond their reach.

http://social.biowar...ex/6478554&lf=8

Nice find. I hope they still plan to explore exactly how/why a living Hero of Ferelden disappears/ is gone.

That one's obvious for people who went with Morrigan through the Eluvian (I like to think that Teagan's "the Hero of Ferelden should be back in Denerim by now is just a clever political maneuver because of the implications his disappearance might have).

They just need to give a good reason why the Warden is gone for those who didn't go with Morrigan, or even stabbed her. Though, Luke Barrett I believe said that GoA and WH have no flags for the games to check for as of yet (in that there hasn't been anything in the games that required a check on WH or GoA)

I honestly can't think of anything that would work. Morrigan and the Eluvian were the only things that seemed plausible, but since only Morrigan romancers could go with her, that only applies to them.

[Mike3207]

nerdage wrote...

erilben wrote...

Going by what DG said, Cassandra is always referring to the Hero of Ferelden even if dead.

David Gaider wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...
The only thing I didn't enjoy about it was the comment about how "The Warden is missing as well. That can't be coincidence". Uhm... no, because my Warden died.

She didn't say the Warden was missing. She said the Warden was gone.

Not gone in the same way, perhaps, but similarly beyond their reach.

http://social.biowar...ex/6478554&lf=8

Nice find. I hope they still plan to explore exactly how/why a living Hero of Ferelden disappears/ is gone.

Even more so-a way to bring him back. I'm on the fence about DA3 until I see how they resolve the Warden issue.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 17 août 2011 - 04:31 .

[T3H Fish]

DPSSOC wrote...

Arthur Cousland wrote...
I guess they're looking for their remains or are somehow unaware of the warden's death?  In any case, they will be looking for quite a while.

Cassandra: We need to find the Warden and/or Hawke.
Leliana: Well we won't find the Warden.
Cassandra: Why not?
Leliana: He/She was cremated/buried, I was there.
Cassandra: Unacceptable, the Warden must be found.
Leliana: ... And people say I'm crazy.

Crazy? I thought we were all full up.

[Cavalier753]

Answering the OPs question. If your warden lived, he/she could do 1 of 3 things: 1: go do whatever. 2: be warden commander. 3: do whatever, then be warden commander, then go back to doing whatever. If your warden died, the orlesian comes and takes over the wardens. If your warden lived, Cassandra refers to him/her. If he/she died, Cassandra refers to the Orlesian. Simple, no? However, if your warden lived but did NOT become WC, then I would suspect Cassandra would be referring to the original warden, him/her being the more impressive/vital in the story.

[Mike3207]

QuintusVolcae wrote...

Answering the OPs question. If your warden lived, he/she could do 1 of 3 things: 1: go do whatever. 2: be warden commander. 3: do whatever, then be warden commander, then go back to doing whatever. If your warden died, the orlesian comes and takes over the wardens. If your warden lived, Cassandra refers to him/her. If he/she died, Cassandra refers to the Orlesian. Simple, no? However, if your warden lived but did NOT become WC, then I would suspect Cassandra would be referring to the original warden, him/her being the more impressive/vital in the story.

Well my original question was based on the supposition that there could have been 2 Wardens-the Warden Commander and the Hero of Ferelden in the game. I had thought it might be possible there might be 2 Wardens alive at the time of end of DA2 and that Cassandra might be referring to the Warden Commander. It isn't possible though-you either have the Orlesian Warden Commander or the Hero of Ferelden-you can't have both.

I think there might be 2 reasons the Warden is gone-

1. There are problems witht the royal succesion so he/she goes to look for the OGB. The OGB would have a claim to the throne in case Anora or the Queen Consort is unable to have children.

2. The Calling-Gaider said it was a 30 year period but it could be less depending on how much Blight you were exposed to. I'm not saying the Warden has definitely gone to Orzammar but I think it's a possibility

[Sepewrath]

I think either they are talking about the Hero of Ferelden who can also be the Warden Commander or them surviving to become the WC is canon. But I certainly don't think their talking the back up Commander

[QueenPurpleScrap]

Exactly when is the interrogation of Varric supposed to be taking place? I thought it was all some time after the final confrontation, in which case there is at least 10 years in which the Warden could have gone missing. My impression is that at least 2 or 3 years would have passed before Cassandra has her little chat with Varric. Then there would be no discrepancy with the Hero being back in Denerim before Alistair and Teagan (except in the case of going through the Eluvian, which I put down to an error in the import program of DA2).
Maybe we'll find out that Cassandra knows something that Leliana doesn't and the body buried/cremated was a fake! The Hero may not be alive, but maybe the body has been stolen and they need to find out. Or, put that conversation down to lack of continuity check.

[T3H Fish]

QueenPurpleScrap wrote...

Exactly when is the interrogation of Varric supposed to be taking place? I thought it was all some time after the final confrontation, in which case there is at least 10 years in which the Warden could have gone missing. My impression is that at least 2 or 3 years would have passed before Cassandra has her little chat with Varric. Then there would be no discrepancy with the Hero being back in Denerim before Alistair and Teagan (except in the case of going through the Eluvian, which I put down to an error in the import program of DA2).
Maybe we'll find out that Cassandra knows something that Leliana doesn't and the body buried/cremated was a fake! The Hero may not be alive, but maybe the body has been stolen and they need to find out. Or, put that conversation down to lack of continuity check.

The interrogation takes place in 9:40 Dragon, 3 years after Anders blows up the Chantry. The Hero, by approximation, has been missing for at least 4-6 years, depending if Alistair is king and he makes mention of the Hero returning to Denerim during Act 3, though this time-line could be longer in other scenarios.

The Orlesian Warden-Commander has disappeared at this point too, forgot to add that. So over all, either or both the Hero and Orlesian Warden have been missing, at the bare minimum, 3 years.

Modifié par T3H Fish, 19 août 2011 - 02:40 .