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[MisterJB]

Made Nightwing wrote...
For instance, on my first playthrough, I be sticking with the upper right of the dialogue wheel to make sure I stay paragon. My personal mental picture of Kaidan is that he's Shepard's bro, and has been his bro for a damn long time. Can't I continue that bromance without having it turn gay on me? Can I not discuss wine, women and song with my buddy without straying into ****** territory? For those of us that REALLY like the character (in a non-sexual way), we don't deserve to be discriminated against.

Fenris was a total bro and also an S/S option for those who wanted him.
Why a toggle? Why not simply make all romances player initiated and be done with it? Is it that hard to avoid certain dialogue options?

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[Rocket_Man77]

Made Nightwing wrote...

BTW: For someone to disagree with a person's sexuality has nothing to do with racism, and don't insult those who were and are discriminated against because of their skin colour by claiming your plight is anything like what there's was like. Homosexuals are not underpaid, forbidden from riding in buses, going into 'white's only' bars or even banned from voting.

that is true. I used to have a black neighbor whose face was beaten in because he was jumped by the KKK. homosexuals haven't been forbidden from ridding in a bus, or from eating at certain restaurants.

[Comsky159]

Firstly I feel I should just say that there is no point in starting an argument like this, because I doubt anyone involved here will ever be open-mined enough to change their opinion. I would advise the OP to do what the official S/S thread did and stamp out those who disagree (which it has done impressively), but I expect if you did so it would be labelled as a hate thread. That’s why these types of threads generally tend to last only for a few minutes.

IsaacShep wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

that would be called racism, they can't do that.

Yes. They shouldn't be allowed to "turn off" asian people because it shouldn't be allowed in real life. Is "turning off" gay people in real life allowed, acceptable?

It's easy to use extreme examples but comparing it to rascism seems a little unfair to me, for the same reason it's irrational  to intertwine homosexuality with bestiality. It's simply offensive and fundamentally wrong.

Also I always thought this proposed toggle thing was meant to concern whether or not a romance pathway has the potential to progress rather than serving to determine the nature of a characters actual orientation (which should always be set in stone for every playthrough). It’s not an attack on who a person is but what they do in-game.
Of course for some it may very well be the former and for them, your comparison may certainly hold some precedent.

[Made Nightwing]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

@IsaacShep. Why not accomodate everyone? Homosexuals and Yaoi fangirls are getting accomodated, why can't those who aren't remotely interested just get a toggle that means that stuff won't bust their in-game bubble? The ME world is all about customisation. You can even customise your squadmates (push them down the paragon/renegade path) if you want to.

For instance, on my first playthrough, I be sticking with the upper right of the dialogue wheel to make sure I stay paragon. My personal mental picture of Kaidan is that he's Shepard's bro, and has been his bro for a damn long time. Can't I continue that bromance without having it turn gay on me? Can I not discuss wine, women and song with my buddy without straying into ****** territory? For those of us that REALLY like the character (in a non-sexual way), we don't deserve to be discriminated against.

You can't accomodate everyone because not everyone is the same.

True, but there are only two sexualities...or three, y'know, whatever floats your boat. I won't abuse someone because of their sexuality (for Catholics, hatred is a pretty big sin) , nor do I force my views on anyone who isn't receptive or interested in them. But if I'm forking out a hundred bucks for the CE of ME3, can't I get just a little accomodation? Some friendship dialogue that I can access without having to turn down my buddy's sexual advances? It's not like I'm asking to have a cameo in the game.

[shepskisaac]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

LOL, you got me there! I have no counter to that. my only thing is: If you are scared or intemidated by left handed people, then you are Fu**ed up in the head.

Guess what, I and plenty of other people think the same of those who are scared or intimidated of gay/bi guys.

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

why is rockstar in there? They make fun of Homosexuals. Just play the Ballad of Gay Tony.

You forgot about Bully, where you can kiss boys

Made Nightwing wrote...

BTW: For someone to disagree with a person's sexuality has nothing to do with racism, and don't insult those who were and are discriminated against because of their skin colour by claiming your plight is anything like what there's was like. Homosexuals are not underpaid, forbidden from riding in buses, going into 'white's only' bars or even banned from voting.

Don't try to make it a contest who had/has worse, because you know homosexuals have gone through **** too. Different ****, still ****. Different thing to be hated for (visible skin color vs. invisible sexual orientation), same place where the hatred comes from - lack of logic, irrationality, feeling of superiority.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[Xilizhra]

True, but there are only two sexualities...or three, y'know, whatever floats your boat. I won't abuse someone because of their sexuality (for Catholics, hatred is a pretty big sin) , nor do I force my views on anyone who isn't receptive or interested in them. But if I'm forking out a hundred bucks for the CE of ME3, can't I get just a little accomodation? Some friendship dialogue that I can access without having to turn down my buddy's sexual advances? It's not like I'm asking to have a cameo in the game.

Assuming this is inspired by DA2, they'll have big heart icons near anything that seems flirty. Or you could, y'know, actually pay attention to the dialogue wheel. And even then, it's not like one misclick equals INSTANT ASSRAPE.

[CuseGirl]

MisterJB wrote...Fenris was a total bro and also an S/S option for those who wanted him.
Why a toggle? Why not simply make all romances playet initiated and be done with it? Is it that hard to avoid certain dialogue options?

You're asking for too much. It's way too hard to actually think about wut responses you choose during the game, just designate one squadmate gay and put the words GAY on his armor so I kno not to have any conversation with him. It's not fair that I have to KNOW there's same-sex code in the game for a handful of characters i have no intention of romancing. I have to be protected from that.......

[Abispa]

@ Made Nightwing -- So you play a Shepard who not only doesn't find Kaidan attractive, but is incapable of being friends with him if he were a s/s LI? Even if this weren't a situation that happens frequently IRL, through DA2 Bioware has shown that EVEN IF you stumble into the "OMG Anders' ninjamance!" and turn him down, the hero was still able to develop as strong a friendship with him as the male hero who never triggered it.

And I have spent many an evening with my gay brother and friends discussing wine, women and song (they even helped match me with my GF) and the managed to make it through the evening without being molested. I will admit to talking about men as well, since its only fair I discuss their interests as they discuss mine.

Is it your belief that its has been impossible for female Shepard to be buddies with the o/s LIs she's turned down? Granted Bioware has given the player the decision to give them the cold shoulder, but it was never a requirement.

[Rocket_Man77]

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

[CuseGirl]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

that last part isn't true......

Modifié par CuseGirl, 17 août 2011 - 01:50 .

[alek2702]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

Many gay people were and still are " literally killed and persecuted".
 

Modifié par alek2702, 17 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[Rocket_Man77]

and so I did. wasn't that game rated T though. I did play that game. Hmmm. interesting.

[Xilizhra]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

Hmmm. I need to find something worthy of this post...
Ah, screw it. It's overused for a reason.

[Rocket_Man77]

alek2702 wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

Many gay people were and still are " literally killed and persecuted".
 

I live in Arkansas. I live in the bible belt. I have never read about such a thing in the "Arkansas Democrat Gazette." your point is weak

[ipgd]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

Oh my god.

Do you live in, like, a cave?

[rapscallioness]

Uh, but @Nightwing and Rocketman.....you do know that there have been gay/lesbian ppl in America at least are forbidden to legally marry. They have been the victims of hate crimes. Killed in gruesome ways. Their faces getting beat in, bullied in school to the extreme. If they want to serve their country and put their life on the line to protect us, but somehow it gets out that they're gay...they get kicked out of the military.

Some is starting to change, but it's been a loooonnng fight. idk how it is in other countries, but in the U.S. is been bad...ironic, eh?

[alek2702]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

alek2702 wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

Many gay people were and still are " literally killed and persecuted".
 

I live in Arkansas. I live in the bible belt. I have never read about such a thing in the "Arkansas Democrat Gazette." your point is weak

The world is a bit bigger than Arkansas, you know...

[leggywillow]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...
that is true. I used to have a black neighbor whose face was beaten in because he was jumped by the KKK. homosexuals haven't been forbidden from ridding in a bus, or from eating at certain restaurants.

Kid, you do know that that happens to homosexuals too, right?

[Made Nightwing]

Xilizhra wrote...

True, but there are only two sexualities...or three, y'know, whatever floats your boat. I won't abuse someone because of their sexuality (for Catholics, hatred is a pretty big sin) , nor do I force my views on anyone who isn't receptive or interested in them. But if I'm forking out a hundred bucks for the CE of ME3, can't I get just a little accomodation? Some friendship dialogue that I can access without having to turn down my buddy's sexual advances? It's not like I'm asking to have a cameo in the game.

Assuming this is inspired by DA2, they'll have big heart icons near anything that seems flirty. Or you could, y'know, actually pay attention to the dialogue wheel. And even then, it's not like one misclick equals INSTANT ASSRAPE.

Never played DA2, don't know how the dialogue system works. But yeah, if they had that available I wouldn't see the need for a toggle. I sometimes absolutely misread what's going on in the conversation options (never Mass Effect's strong point), just wanna take the bro dialogue with him.

[ipgd]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

alek2702 wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

Many gay people were and still are " literally killed and persecuted".
 

I live in Arkansas. I live in the bible belt. I have never read about such a thing in the "Arkansas Democrat Gazette." your point is weak

Here, there's an entire wikipedia article about it:

http://en.wikipedia....nst_LGBT_people

[Xilizhra]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

True, but there are only two sexualities...or three, y'know, whatever floats your boat. I won't abuse someone because of their sexuality (for Catholics, hatred is a pretty big sin) , nor do I force my views on anyone who isn't receptive or interested in them. But if I'm forking out a hundred bucks for the CE of ME3, can't I get just a little accomodation? Some friendship dialogue that I can access without having to turn down my buddy's sexual advances? It's not like I'm asking to have a cameo in the game.

Assuming this is inspired by DA2, they'll have big heart icons near anything that seems flirty. Or you could, y'know, actually pay attention to the dialogue wheel. And even then, it's not like one misclick equals INSTANT ASSRAPE.

Never played DA2, don't know how the dialogue system works. But yeah, if they had that available I wouldn't see the need for a toggle. I sometimes absolutely misread what's going on in the conversation options (never Mass Effect's strong point), just wanna take the bro dialogue with him.

No male LI in ME2 ever made advances on you anyway. Take a deep breath; the Pink Menace won't be molesting you anytime soon.

[Rocket_Man77]

alek2702 wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

alek2702 wrote...

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

who said I was intimidated by anyone? also, you really shouldn't bring race and sexual orientation into the same category. Black people were literally killed and persecuted, just because of there skin color. homosexual haven't gone through anything like that.

Many gay people were and still are " literally killed and persecuted".
 

I live in Arkansas. I live in the bible belt. I have never read about such a thing in the "Arkansas Democrat Gazette." your point is weak

The world is a bit bigger than Arkansas, you know...

true. but there are millions and millions of black people who were persecuted. There are not even that close, to the number of homosexuals. and still homosexuals are not persecuted. they aren't here in Little Rock. I see managers that are homosexuals. they are not aggresively persecuted. You sure didn't see black people as managers in the 60's.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

BTW: For someone to disagree with a person's sexuality has nothing to do with racism, and don't insult those who were and are discriminated against because of their skin colour by claiming your plight is anything like what there's was like. Homosexuals are not underpaid, forbidden from riding in buses, going into 'white's only' bars or even banned from voting.

that is true. I used to have a black neighbor whose face was beaten in because he was jumped by the KKK. homosexuals haven't been forbidden from ridding in a bus, or from eating at certain restaurants.

Tell that to the folks who can get executed in countries such as Pakistan, if the word of their sexuality got out. The entire world is not visible from your doorstep, you know?

[shepskisaac]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

I live in Arkansas. I live in the bible belt. I have never read about such a thing in the "Arkansas Democrat Gazette." your point is weak

Dude. If you're saying gay people were/are not prosecuted and killed, then you simply don't know history nor what is still happening in some parts of the world. If you want to discuss subjects like this, learn something about it first.

[jlb524]

Rocket_Man77 wrote...

true. but there are millions and millions of black people who were persecuted. There are not even that close, to the number of homosexuals. and still homosexuals are not persecuted. they aren't here in Little Rock. I see managers that are homosexuals. they are not aggresively persecuted. You sure didn't see black people as managers in the 60's.

You're really going to base this off of numbers?

Plus, there was a time when homosexuals were fired from their jobs b/c of their sexuality.