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[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh, there's very little indicator (if any) that humanity is all that much more stronger militarily for sacrificing the council or that keeping the collector base doesn't ... you know blow up in Shepard's face.

I have yet to see any indicator that renegade is anything more than the paragon path with joke dialogue,less content and not much else.

Note how I said "if you want to." There's no indicator that you'll succeed. However... if all Renegades care about is results, should results not be all you get?

Playing as a Shepard who shoots herself repeatedly in the foot and ends up looking like a fool is not exactly the kind of results I'm aiming for.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh, there's very little indicator (if any) that humanity is all that much more stronger militarily for sacrificing the council or that keeping the collector base doesn't ... you know blow up in Shepard's face.

I have yet to see any indicator that renegade is anything more than the paragon path with joke dialogue,less content and not much else.

Note how I said "if you want to." There's no indicator that you'll succeed. However... if all Renegades care about is results, should results not be all you get?

Playing as a Shepard who shoots herself repeatedly in the foot and ends up looking like a fool is not exactly the kind of results I'm aiming for.

Then... don't. I don't.

[Golden Owl]

Luc0s wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Luc0s wrote...


No problem. You might wanna give Renegade Shepard a try yourself once. It's really fun to see the other side of the coin by yourself.

I'm a Paragon player at heart, but I really enjoyed playing my Renegade Shepard too.

I have tried twice now....just can't make it through the games.......am too soft.......LOL...

You can play a renegade playrhtough and still be a nice guy if you pick the paragon options for mundane conversations. Just make sure that the major choices are Renegade. That's what I did anyway. As my rene-shep, I was nice and friendly to my crew and helpless people, but a jerk and ruthless bastard towards everyone else. 

That is true....I fried myself when he threatened Emily Wong....hated him from that point on...and being an *ss to Gianna finished it for me...Second attempt was with a femShep....she didn't have my custom manSheps canon face so it wasn't so difficult, but I lost interest before getting her all the way through...Will give your suggestion a go...thanks Luc0s....

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh, there's very little indicator (if any) that humanity is all that much more stronger militarily for sacrificing the council or that keeping the collector base doesn't ... you know blow up in Shepard's face.

I have yet to see any indicator that renegade is anything more than the paragon path with joke dialogue,less content and not much else.

Note how I said "if you want to." There's no indicator that you'll succeed. However... if all Renegades care about is results, should results not be all you get?

Playing as a Shepard who shoots herself repeatedly in the foot and ends up looking like a fool is not exactly the kind of results I'm aiming for.

Then... don't. I don't.

Paragon is just too boring to play as. I did a Paragon playthrough of ME1/2 and it felt like I was playing with cheat codes, just no sense of accomplishment or that I made any hard decisions.

Half-assed, pointless and troll Renegon is where it's at for me.

[Xilizhra]

Paragon is just too boring to play as. I did a Paragon playthrough of ME1/2 and it felt like I was playing with cheat codes, just no sense of accomplishment or that I made any hard decisions.

Half-assed, pointless and troll Renegon is where it's at for me.

Good, you're now having fun.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Paragon is just too boring to play as. I did a Paragon playthrough of ME1/2 and it felt like I was playing with cheat codes, just no sense of accomplishment or that I made any hard decisions.

Half-assed, pointless and troll Renegon is where it's at for me.

Good, you're now having fun.

Morality system still sucks.

[Symji]

Basically because the Pro-Anyone i.e. "I'm better than you" or "I'm right and you're wrong" viewpoint is the reason for the vast majority of every conflict in the history of humanity. In short, ideology is mankind's deadliest invention.

Modifié par Symji, 17 août 2011 - 01:39 .

[RPGamer13]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Sacrificing human lives to save the council to satisfy his/her own ego and deluded idealism.

As opposed to letting the council die in which you end up pissing off every other species in the process in what is perceived as a grab for power even if that is not the reason why your Shepard did it that is how it is perceived.

Also, the difference is:

Those human lives were risking their lives and they knew it.  Plus, being military, it was their obligation to follow orders.  

The council dying on the other hand, they had no say in it.

[Golden Owl]

Seboist wrote...

Sacrificing human lives to save the council to satisfy his/her own ego and deluded idealism.

Not about that Seboist....saving them was a political move, in my eyes anyway.

[InvincibleHero]

Simple. The writer decided to make it that way. They think promoting interspecies harmony and cooperation is paragon. I'd say pro-human should be neutral because that is not inherently bad while professing hate and actual discrimination against all aliens would be renegade which they have slanted towards being evil despite claiming otherwise.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Barquiel wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Luc0s wrote...


No problem. You might wanna give Renegade Shepard a try yourself once. It's really fun to see the other side of the coin by yourself.

I'm a Paragon player at heart, but I really enjoyed playing my Renegade Shepard too.

I have tried twice now....just can't make it through the games.......am too soft.......LOL...

I can't bring myself to be a renegade Shepard either...I usually give up on Noveria (rachni) or Feros (Shiala)

There is certain renegade actions I simply can't do,like letting the salarian die in Thanes RM,but I can easily punch the other one i the face.

[Xilizhra]

Renegades don't meta-game.

Neither do Paragons. Glory for everyone!

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Renegades don't meta-game.

Neither do Paragons. Glory for everyone!

Yes they do. You just used a Paragon argument to justify your choices.

Actually, that was me mocking the excessively obnoxious Renegade partisans. I can give you in-game decisions for every Paragon thing I've done if you prefer.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, that was me mocking the excessively obnoxious Renegade partisans. I can give you in-game decisions for every Paragon thing I've done if you prefer.

You could, and I could then point out how almost all of them are based on flawed reasoning and misplaced priorities.

It will be amusing if we ever finally see a Paragon choice backfire and then watch and see how many Paragons stand by their decision.

So, flawed reasoning and misplaced priorities consistently lead to total success?

[marshalleck]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, that was me mocking the excessively obnoxious Renegade partisans. I can give you in-game decisions for every Paragon thing I've done if you prefer.

You could, and I could then point out how almost all of them are based on flawed reasoning and misplaced priorities.

It will be amusing if we ever finally see a Paragon choice backfire and then watch and see how many Paragons stand by their decision.

So, flawed reasoning and misplaced priorities consistently lead to total success?

In Bioware games, yes.

[Saaziel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Uh huh. And if Sovereign opens the relay and the Reapers pour through this "political move" will benefit you how exactly?

You're planning for an endgame but if you don't stop Sovereign THERE WILL NOT BE AN END GAME!

{smilie}

Vigil says something to the fact that part of the Reaper's plan include the destruction of centralized governments; then divide and conquer.

It is unknown to Shepard whether he'll succeed or not (Unless you're Meta gaming) in defeating Nazara , saving the council hedges your bet against the Reaper in the long run.

Modifié par Saaziel, 17 août 2011 - 02:24 .

[Whatever42]

Trusting the other races is a risk. They could decide to look after themselves first and leave humanity swinging in the breeze. Paragon would weaken humanity in the hopes that the galactic community would reciprocate. However, the council has repeatedly shown that they put their own interests first. Renegade seeks to save humanity's strength and even build upon it, even if that means weakening the other races. They would do the same.

[marshalleck]

Saaziel wrote...

Vigil says something to the fact that part of the Reaper's plan include the destruction of centralized governments; then divide and conquer.

It is unknown to Shepard whether he'll succeed or not (Unless you Meta gaming) in defeating Nazara , saving the council hedges your bet against the Reaper in the long run.

Apparently you missed the meaning of Saphra's post. If Shepard doesn't know whether attacking Sovereign directly will succeed, why would he divert forces from the effort by entangling them with the geth and Destiny Ascension, thus multiplying the uncertainty as result of having less firepower to bear on Sovereign?

Stopping Sovereign trumps anything else. The survival of the Council, the potential for human casualties, etc. etc. Because none of those things will matter in the slightest if Sovereign manages to open the relay. Which is why my Shepards always, without variation, choose "focus on Sovereign" option.

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 août 2011 - 02:28 .