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[Jestina]

Most game companies are still stuck in the old...it's okay if the person is female, but not if they are male in regards to same sex relations. But that's what you get stuck with when most of the designers are nerdy males.

[Sundance31us]

IsaacShep wrote...
I'm sorry, but if religious people play a game in which they literaly kill hundreds of thousands people (often innocent) and are OK with this then it is simply pure hipocrisy to ask for a sexual orientation toggle. Not to mention there've been lesbian reltionships in the previous two games and back then no one demanded a toggle.

That's because most men are lesbians caught in a man's body. :innocent:

[sTrYkZ1LLa]

Sexual orientation toggle...what's next a black toggle get over it... If you can't handle the thought of ss relationships or if the thought is so shocking to you, never leave you basement because it's a part of life deal with it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

This thread should get locked down and replaced with a thread on ninjamancing, S/S is too touchy of a subject to be discussed on "teh intarwebz"


That and his post was about not wanting to get to know his team and then all the sudden he gets stuck in an undesired relationship,not neccesarily S/S at that,the title of the thread is one of those titles that people just completely ignore the OP and go on a personal tirade.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 11:48 .

[syllogi]

Mr vas normandy wrote...

Here is an equation to why this is and issue.

Fem Shep + Tali = No little masked children
Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Therefore, No little masked children = big no no.

KEEP IT HETRO

Tali deserves a love interest who understands basic biology, not to mention good grammar and spelling.

[Rogue Unit]

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

Sexual orientation toggle...what's next a black toggle get over it... If you can't handle the thought of ss relationships or if the thought is so shocking to you, never leave you basement because it's a part of life deal with it.

I normally don't paticpate in threads like this since it all pointless re-hashing of arguments from before ME2, but did someone actually suggest a sexual orientation toggle? We've just hit a new low.

[jlb524]

Sundance31us wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
I'm sorry, but if religious people play a game in which they literaly kill hundreds of thousands people (often innocent) and are OK with this then it is simply pure hipocrisy to ask for a sexual orientation toggle. Not to mention there've been lesbian reltionships in the previous two games and back then no one demanded a toggle.

That's because most men are lesbians caught in a man's body. :innocent:

Speaking as a lesbian...no, they are not.

[Golden Owl]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

This thread is not about whether same-sex romance is moral or not, but about the practicality of it being implanted in ME3.


How would this be implanted in ME3?  I have heard some say that all of the party members should be Bi, however that means, if say i wanted to play a male shepard but not have romance, i would not only have to choose carefully when talking to females (which i had to do in the previous games), but also the males as well.


So how would you implant same-sex romance in ME3?

Make all the pary members Bi?  Or only a few?  Or perhaps have an opition before you start the game, in whether you want same-sex romance on or off.

My Shep is romanceless....so I have to think about my dialog options, aren't we supposed to anyway? My Shep dodges females, no big issue with dodging male too....in saying that, yes BW needs to fix the dialog wheel (looking at you Tali, Miranda, Jack and Ashley) so we do know what we are heading for...but thats an issue with the dialog wheel not fitting the actual dialog...not who's hot for Shep and who's not.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

jlb524 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
I'm sorry, but if religious people play a game in which they literaly kill hundreds of thousands people (often innocent) and are OK with this then it is simply pure hipocrisy to ask for a sexual orientation toggle. Not to mention there've been lesbian reltionships in the previous two games and back then no one demanded a toggle.

That's because most men are lesbians caught in a man's body. :innocent:

Speaking as a lesbian...no, they are not.

I don't think you read her post very well.

She said most Men are lesbians in a mans body.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 11:51 .

[leggywillow]

Mr vas normandy wrote...

Here is an equation to why this is and issue.

Fem Shep + Tali = No little masked children
Male Shep + Tali = Little masked children

Therefore, No little masked children = big no no.

KEEP IT HETRO

;_;

Please be a troll.  For the love of all that is still good and decent in this world, please.

[Golden Owl]

IsaacShep wrote...

Davie McG wrote...
But there are a lot of religious people that play games, with deeply held beliefs that their families have been brought up with for thousands of years. I'm also aware there are many who strongly disagree with them and think their dogmatic wierdos who should keep up with the times. However I still believe that respect for peoples faiths is an important attribute to have, and think the toggle would be the most considerate way to handle it.

I'm sorry, but if religious people play a game in which they literaly kill hundreds of thousands people (often innocent) and are OK with this then it is simply pure hipocrisy to ask for a sexual orientation toggle. Not to mention there've been lesbian reltionships in the previous two games and back then no one demanded a toggle.

Very well pointed out Isaac.

[Rogue Unit]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
I'm sorry, but if religious people play a game in which they literaly kill hundreds of thousands people (often innocent) and are OK with this then it is simply pure hipocrisy to ask for a sexual orientation toggle. Not to mention there've been lesbian reltionships in the previous two games and back then no one demanded a toggle.

That's because most men are lesbians caught in a man's body. :innocent:

Speaking as a lesbian...no, they are not.

I don't think you read her post very well.

She said most Men are lesbians in a mans body.

Alot of men like to see two women kiss. *cough*

I assume the opposite is true for some women.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 16 août 2011 - 11:54 .

[Davie McG]

IsaacShep wrote...

Davie McG wrote...
But there are a lot of religious people that play games, with deeply held beliefs that their families have been brought up with for thousands of years. I'm also aware there are many who strongly disagree with them and think their dogmatic wierdos who should keep up with the times. However I still believe that respect for peoples faiths is an important attribute to have, and think the toggle would be the most considerate way to handle it.

I'm sorry, but if religious people play a game in which they literaly kill hundreds of thousands people (often innocent) and are OK with this then it is simply pure hipocrisy to ask for a sexual orientation toggle. Not to mention there've been lesbian reltionships in the previous two games and back then no one demanded a toggle.

I've considered this myself, and your right it is hypocritical.

The thing is people are pretty desensitised to death in games, but not homosexuality. It's a sad state of affairs but its true.

A lot of people would be offended by being hit on by someone of their own sex. I'm not saying that's right, or that I agree with it, but something like faith is so heavily ingrained in people that it's staggering to think about how deeply it effects them. I just think that if you could avoid deeply offending someone, why not avoid it? 

It's not a question of whether it's right or wrong, but rather how best should it be handled?

Should we just barge ahead ham fisted into a idealistic world of tolerance? or should we say fu©k em', and if they don't like it then tough sh¡t?

The best way to deal with it for me would be if Bioware wrote the game in such a way that if they wanted to engage in same sex romances then let people do that, so long as it isn't forced onto others, or ninjamanced as people like to call it. The only problem with that if we're trying to make a game to suit everyone is that it's hard to do that and also escape the atmosphere (if that's the right word), the feeling or 'vibe' that something could be happening between the lines. It's a form of ninjamance that I've found the most creepy with these games, and it could make people highly uncomfortable if they arn't ok with it.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Are we really arguing about a toggle for a player-driven, optional feature?  Really? 

[spirosz]

Davie McG wrote...

I've considered this myself, and your right it is hypocritical.

The thing is people are pretty desensitised to death in games, but not homosexuality. It's a sad state of affairs but its true.

A lot of people would be offended by being hit on by someone of their own sex. I'm not saying that's right, or that I agree with it, but something like faith is so heavily ingrained in people that it's staggering to think about how deeply it effects them. I just think that if you could avoid deeply offending someone, why not avoid it? 

It's not a question of whether it's right or wrong, but rather how best should it be handled?

Should we just barge ahead ham fisted into a idealistic world of tolerance? or should we say fu©k em', and if they don't like it then tough sh¡t?

The best way to deal with it for me would be if Bioware wrote the game in such a way that if they wanted to engage in same sex romances then let people do that, so long as it isn't forced onto others, or ninjamanced as people like to call it. The only problem with that if we're trying to make a game to suit everyone is that it's hard to do that and also escape the atmosphere (if that's the right word), the feeling or 'vibe' that something could be happening between the lines. It's a form of ninjamance that I've found the most creepy with these games, and it could make people highly uncomfortable if they arn't ok with it.

I believe that's the best solution.  You, the player have to initiate progress towards whichever path you want to take.  Personally, I'll be fine with any character being Bi/Gay/Straight, whatever.  It won't affect my game because I'm straight and I won't make advances and if say, Garrus was to become BI, it wouldn't change my feeling towards him as being my "bro" because his sexual prefrence doesn't matter to me. 

[Sundance31us]

Rogue Unit wrote...
Alot of men like to see two women kiss. *cough*

I assume the opposite is true for some women.

Speaking as a woman, not so much men kissing. I've found the periodicals to have a better quality *cough* images.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I feel bad for the OP, they didn't mean to start a flame war,but no one can read an OP with a title like that,so due to a poor choice in words,so very few are actually responding to the OP and instead are just fueling a S/S debate... there is a thread for that.

Haven't even seen the OP in a few pages,y'all went and killed him.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 17 août 2011 - 12:03 .

[furryrage59]

I'd prefer characters to have their own sexualities rather than everyone being bi-sexual. Seems lazy.

[Asch Lavigne]

I just don't think characters who weren't romanceable by certain sexes in either sexes in previous games should stay that way. If Garrus wasn't gay in ME2 then why should he be all of s sudden in ME3?

[spirosz]

furryrage59 wrote...

I'd prefer characters to have their own sexualities rather than everyone being bi-sexual. Seems lazy.

Bioware has stated that not everyone is going to be bi.  So they're not going the DA2 route. 

[Davie McG]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Are we really arguing about a toggle for a player-driven, optional feature?  Really? 

The multi-gendered toggle genders in Mass Effect, I don't find it too outrageous to suggest doing the same thing with sexual orientation

Edit: Might I also add that a toggle doesn't rule out bisexuality, if you want the choice to be able to potentially seek straight and  homosexual love interests you needn't be excluded by the use of a toggle.

Further edit: I'm almost sure this was in general discussion, was the thread moved?

Modifié par Davie McG, 17 août 2011 - 12:11 .

[Ellyria]

Rockworm503 wrote...
Garrus talks about female Krogan flexibility like sharing his sex stories with his buds.

This is way late but... Garrus had sex with female Krogans? *has horrible images in her head that demand brain bleach*

As for ninjamancing... I got ninjamanced by Kaidan, Zevran, Leliana, and Anders, and I think my psyche is intact. =) The best thing I think Bioware can do to prevent it is have only Shepard hit on people, and make the dialogue option painfully obvious or give it a heart option like in DA2.

[leggywillow]

Chylise wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
Garrus talks about female Krogan flexibility like sharing his sex stories with his buds.

This is way late but... Garrus had sex with female Krogans? *has horrible images in her head that demand brain bleach*

Wait, what?  He doesn't say that.  The story he tells is about a female turian he served with.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Chylise wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
Garrus talks about female Krogan flexibility like sharing his sex stories with his buds.

This is way late but... Garrus had sex with female Krogans? *has horrible images in her head that demand brain bleach*

As for ninjamancing... I got ninjamanced by Kaidan, Zevran, Leliana, and Anders, and I think my psyche is intact. =) The best thing I think Bioware can do to prevent it is have only Shepard hit on people, and make the dialogue option painfully obvious or give it a heart option like in DA2.

Make the dialogue wheel more clear-cut so that you are either just getting to know them,or hitting on them as well.

Problem solved.

[Toki]

I think certain character's should be based on their personality. For instance;
Garrus would be straight, but Jack is a lesbian? Meaning no offense to anybody or the characters, but just their personalities, their reactions, ect, it would/wouldn't make sense for certain characters to be straight, gay, or bi.

If they did everyone same-sex romances, though, similar to DA II, I wouldn't mind it though. It wouldn't affect me if I'm not doing the romance so in all honesty it doesn't matter too much to me.