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[Soccer FeverMan]

1136342t54 wrote...

Brand New wrote...

Capable because this was never taken into consideration. Herp Derp.
You obviously can't base their strenthgh on cutscenes etc in past games when the argument is that it should have een different and should be in this game.

Yes you can. Its obviously Bioware wants Male shep and Fem shep to be as close as possible in skill level, physical capabilities, talent etc.

Just because you think it should be done a different way doesn't make it the truth. You have little evidence to suggest that Fem shep and Male shep are significantly different that they need entirely different cutscenes to show how they get by certain problems.

Well i see your point, but i also see his point.

The guy is truly not trying to sexist he's just using concrete scientific fact that says Males of the human race are dipositioned to be stronger and physically superior than their Female counterparts. Honestly even with all the Lazarus project enhancements Shepard still retains natural strength, that he/she had before.

Meaning that there is a very good chance mShep would be stronger than fShep.

plus its not really all that obious its what Bioware would want as other people pointed out it'd be pretty exspensive to go out of their way to do something like that. (i know i wouldn't bother doing that if it would take lot of money).

Juss my take on it.

[1136342t54_]

Jeth Prime wrote...
One would assume that more mass, would mean more strength. Onless FemShep's enhancements are superior.

Did I say less or more strenght than Male shep exactly? I said earlier that the differences are obviously to small to tell since they are both able to conquer similar situations with the same difficulty and ease. Maybe Fem shep is weaker but its obviously not by any significant margin. Military training mixed in with combat skills and cybernetics closes the gap.

[1136342t54_]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...


Well i see your point, but i also see his point.

The guy is truly not trying to sexist he's just using concrete scientific fact that says Males of the human race are dipositioned to be stronger and physically superior than their Female counterparts. Honestly even with all the Lazarus project enhancements Shepard still retains natural strength, that he/she had before.

Meaning that there is a very good chance mShep would be stronger than fShep.

plus its not really all that obious its what Bioware would want as other people pointed out it'd be pretty exspensive to go out of their way to do something like that. (i know i wouldn't bother doing that if it would take lot of money).

Juss my take on it.

I'm not even claiming that he is sexist or not. Bioware wants to both avoid the sexist arguments as best as they can save money. They have done this in many of their games like Mass Effect to be honest.

The problem I have with some of there arguments is that they don't take into account years of training, skill, cybernetics and genetic enhancements. Sure Male shep is possibly stronger than Fem shep but it isn't in anyway significant. 

[Soccer FeverMan]

1136342t54 wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...


Well i see your point, but i also see his point.

The guy is truly not trying to sexist he's just using concrete scientific fact that says Males of the human race are dipositioned to be stronger and physically superior than their Female counterparts. Honestly even with all the Lazarus project enhancements Shepard still retains natural strength, that he/she had before.

Meaning that there is a very good chance mShep would be stronger than fShep.

plus its not really all that obious its what Bioware would want as other people pointed out it'd be pretty exspensive to go out of their way to do something like that. (i know i wouldn't bother doing that if it would take lot of money).

Juss my take on it.

I'm not even claiming that he is sexist or not. Bioware wants to both avoid the sexist arguments as best as they can save money. They have done this in many of their games like Mass Effect to be honest.

The problem I have with some of there arguments is that they don't take into account years of training, skill, cybernetics and genetic enhancements. Sure Male shep is possibly stronger than Fem shep but it isn't in anyway significant. 

 

Like i said i see your point.

[Jeth Prime]

1136342t54 wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...
One would assume that more mass, would mean more strength. Onless FemShep's enhancements are superior.

Did I say less or more strenght than Male shep exactly? I said earlier that the differences are obviously to small to tell since they are both able to conquer similar situations with the same difficulty and ease. Maybe Fem shep is weaker but its obviously not by any significant margin. Military training mixed in with combat skills and cybernetics closes the gap.

No, I saw your point. And that is the way it is.

[Jessihatt]

I think Male Shep *is* physically superior to Femshep. Or was. As men are. It's a fact and as a female I'm not offended by the OP saying that.
I do think after Lazarus they'd be on par (even though they don't exist in the same playthrough). They have been enhanced after all.
Though yes, Femshep punching the Shadow Broker was a bit 

[Sunnie]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Well i see your point, but i also see his point.

The guy is truly not trying to sexist he's just using concrete scientific fact that says Males of the human race are dipositioned to be stronger and physically superior than their Female counterparts. Honestly even with all the Lazarus project enhancements Shepard still retains natural strength, that he/she had before.

Meaning that there is a very good chance mShep would be stronger than fShep.

Juss my take on it.

I think this is just another one of those males are better than females troll posts that have been cropping up and getting locked for the last year +. I predict a lock soon.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Yes perfect I agree! I don't want a butch fshep! I could barely watch the screen with out going wtf! and laughing at how ridiculous she looked boxing that Yahg most women can't do that! Taking martial arts I found it difficult to toss a grown man around a yahg is much bigger and much heavier then a human male so I really find it hard for her to go all fist to face on that guy. Now Thai kick boxing I could at least take that slightly more seriously with her in that scene for some reason.

Mshep I gawked at and was like no way! But at least I could watch it I expected him to fall over after he did all that and be utterly exhausted but he just walked off which was more a wtf moment then him fist fighting with the yahg was for me. The impact shock that would've been felt by his body doing such forceful endeavour should've taken their toll and he should've used all his energy so technically him walking away shouldn't have occurred within the next scene maybe after a few hours but not right after kicking a 1000 lb badguy's ass. Mshep isn't a body builder.

When I think of the cyber bones issue I think mshep while it would be hard for him and exhausting he could manage to fight the yahg for a short time. But fshep even with her bones I feel her muscles weren't upgraded so would suffer great damage if she did that with her arms even Liara stayed back. Most women aren't as strong as men that's just how it is and when they're portrayed as men 100% I just can't relate and cant stand it to me they're portraying an unrealistic standard to say the least. Fshep being portrayed as a tough Kara Thrace or Vasquez from aliens I could accept but not fshep being msheps clone.

These two should run, walk, sprint, dance, and in some cases fight differently from one another. Punching reporters in the face fine fshep can do that fist fighting yahg or bench pressing krogans no give them different ways to accomplish taking these types of enemies out please!

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 16 août 2011 - 07:31 .

[Arppis]

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think Male Shep *is* physically superior to Femshep. Or was. As men are. It's a fact and as a female I'm not offended by the OP saying that.
I do think after Lazarus they'd be on par (even though they don't exist in the same playthrough). They have been enhanced after all.
Though yes, Femshep punching the Shadow Broker was a bit 

You forget thou that if person A is stronger than person B and they both get boosted with same physical enchancements, that means person A still retains edge over person B. 



And this doesn't make men better than women or something... We just have naturaly more muscle mass and size in this matter.

Modifié par Arppis, 16 août 2011 - 07:32 .

[Jessihatt]

Arppis wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think Male Shep *is* physically superior to Femshep. Or was. As men are. It's a fact and as a female I'm not offended by the OP saying that.
I do think after Lazarus they'd be on par (even though they don't exist in the same playthrough). They have been enhanced after all.
Though yes, Femshep punching the Shadow Broker was a bit 

You forget thou that if person A is stronger than person B and they both get boosted with same physical enchancements, that means person A still retains edge over person B. 

I know  butttttt, as I see it, the cybernetics don't add to their former strength etc.
Maybe me saying enhanced wasn't the right word...
I think the cybernetics replace whatever it was before, so by that logic (or lack thereof..) they're the same.

[Jeth Prime]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Well i see your point, but i also see his point.

The guy is truly not trying to sexist he's just using concrete scientific fact that says Males of the human race are dipositioned to be stronger and physically superior than their Female counterparts. Honestly even with all the Lazarus project enhancements Shepard still retains natural strength, that he/she had before.

Meaning that there is a very good chance mShep would be stronger than fShep.

Juss my take on it.

I think this is just another one of those males are better than females troll posts that have been cropping up and getting locked for the last year +. I predict a lock soon.

I think you just like to ignore what it is people are trying to say, so fo good reason.

[Brand New]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Well i see your point, but i also see his point.

The guy is truly not trying to sexist he's just using concrete scientific fact that says Males of the human race are dipositioned to be stronger and physically superior than their Female counterparts. Honestly even with all the Lazarus project enhancements Shepard still retains natural strength, that he/she had before.

Meaning that there is a very good chance mShep would be stronger than fShep.

Juss my take on it.

I think this is just another one of those males are better than females troll posts that have been cropping up and getting locked for the last year +. I predict a lock soon.

It seems that your are making quite the ignorant statement. have you even read the thread?

[1136342t54_]

Arppis wrote...

You forget thou that if person A is stronger than person B and they both get boosted with same physical enchancements, that means person A still retains edge over person B. 



And this doesn't make men better than women or something... We just have naturaly more muscle mass and size in this matter.

How much of an edge is up for debate (for some reason). We can just say that Male shep is probably stronger but not by much the cut scenes pretty much prove that. Everything else is basiclly equal.

[Jeth Prime]

CommanderJessica wrote...

Arppis wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think Male Shep *is* physically superior to Femshep. Or was. As men are. It's a fact and as a female I'm not offended by the OP saying that.
I do think after Lazarus they'd be on par (even though they don't exist in the same playthrough). They have been enhanced after all.
Though yes, Femshep punching the Shadow Broker was a bit 

You forget thou that if person A is stronger than person B and they both get boosted with same physical enchancements, that means person A still retains edge over person B. 

I know  butttttt, as I see it, the cybernetics don't add to their former strength etc.
Maybe me saying enhanced wasn't the right word...
I think the cybernetics replace whatever it was before, so by that logic (or lack thereof..) they're the same.

You're saying the enhancements REPLACE the natural strength? I'm not sure about that, as the muscle mass is still there.

[1136342t54_]

Brand New wrote...

It seems that your are making quite the ignorant statement. have you even read the thread?

I can somewhat understand why that person would say that. I mean why would you make a thread debating this so far into the series when it seems its pretty much established that Fem shep and Male shep are about the same strenght wise and equal skill iwse?

[snowfox522]

, I think that be something cool that they could do but in reality we probably won't see it happen just because it takes a lot of extra resources to to create two separate animations for every time there's a big action sequence.

[Jessihatt]

Jeth Prime wrote...

You're saying the enhancements REPLACE the natural strength? I'm not sure about that, as the muscle mass is still there.

Also true.. Guess that because the cutscenes are the same, that's what my head came up with for the equal strength excuse. 
I'm not a feminist in anyway so I'm not really bothered if Male Shepard is stronger than Female Shepard. Prior to ME2, I would say without question that he was stronger than she.

[Jeth Prime]

1136342t54 wrote...

Brand New wrote...

It seems that your are making quite the ignorant statement. have you even read the thread?

I can somewhat understand why that person would say that. I mean why would you make a thread debating this so far into the series when it seems its pretty much established that Fem shep and Male shep are about the same strenght wise and equal skill iwse?

I don't remember many displays of strength, other than Shepard throwing Ashley are Kaiden(which looked weird to me. Not the woman throwing the man, but the man being thrown by the woman), or maybe Saren getting punched in the face(doesn't really aply).

[Brand New]

1136342t54 wrote...

Brand New wrote...

It seems that your are making quite the ignorant statement. have you even read the thread?

I can somewhat understand why that person would say that. I mean why would you make a thread debating this so far into the series when it seems its pretty much established that Fem shep and Male shep are about the same strenght wise and equal skill iwse?

I can't. If they had read the thread it would easily be recognized that it is more then "guys are better then girls"

I just noticed it while playing LoTSB as femshep. It seemed highly unlikley that even smaller then sheploo femshep could deal any type of damage to a Yagh. The omni shiled is as big as sheploo maybe a bit bigger, but femshep is trumped by the shield..

Sure it is late to recognize, but there is nothing wrong with a healthy debate about an issue that questions the debt of the games. I found it to be amazing that Hale does such a good job with voice acting for femshep, but the fact the actions are the same is slighly dissapointing. You'd think a male a female would have different perspectives of certain situations and how to handle them with efficency according to their physcial capabilities.

[Jeth Prime]

CommanderJessica wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...

You're saying the enhancements REPLACE the natural strength? I'm not sure about that, as the muscle mass is still there.

Also true.. Guess that because the cutscenes are the same, that's what my head came up with for the equal strength excuse. 
I'm not a feminist in anyway so I'm not really bothered if Male Shepard is stronger than Female Shepard. Prior to ME2, I would say without question that he was stronger than she.

No one is calling you one, and I would've said the same thing, but it does seem as though they are the same.

[Sunnie]

Brand New wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Well i see your point, but i also see his point.

The guy is truly not trying to sexist he's just using concrete scientific fact that says Males of the human race are dipositioned to be stronger and physically superior than their Female counterparts. Honestly even with all the Lazarus project enhancements Shepard still retains natural strength, that he/she had before.

Meaning that there is a very good chance mShep would be stronger than fShep.

Juss my take on it.

I think this is just another one of those males are better than females troll posts that have been cropping up and getting locked for the last year +. I predict a lock soon.

It seems that your are making quite the ignorant statement. have you even read the thread?

Actually, I have. I find it just as ridiculous now as I have in the past similar threads. Just because you think Males are bigger and stronger doesn't mean a demure female isn't strong enough or smart enough to accomplish the same things. Yes, muscle mass is one thing, but physical size =/= equal stronger.  I am rather thin IRL, but I can lay out a 275 man any day of the week, no problem.  Like I noted, this subject has been done before, and they all end up locked. 

[1136342t54_]

Jeth Prime wrote...
I don't remember many displays of strength, other than Shepard throwing Ashley are Kaiden(which looked weird to me. Not the woman throwing the man, but the man being thrown by the woman), or maybe Saren getting punched in the face(doesn't really aply).

So picking up a large piece of debree off of Sheps comrades on the Collector station, punching out two armored guards, taking down two armored turians, trading blows with a Yahg etc aren't displays of strength? lol JK but those are some examples.

[Jeth Prime]

1136342t54 wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...
I don't remember many displays of strength, other than Shepard throwing Ashley are Kaiden(which looked weird to me. Not the woman throwing the man, but the man being thrown by the woman), or maybe Saren getting punched in the face(doesn't really aply).

So picking up a large piece of debree off of Sheps comrades on the Collector station, punching out two armored guards, taking down two armored turians, trading blows with a Yahg etc aren't displays of strength? lol JK but those are some examples.

I meant, I don't remember too many in Mass Effect. There were several in Mass Effect 2. And the punchs were so much displays of strength, but skill.

[1136342t54_]

Brand New wrote...

I can't. If they had read the thread it would easily be recognized that it is more then "guys are better then girls"

I just noticed it while playing LoTSB as femshep. It seemed highly unlikley that even smaller then sheploo femshep could deal any type of damage to a Yagh. The omni shiled is as big as sheploo maybe a bit bigger, but femshep is trumped by the shield..

Both fem shep and male shep if they were normal should have pretty much died in that fight. The simple answer is is that they are both far from a normal human being and not too far from a Halo Spartan II supersoldier.

Sure it is late to recognize, but there is nothing wrong with a healthy debate about an issue that questions the debt of the games. I found it to be amazing that Hale does such a good job with voice acting for femshep, but the fact the actions are the same is slighly dissapointing. You'd think a male a female would have different perspectives of certain situations and how to handle them with efficency according to their physcial capabilities.

The thing is that would open things up for a different type of sexism by saying the woman see things more efficiently all the time and a man would just brute force their way through when it isn't necessary. Its not hard to believe that Male shep is stronger than Fem shep but not by much.

[1136342t54_]

Jeth Prime wrote...
I meant, I don't remember too many in Mass Effect. There were several in Mass Effect 2. And the punchs were so much displays of strength, but skill.

Kind of shows how skill kind of trumps strenght though. I did say they were equal in skill level and almost equal in strenght.