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How to best implement same-sex romance in ME3?


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#51
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Russalka wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Ok I get where your coming from You want more of what DA2 had.  You want 2 people just talking to turn in DO ME NAO!


It was not like that for me in Dragon Age 2.

Perhaps you think bisexuals are like that in general then? That is rather offensive.


LOL I played DA2
I had Anders hit on me the second I meet him.
I was playing Female and was pushing for romance with someone else.
This somehow makes me think all bisexuals are like this?
I'm not against Bisexuals in the game I'm talking about turning everyone bisexual just so you people who do want it wont feel bad.

ARG that came out wrong!  I wasn't saying i think all bisexuals are like this I was asking why is it one thing in a game makes it look like I do!

Modifié par Rockworm503, 16 août 2011 - 10:49 .


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Anders was needy. It was very in-character for him.

If Mass Effect 3 brings any revelations like these, I hope they will be well-written.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

This somehow makes me think all bisexuals are like this.

There goes my impression that you actually wanted an intelligent discussion

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not against Bisexuals in the game I'm talking about turning everyone bisexual just so you people who do want it wont feel bad.

Actually, who is advocating for turning everyone bi? Also, you do know it's already confirmed it won't happen right?

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IsaacShep wrote...

Urhm what?

If you go through the ME2 audio files, you can find female romance scenes with Tali. Who knows why they stripped it.

IsaacShep wrote...
Garrus wouldn't do that. He's not sexually into humans. He basically blatantly admits it to FemShep. He's only going to stick "it" in her because she wants it and he respects her as a friend blah blah. He never 'comes' onto FemShep, so why would he do that onto ManShep?

I never really thought of it that way, but good point, that works. I guess a good example of a character that wouldn't turn Bi-Sexual is someone like Miranda, or Jacob, perhaps. I could see Kaiden as a great candidate for this, maybe even Ashley (although I do not know how religious people in the future accept homosexuality).

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IsaacShep wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

This somehow makes me think all bisexuals are like this.

There goes my impression that you actually wanted an intelligent discussion

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not against Bisexuals in the game I'm talking about turning everyone bisexual just so you people who do want it wont feel bad.

Actually, who is advocating for turning everyone bi? Also, you do know it's already confirmed it won't happen right?


Dammit I edited that Iwas so not saying I think all Bisexuals are like that.  I know a Bi in real life that quote is not what I meant to say!
Edit: Also Isaac you seem to be more level headed about the whole thing.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 16 août 2011 - 10:51 .


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I think a simple solution would be just to introduce more gay and bisexual characters. How about that Vega? I thought that making all of the characters in Dragon age 2 a potential romance option was cheap. It made the game revolve around the PC instead of the PC being plunged into a flourishing world. I think that each character having their unique preferences is greater character development and adds to replay value. And I agree that some aliens should just not be attracted to humans. Do you find Krogan sexy? And there is the whole biochemical inter species fluid thing.

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Vega would be fun, yes.

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Kakistos_ wrote...

I think that each character having their unique preferences is greater character development and adds to replay value.

I'm not sure how unique preferences add to replay value. You can still only romance one character per game. If anything, it detracts from it -- with "all bi", you have potentially double the amount of PCs for each LI should you choose. Not that i don't think this is a sort of silly argument to begin with.

Modifié par ipgd, 16 août 2011 - 10:54 .


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Dionkey wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Urhm what?

If you go through the ME2 audio files, you can find female romance scenes with Tali. Who knows why they stripped it.

The had both voice actors cover everything to make sure they didn't miss anything.

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Here is an equation to why this is and issue.

Fem Shep + Tali = No little masked children
Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Therefore, No little masked children = big no no.

KEEP IT HETRO

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Kakistos_ wrote...

I think a simple solution would be just to introduce more gay and bisexual characters. How about that Vega? I thought that making all of the characters in Dragon age 2 a potential romance option was cheap. It made the game revolve around the PC instead of the PC being plunged into a flourishing world. I think that each character having their unique preferences is greater character development and adds to replay value. And I agree that some aliens should just not be attracted to humans. Do you find Krogan sexy? And there is the whole biochemical inter species fluid thing.



Well...there was that one breeding request for Shepard after deep sixing the thresher maw. Let me get my beer goggles on and we'll take a look.Image IPB

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IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

The same applies for everyone.

What if they make Kasumi a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

What if they make Zaeed a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

What if they make Joker a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

What if they make Samara a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

It has nothing to do with whether they're straight, gay or bi.


What if they make Garrus a LI in ME2 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME1?

What if they make Tali a LI in ME2 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME1?

Ah, doesn't matter. My problem isn't "who will be romanced and by which gender" - while it's justified for character, s/he may want to romance whoever s/he likes. And even not "what if I accidentally romance person" - ME2 LI is more cautious in this question than Microsoft Windows - "Are you sure? You sure sure? Sure sure sure?". My only, but very irritating problem, is own protagonist pulling seductive voice and getting on table around potential LI. But I hope ME3 will be free of such nasty surprises, no matter what orientation will be characters around.

Modifié par mineralica, 16 août 2011 - 11:04 .


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Dionkey wrote...
 If you go through the ME2 audio files, you can find female romance scenes with Tali. Who knows why they stripped it.

Maybe the same reason they stripped Ashley, Kaidan, Jack & Thane's s/s romances? You knew about that right?

IsaacShep wrote...
I never really thought of it that way, but good point, that works. I guess a good example of a character that wouldn't turn Bi-Sexual is someone like Miranda, or Jacob, perhaps. I could see Kaiden as a great candidate for this, maybe even Ashley (although I do not know how religious people in the future accept homosexuality).

Miranda & Jacob, maybe, maybe not. As obvious as it is they're into the opposite sex, it is also a fact they've never declared they're not into the same-sex. I ain't saying "no one did it so they should make them all bi ha!". My point is, all of them may be bisexual, the doors are opened. If any of them becomes available for s/s romance in ME3, it won't contradict anything previously stated because nothing was stated regarding their like or dislike towards the same-sex. It's the same as with "Luke I'm your father" situation.

As for religion, there are many religion even in 2011 that accept homosexuality and considering we don't know what Ashley's religion is, it's not an argument.

Mr vas normandy wrote...

Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Keep telling yourself that.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 août 2011 - 11:09 .


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mineralica wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

The same applies for everyone.

What if they make Kasumi a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

What if they make Zaeed a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

What if they make Joker a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

What if they make Samara a LI in ME3 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME2?

It has nothing to do with whether they're straight, gay or bi.


What if they make Garrus a LI in ME2 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME1?

What if they make Tali a LI in ME2 when she showed no interest in Sheploo, or Femshep in ME1?

Ah, doesn't matter. My problem isn't "who will be romanced and by which gender" - while it's justified for character, s/he may want to romance whoever s/he likes. And even not "what if I accidentally romance person" - ME2 LI is more cautious in this question than Microsoft Windows - "Are you sure? You sure sure? Sure sure sure?". My only, but very irritating problem, is own protagonist pulling seductive voice and getting on table around potential LI. But I hope ME3 will be free of such nasty surprises, no matter what orientation will be characters around.


I'm a bit of a talimancer myself, but I (believe) I'm on the record (in other threads) as saying that the game should just do away with LIs altogether. None of it really matters.

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Mr vas normandy wrote...

Here is an equation to why this is and issue.

Fem Shep + Tali = No little masked children
Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Therefore, No little masked children = big no no.

KEEP IT HETRO


Uh.. she's not human.

Even with Sheploo; there wouldn't be any kids. :wizard:

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lols... what's this about choosing carefully? It's pretty obvious when you're about to start a romance in ME2. If you get gay-ninjamanced in ME3, I think you deserve what you get for being so careless with your dialogue choices.

Maybe you should just "think before you speak", so to speak.

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Dionkey wrote...

 As I've said before, same-sex romances are fine, but do not force it in there to look good. A new character that is bi/gay would be fine, but don't reverse all of the characters sexualities to raise the bar. Changing key characters sexuality is like changign their race, it makes no sense and is frankly stupid.



Agree brandnew characters only for s/s for the recently retconed mshep and the from ME bi potential fshep makes sense, it's easier sense these new guys are unknowns, and no one has to go through my prior friend crewmate wants me in bed. Plus we have the added bonus that the majority of people are fine with brandnew characters being s/s. If anyone was going to open up to shep they should've done it in ME2 a SM should've done it. Out side of mods only Liara is a true s/s romance trilogy person.

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Mr vas normandy wrote...

Here is an equation to why this is and issue.

Fem Shep + Tali = No little masked children
Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Therefore, No little masked children = big no no.

KEEP IT HETRO


THIS IS WHY MIRANDA SHOULD BE F/F EXCLUSIVE!!!!

Modifié par jlb524, 16 août 2011 - 11:16 .


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Jack should be romanceable by femshep

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 11:22 .


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People change their gender attraction in real life, so why can't it be any different in the ME universe?
Captain Jack Harkness comes to mind where he was married but mostly he just likes to f**k anything that moves. In Torchwood, Ianto wasn't "gay" before he met Jack. He told his sister, "It's weird. It's just different. It's not... men... it's just him....It's only him."

So apply that to Shepard. Why does an attraction to Shepard have to automatically label someone as bisexual? Shepard has a strong enough personality that people can't help but follow him/her. So does gender have to even come in to this at all?
Straight girls have girl crushes, and men can say they have man crushes. Love is love no matter what gender.


It shouldn't be that big of surprise, then, if everyone is romanceable by Shepard.

Modifié par Caseshep, 16 août 2011 - 11:29 .


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IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Just like to point out here that this whole thread is pointless.

Neither side will admit that they're wrong about anything.

As it has been with every thread before it.

It starts out bringing up a few points and then devolves into "You're a homophobe!" and "I don't want established characters to go gay!" and back to "Well they never told you they weren't!" then "You don't have to tell everyone you're straight in order to be straight!" and finally back to "You're a homophobe!"


Unless I've misunderstood the OP this thread is about how same sex relationships should be implemented.

The problem that usually occurs in these threads tends to be peoples ability to discuss how best to implement it without either: Affirming their views on homosexuality, or indeed others expressing outrage that they have been offended, or that other people might be offended by what someone has said.

I think if we are serious about the implementation of same sex relationships, an open discussion about it is a good idea. Wheather or not people here are mature enough to have said discussion is another matter.

I think a selection in the character creator, in the guise of filling out your personnel file or something similar, stating your sexual orientation (which is the kind of stuff people take records of; marital status, sexual orientation, do you have any dependants, that sort of stuff.) would work. I know a few people don't like this because that's not how it is in real life. I've been considering this topic myself, weighing up my like for realism in gaming against making a gaming decision that would make the world you play in more desirable. 

I've came to the conclusion that the option at the begining of the game would make most people enjoy their gaming experiance. I know this might be unpopular with some, but I feel it's the best comprimise. 

I'm aware that there are plenty of tolerant gamers who would feel turning down a sexual advance by someone of the same sex isn't a big deal. Who would barley even register that it happend at all. But there are a lot of religious people that play games, with deeply held beliefs that their families have been brought up with for thousands of years. I'm also aware there are many who strongly disagree with them and think their dogmatic wierdos who should keep up with the times. However I still believe that respect for peoples faiths is an important attribute to have, and think the toggle would be the most considerate way to handle it.

As I said in the second paragraph, it's not a decision I've came to that suits my beliefs best, or to deliberately alienate anyone. It's just since we are seriously talking about same sex relationships in the game, doesn't mean we should disregard peoples faiths. 

If we are going by what I personally believe I think, that is realism in games, which means best simulating in the game world what we experiance in the real world. That includes homosexual peoples and straight ones. I think people should be able to interact with well thought out characters who are straight and ones who aren't.

However as I said before I think the toggle just avoids seriously offending people needlessly.

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Mr vas normandy wrote...

Here is an equation to why this is and issue.

Fem Shep + Tali = No little masked children
Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Therefore, No little masked children = big no no.

KEEP IT HETRO


What!?.....Shep and Tali are two difference species, there's NO children period....Garrus/Shep no kids....Thane/Shep no kids...the only exception are Asari.....Your argument fails, in fact based on your logic your suggesting manShep shouldn't romance her either then.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 16 août 2011 - 11:34 .


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Déjà vu.

Again.

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Mr vas normandy wrote...

Here is an equation to why this is and issue.

Fem Shep + Tali = No little masked children
Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Therefore, No little masked children = big no no.

KEEP IT HETRO

The square root of No x No is a No, which is to say, in layman's terms, DOES NOT COMPUTE!

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Davie McG wrote...
But there are a lot of religious people that play games, with deeply held beliefs that their families have been brought up with for thousands of years. I'm also aware there are many who strongly disagree with them and think their dogmatic wierdos who should keep up with the times. However I still believe that respect for peoples faiths is an important attribute to have, and think the toggle would be the most considerate way to handle it.

I'm sorry, but if religious people play a game in which they literaly kill hundreds of thousands people (often innocent) and are OK with this then it is simply pure hipocrisy to ask for a sexual orientation toggle. Not to mention there've been lesbian reltionships in the previous two games and back then no one demanded a toggle.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 août 2011 - 11:37 .