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[Rocket_Man77]

thats false. at the beginning of the game, I cannot pick whether or not I am good or evil. If I picked good, then why are there renegade (evil) options.

Modifié par Rocket_Man77, 17 août 2011 - 01:19 .

[devSin]

The problem with the "gay toggle" is that you're not asking to define something about Shepard; you're asking to be able to toggle off certain content only (content that is already optional and can be immediately dismissed with a single dialogue response).

If the game has an option at character creation to make Shepard gay, then my gay male Shepard damn well better be gay. She better work it, she better own it, and she better be fabulous. And my lesbian Shepard should be able to kill and skin a Reaper with one hand and then ride off on her chopper.

If it just means that Ashley or Kaidan will no longer have a dialogue option with a Shepard of the same gender where you can choose to attempt a romance, then call it what it really is: the No ****** button. Because it's not going to be changing a single thing about the Shepard that's portrayed in the game.

Modifié par devSin, 17 août 2011 - 01:22 .

[Xilizhra]

The problem with your idea is that anyone who genuinely had no issues with being in contact with homosexuals would never take it, thus making it a waste of resources.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Davie McG wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

Its obvious bioware should let you pick your sexual orientation at the beginning of the game. Its that simple.

And if the next thing you see is someone demanding an option to turn off asian people from hitting on you right from the beginning? What argument will you use to not allow that person have his/her toggle?

Davie McG wrote...

Of course not. What I'm saying is
Shepard is in his/her thirties, his/her sexuality by now is as much a
part of him/her as any other aspect of himself/herself. Deciding that at
the begining would accommodate everyone, whether they want a bisexual
character or a straight one or a homosexual one.

Ok so we will define our sexuality at the beginning. The point of it? It's not like every living being in the Galaxy knows Shepard and what his sexual orientation is so there would be still confident people of both genders/different species hitting on him?

I'm just saying it's an option that accommodates everyone and would result in a game world that the player would be happiest in. I'm not saying that's realistic but it gives everybody all options. If you want to be with LI's of both genders you can go ahead and be bisexual, have both sexes hitting on you, if you don't like it then that's fine too, chose a straight character or a homosexual one. 

If you don't like my idea then that's O.K., that's just my opinion on it.

So now on top of customizing the face of my character, choosing genders, and pre-service history, as well as psychological background I know must choose the sexuality of my character. Sorry but I would not be happy with that game it would be the stupidest thing I ever saw and when that happens I will hang up the towel on gaming.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Quething wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

there is already a s/s forum. What do you think about that? so they must be against "heterosexuals."

Its obvious bioware should let you pick your sexual orientation at the beginning of the game. Its that simple.

this doesn't have to be a hateful topic

BioWare does let you pick your sexual orientation at the beginning of the game.

BioWare then offers you opportunities to put that sexual orientation into practice. By tossing love interests at you and letting you pursue them, if appropriate.

You know. Like how they let you choose your moral outlook (paragon/renegade) at the beginning of the game, then let you put that into practice by tossing decisions at you and letting you choose which dialog option and actions you'll pursue.

We call this "roleplaying." It's sort of a core concept to the series. You get to choose who your Shepard is, then act that out through in-game choices. BioWare is simply finally evening the scale, and letting queer male Shepards act out their sexuality through active means (pursuing male suitors) rather than through passive means (turning down female suitors).

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Yes because you really do know the person behind the screen. Please stop putting words in my mouth, you really don't know anything about me.

I really dislike people who scream "HOMOPHOBE" without any evidence at any oppurtunity they get in topics dealing with same-sex romance.

I was under the impression this was about s/s romances in Mass Effect, not s/s marriage? There's no marriage of any kind in Mass Effect, that I'm aware of. Hmn.

There I fixed it, sorry about that.  But im sure you get the picture in what im saying.  Please don't judge people online when you don't have any info about their true selves.

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 17 août 2011 - 01:23 .

[Rocket_Man77]

I've just realized something! The homosexuals do not want an option to be Bisexual, Heterosexual, or Homosexual, because they don't want people to experience the game without homosexuals in it. it all makes since.

[shepskisaac]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

in real life, you can pick and choose whoever you please. If you are racist, or gay, it is your life. all i can say is: if you are racist, and hate gays, then you are ignorant. you should except everybody, even though you may not agree with there lifestyle.

But you just said turning off asian people from hitting on you shouldn't be allowed becase that's racist and of course, because you said it shouldn't be allowed you consider it unacceptable. You brought real life argument against asians-off toggle so you can't treat my real-life argument against gay-toggle differently.

Davie McG wrote...

If you don't like my idea then that's O.K., that's just my opinion on it.

I don't. Because it accomodates people who are against certain other people for no logical reason.

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

I've just realized something! The homosexuals do not want an option to be Bisexual, Heterosexual, or Homosexual, because they don't want people to experience the game without homosexuals in it. it all makes since.

Of course. We exist. And we wouldn't like to be 'turned off'. Just like you wouldn't like to be 'turned off' because someone doesn't like left-handed people, or your skin color, or your nationaly or any stuff you didn't chose for yourself.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 août 2011 - 01:28 .

[rapscallioness]

CuseGirl wrote...

I still dont understand why people get so upset that a character could be gay in SOMEONE elses GAME! If some1 right now is having a gay ME-2/3 LI on their own console, I could not care less.....

"it cheapens the story if everyone is bi"....as if my story or some other guys story is going to leech onto your story thru the PSN/Xbox network

I don't think everyone should be Bi, either. Not because it "cheapens" in the way that does sound , but rather because it would be like BW just slapped on some s/s options w/out taking the time to build realistic characters. I want defined characters that may happen to be str8; gay; lesbian or Bi. Don't just throw on some quick one size fits all characters kinda thing like s/s omnigel.

[Rocket_Man77]

you are playing a video game. this isn't real life. The point of a video game is entertainment. I would have more entertainment with homosexuality off. I've worked at fast food restaurant as a cashier, and you get some pretty odd stares, from some pretty odd folks. I would like to keep my entertainment my way.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Maybe I should press this button right here and turn off this thread. You know since I don't wanna be associated with it.

[Rocket_Man77]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

you are playing a video game. this isn't real life. The point of a video game is entertainment. I would have more entertainment with homosexuality off. I've worked at fast food restaurant as a cashier, and you get some pretty odd stares, from some pretty odd folks. I would like to keep my entertainment my way. I'm glad those days are over with.

[Rocket_Man77]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

Maybe I should press this button right here and turn off this thread. You know since I don't wanna be associated with it.

my hands are tired of typing. I agree with you. I think i'm done with this thread.

homosexuals want everyone to experience characters that are gay. that the bottomline. I've read there comments, and that seems to be what they want.

[Chun Hei]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

I've just realized something! The homosexuals do not want an option to be Bisexual, Heterosexual, or Homosexual, because they don't want people to experience the game without homosexuals in it. it all makes since.

I am straight woman and want a s/s option for my male characters. Many male players say they like playing lesbian characters. The s/s option is for everyone smart enough to make in game LI decisions even if they do not want a s/s hero. I would recommend you avoid "mature" game in the future if you do not like s/s content since more developers have said they are going to implement it.

[Jog0907]

hehe thought my proposal was a good one, I guess I didnt consider the fact that it also turned into gay on/off for the whole galaxy, my mistake, hmm back to thinking. I suppose I wanted to simplify things but I guess it did made things way too simple to be acceptable.

[shepskisaac]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

you are playing a video game. this isn't real life. The point of a video game is entertainment. I would have more entertainment with homosexuality off. I've worked at fast food restaurant as a cashier, and you get some pretty odd stares, from some pretty odd folks. I would like to keep my entertainment my way.

Again, what if it would make someone's entartainment better to turn off left-handness, blackness, alieness, combat, exploration, mass effectness? On this argument you can toggle every single aspect of the entire game.

[Rocket_Man77]

Chun Hei wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

I've just realized something! The homosexuals do not want an option to be Bisexual, Heterosexual, or Homosexual, because they don't want people to experience the game without homosexuals in it. it all makes since.

I am straight woman and want a s/s option for my male characters. Many male players say they like playing lesbian characters. The s/s option is for everyone smart enough to make in game LI decisions even if they do not want a s/s hero. I would recommend you avoid "mature" game in the future if you do not like s/s content since more developers have said they are going to implement it.

please name  these developers for me. I'm dying to count them all.

Modifié par Rocket_Man77, 17 août 2011 - 01:33 .

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

Maybe I should press this button right here and turn off this thread. You know since I don't wanna be associated with it.

my hands are tired of typing. I agree with you. I think i'm done with this thread.

homosexuals want everyone to experience characters that are gay. that the bottomline. I've read there comments, and that seems to be what they want.

Thats not what I mean by that comment but thank you for agreeing with me. Ignorance is bliss right.

[Made Nightwing]

@IsaacShep. Why not accomodate everyone? Homosexuals and Yaoi fangirls are getting accomodated, why can't those who aren't remotely interested just get a toggle that means that stuff won't bust their in-game bubble? The ME world is all about customisation. You can even customise your squadmates (push them down the paragon/renegade path) if you want to.

For instance, on my first playthrough, I be sticking with the upper right of the dialogue wheel to make sure I stay paragon. My personal mental picture of Kaidan is that he's Shepard's bro, and has been his bro for a damn long time. Can't I continue that bromance without having it turn gay on me? Can I not discuss wine, women and song with my buddy without straying into ****** territory? For those of us that REALLY like the character (in a non-sexual way), we don't deserve to be discriminated against.

[shepskisaac]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...
please name, these developers for me. I'm dying to count them all.

Rockstar, Maxis, EA Sims Studio, Black Isle, Obsidian, Bethesda, BioWare, Lionhead, Troika. These have already included homosexual content/relationships or will in the future.

[Rocket_Man77]

IsaacShep wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

you are playing a video game. this isn't real life. The point of a video game is entertainment. I would have more entertainment with homosexuality off. I've worked at fast food restaurant as a cashier, and you get some pretty odd stares, from some pretty odd folks. I would like to keep my entertainment my way.

Again, what if it would make someone's entartainment better to turn off left-handness, blackness, alieness, combat, exploration, mass effectness? On this argument you can toggle every single aspect of the entire game.

LOL, you got me there! I have no counter to that. my only thing is: If you are scared or intemidated by left handed people, then you are Fu**ed up in the head.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@IsaacShep. Why not accomodate everyone? Homosexuals and Yaoi fangirls are getting accomodated, why can't those who aren't remotely interested just get a toggle that means that stuff won't bust their in-game bubble? The ME world is all about customisation. You can even customise your squadmates (push them down the paragon/renegade path) if you want to.

For instance, on my first playthrough, I be sticking with the upper right of the dialogue wheel to make sure I stay paragon. My personal mental picture of Kaidan is that he's Shepard's bro, and has been his bro for a damn long time. Can't I continue that bromance without having it turn gay on me? Can I not discuss wine, women and song with my buddy without straying into ****** territory? For those of us that REALLY like the character (in a non-sexual way), we don't deserve to be discriminated against.

You can't accomodate everyone because not everyone is the same.

[ipgd]

Davie McG wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

The race thing already is toggled, I think my use of the word toggle in my post was perhaps incorrect. What I mean to say is that you select your sexuality at the begining, just like you select your eye colour and skin colour and name and all that stuff.

I'm not insinuating people can choose their sexuality either as I also stated in my first post. Just that at the begining of the game you have the oppertunity to make a bisexual character or a straight one or a homosexual one, just like you decide which ethnicity or gender you wish to play as.

Setting the physical appearance of Shepard is not the same as setting an option to crystalize his or her sexual orientation and shut off any romance dialogue for same sex characters when playing a straight Shepard, nor is being able to choose Shepard's race equivalent to an option to shut off any romance dialogue for Jacob when playing a white Shepard.

Regardless, the functionality of it is not the inherent problem -- it is that its inclusion would be motivated solely by a desire to accommodate people who are prejudiced against homosexuality, which is unacceptable. An option to set Shepard's sexuality is such a functionally inconsequential change from the actual implementation of the same decisions in ME1 and 2 (i.e. you choose your Shepard's orientation by not sleeping with characters (s)he is not interested in) that it almost entirely boils down to a matter of intent, to spare people who are bothered by it the discomfort of even having to see same-sex romance dialogue on the wheel, and sending a message that legitimizes their concerns and implies that prejudice should be accommodated is not something Bioware wants to be doing.

Really, it is not that hard to understand how this is offensive and if you are really concerned with not offending people you should be able to see how this is not in any way a solution. The solution to prejudice is exposure, not concession and accommodation.

I must fail to agree when it comes to exposure being a solution to prejudice, but that's a whole other story.

I think if you were to be offended by the option that I described, I just don't see how you could be, if you want the option to romance both males and females then it would be easy to create a bisexual character. It would accommodate everyone, and to me it's the only one that does.

If you feel differently then that's fine, but that's just my opinion.

Edit: forgot a word, idiotic I know but it happens.

I explained why it offends me.

You can already choose whether your Shepard is straight, gay or bisexual by pursuing or not pursuing LIs of either sex. Implementing an option at character creation would not change this at all; it would simply move the option from the dialogue with the LIs to the character creation screen. Functionally, there is practically no difference whatsoever.

Which means the only reason it would exist would be to cater to people who are bothered by homosexuality. And for Bioware to implicitly say "it's okay that seeing queer people in video games makes you uncomfortable, so we've devoted resources to being conscientious of your opinion and accommodating it". Which is offensive, because I do not think it is an acceptable opinion to be offended by the existence of gay people and I do not think it is an acceptable measure to allow an option to hide away all associated content in order to spare the discomfort of people who do not even have to explore that content to begin with. I do not think it is acceptable for Bioware to actively condone such prejudice by specifically catering to this group.

This is the statement they would be making by implementing such a toggle, and this statement would be offensive. If you still don't get it, just take my word for it that a great many of LGBT people and supporters would essentially agree with me. This is unarguably an offensive suggestion for a certain group of people, whom you may not personally belong to, but I can confirm that they do, in fact, exist. So, no, your argument does not have any grounds to stand on from a position of attempting to avoid offending people when possible, because fact, there are a great many people who would be just as offended by your suggested solution. All this does is move the offense from one group of people to another, and why do they have special privilege in the 'less offense' department?

Modifié par ipgd, 17 août 2011 - 01:38 .

[Rocket_Man77]

IsaacShep wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...
please name, these developers for me. I'm dying to count them all.

Rockstar, Maxis, EA Sims Studio, Black Isle, Obsidian, Bethesda, BioWare, Lionhead, Troika. These have already included homosexual content/relationships or will in the future.

why is rockstar in there? They make fun of Homosexuals. Just play the Ballad of Gay Tony.

[rapscallioness]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

you are playing a video game. this isn't real life. The point of a video game is entertainment. I would have more entertainment with homosexuality off. I've worked at fast food restaurant as a cashier, and you get some pretty odd stares, from some pretty odd folks. I would like to keep my entertainment my way. I'm glad those days are over with.

You know, Rocket man, I gotta say what you're describing sounds more like discomfort w/ being aggressively hit on by ppl you're really not interested in.

I'm a female, and I've had guys leer at me like that...and it's awful. Guys have said things to me that you just don't want to hear. Those are not good situations. s/s has nothing to do with that kinda behavior.

That said, I seriously doubt BW would implement a possible romantic option in sucha lurid way. None of the romantic options are agrressive.

[Made Nightwing]

BTW: For someone to disagree with a person's sexuality has nothing to do with racism, and don't insult those who were and are discriminated against because of their skin colour by claiming your plight is anything like what there's was like. Homosexuals are not underpaid, forbidden from riding in buses, going into 'white's only' bars or even banned from voting.