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[Agamo45]

 Renegade is about being ruthless right? Well I've never understood what is 'ruthless' about supporting and promoting your own race. To be a paragon you basically have to be a self-hating 'liberal'(for lack of a better word) and an apologist. You have to kiss every alien's ass and apologize for humanity's success. The attitude is borderline treasonous. I would not be surprised if the paragon ending to ME3 involves sacrificing Earth to save the rest of the galaxy.

[KotorEffect3]

Name one paragon action that is treasonous or anti-human

[Savber100]

It's pretty much the same as nationalism where you seek for your group's success at the cost of others.

As a paragon, you work to help ALL races in the long run while still staying loyal to humanity. You don't seek to get rid of others for your species' ascension; instead you bring everyone with you.

Modifié par Savber100, 16 août 2011 - 11:05 .

[Sundance31us]

Go paragrade and don't look back.

[LGTX]

Yeah, we all have our opinions on what's paragon and what's not. Why should yours be canonized? Because it's yours?

[Ultai]

Paragon and Renegade tend to be inconsistent if you stick to either extreme.

[Agamo45]

LGTX wrote...

Yeah, we all have our opinions on what's paragon and what's not. Why should yours be canonized? Because it's yours?

Where did I say anything about my opinion being canonized? Learn to read.

[Sharn01]

Savber100 wrote...

It's pretty much the same as nationalism where you seek for your group's success at the cost of others.

As a paragon, you work to help ALL races in the long run while still staying loyal to humanity. You don't seek to get rid of others for your species' ascension; instead you bring everyone with you.

I was going to post something similer but your statement works for me as well.

[LGTX]

You basically said that the game contradicted its own definition of a term. It's subtle, but it's there. Please don't insult me.

[Aaleel]

I've always gone on the assumption that for the major decisions.

Paragon = Building an intergalactic alliance.
Renegade = Humans doing it alone.

The non major decisions run the gamete.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Ultai wrote...

Paragon and Renegade tend to be inconsistent if you stick to either extreme.

The man speaks truth.

Also, Bioware's sorting of "paragon" and "renegade" seem to shift a good bit, particularly in ME2.  Hopefully they'll be more consistent in ME3.

[sephiroth199127]

Someone on this website had a nice explanation for the Morality. Paragons are more ego-tistic and are un-willing to compromise if it means its goes against ther morals, Renegades seem to be more willing to do what is necessary, if these means pro-human than that's not necessary bad. However i agree with Ultai they kinda inconsistent in the end.

[KotorEffect3]

I don't see how the OP could equate paragon decisions with treason. As a paragon your overall attitude is more diplomatic and you are trying to make it easier for your species by building a realtionship of trust with the other races, in other words you are trying to make allies last I checked having other races as our allies instead of enemies is better for us in the long run.

[Agamo45]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Name one paragon action that is treasonous or anti-human

No acts are outright anti-human, but paragon Shep's attitude in conversations is rather weak and apologist. That conversation with the asari on the Citadel in ME2 for example.

[Someone With Mass]

Ultai wrote...

Paragon and Renegade tend to be inconsistent if you stick to either extreme.

Yep.

Paragon calls Cerberus terrorists one moment and then kisses their asses so hard it gives them nerve damage the other moment.

[Seboist]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Name one paragon action that is treasonous or anti-human

Sacrificing human lives to save the council to satisfy his/her own ego and deluded idealism.

[KotorEffect3]

Agamo45 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Name one paragon action that is treasonous or anti-human

No acts are outright anti-human, but paragon Shep's attitude in conversations is rather weak and apologist. That conversation with the asari on the Citadel in ME2 for example.

The game still expects us to use our heads, just because your overall attitude is paragon doesn't mean you automaticaly pick the most paragon choice everytime the dialog tree comes up, same thing with renegade.  For example when I am talking with Mordin during his loyalty mission I usualy pick the neutral dialog options because the paragon ones sound clueless to me.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 16 août 2011 - 11:17 .

[Agamo45]

Luc0s wrote...

Because pro-human is selfish and renegade is selfish.

It's not complicated.

What's selfish about wanting to keep humanity strong and independant?

[IronSabbath88]

Honestly, Mass Effect is all about how YOU want Shepard to be. I have a Male Shep whose anti-alien and very pro-human and he's a complete dick and even got Tali, Mordin and Thane killed in his suicide quest, shot Wrex down like a dog and just in general is petty towards other races.

Then I have an equally Renegade FemShep who believes working with other races will further advance humanity and respects them. Honestly, it's all in how you wish to portray your particular Shepard, and there's no wrong way to play.

[Seboist]

Aaleel wrote...

I've always gone on the assumption that for the major decisions.

Paragon = Building an intergalactic alliance.
Renegade = Humans doing it alone.

The non major decisions run the gamete.

Major Renegade decisions like focusing on sovereign, killing the rachni queen*, destroying the heretic geth,etc benefit all of Galactic civilization. They aren't some one note scheme to ensure human dominance.

* If the writers had more sense or took the morality and outcomes more seriously killing the Rachni Queen would have earned Renegade Shepard a lot of respect from the Krogans for honoring the memory of their ancestors.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

Sacrificing human lives to save the council to satisfy his/her own ego and deluded idealism.

Renegade butthurt alert!

[MacCready]

Put your question in real life terms, for example, change pro-human to pro-white. Are you a paragon? No, you are a dick!

[KotorEffect3]

Seboist wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Name one paragon action that is treasonous or anti-human

Sacrificing human lives to save the council to satisfy his/her own ego and deluded idealism.

As opposed to letting the council die in which you end up pissing off every other species in the process in what is perceived as a grab for power even if that is not the reason why your Shepard did it that is how it is perceived.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 16 août 2011 - 11:24 .

[Agamo45]

MacCready wrote...

Put your question in real life terms, for example, change pro-human to pro-white. Are you a paragon? No, you are a dick!

How about pro-American, or pro-Western in general? I think that's more accurate. Am I still a dick?