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[Wynne]

su66otnik wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I get annoyed when pessimists say "but DA2" when they are being pessamistic about ME 3. DA has nothing to do with ME.

Except it's developed by BioWare and published by EA, exactly like the Mass Effects. I'm sorry, but you can't deny they're linked in any way.

Actually, they were developed by a different Bioware team. Whole different set of writers/artists/etc.=different product. So the "but DA2" pessimists are quite off-base there. DA2 has no significant bearing on ME3.

su66otnik wrote...
Being pessimistic will most likely make you more likely to be positively suprised by the final product. If you expect it to be perfect, it'll be much more easy to find flaws in it, whereas a pessimist might expect a dull affair but end up being swayed by all the good things included.

I agree with this. Optimists can't be pleasantly surprised. Doom and gloom is depressing if it gets excessive, but a moderate amount of pessimism isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[GodWood]

Xilizhra wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Yes.

I'll more then likely get quite a bit of enjoyment out of it but it's definitely no longer the franchise I fell in love with.

And why is that?

Presentation.

ME1 went out of it's way to try and seem 'plausible'.
ME2 went more or less "**** it. Rule of Cool".

Plus a lot of the original writers have left.

[salojeff]

They're putting emphasis on the combat because they don't want to spoil the story. The combat doesn't look that spectacular yet because the game is still in development.

[Ahriman]

I haven't change my mind since first info: it will be a good game, but not one which I want.

[jojon2se]

For my part, I'd probably be the happest if they would just keep silent and not show anything at all, given how long it is until release -- I'm too weak of will to resist spoilers.

[AdmiralCheez]

sympathy4saren wrote...

I'm a huge Mass Effect fan, but it seems like they just turned it into a pure shooter with dialogue.

The Mass Effect series has pretty much always been 90% shooting and dialogue.  And really, dude, what kind of combat were you expecting?  Turn-based block-moving?

Listen.  Combat is easy to market.  Yeah, there is SO much more to the game, but what happens when we talk about the story?  SPOILERS ZOMG RUINED FOREVER.  Additionally, the combat was somewhat subpar in the previous installments, and now that they've fixed it they want to show it off.

The introduction with the omnitool is cheesy. The ending with Shepard waiving the omniblade is cheesy.

Space magic, blue alien virgins, and saving the galaxy is also cheesy.  But you're not complaining about that, are you?  Alternatively, you COULD think of the omni-blade as a new awesome toy.  Kind of like vanguard-muthaf*ckin'-charge.

The new Atlas or whatever gives me nightmarish chills of a game I despise....Halo. So does the omniblade.

You know what the omni-blade and Atlas mech remind me of?  Starcraft.  And I looooove me some Starcraft.  Y u no Halo?

The premise of this game revolves around saving Earth from an alien invasion.

Actually, it revolves around saving the galaxy.  Earth was the first to get hit.

It's clear rpg elements that are allegedly in the game are playing second fiddle by far to the shooting...almost like its thrown in just to appease.

But they have guns!  GUNS!  One assumes that, when people have guns, they are going to shoot them!  And now, when you are told that you can do more cool things with your guns, you complain that you don't like guns anymore.  What.

Default FemShep got a plastic redo.

It's a conspiracy.  EA is in cahoots with the beer companies, so they made FemShep look like the St. Pauli Girl to subliminally advertise.

Well, actually, people just voted and liked the blonde best.  Maybe the beer companies falsified the polls?

I'm pretty sure the series has changed forever...and not for the good. Am I the only one who feels this way? Let's have a respectful discussion.

Frankly, if I'm going to spent a large chunk of the game in combat, I want that combat to be good.  The combat looks very good.  So yay, combat.  I admit I'm slightly concerned for the non-combat aspects, but I find the BW employee tweets very reassuring.  And like so many have said, how do you market that sh*t without giving the story away?

[ADLegend21]

sympathy4saren wrote...

I'm a huge Mass Effect fan, but it seems like they just turned it into a pure shooter with dialogue. The introduction with the omnitool is cheesy. The ending with Shepard waiving the omniblade is cheesy. The new Atlas or whatever gives me nightmarish chills of a game I despise....Halo. So does the omniblade. The premise of this game revolves around saving Earth from an alien invasion. It's clear rpg elements that are allegedly in the game are playing second fiddle by far to the shooting...almost like its thrown in just to appease. Default FemShep got a plastic redo.

I'm pretty sure the series has changed forever...and not for the good. Am I the only one who feels this way? Let's have a respectful discussion.

hmm let's see...what was Mass Effect 1? you went to 3-5 planets andshot up everyone until you found your objective which is, holy crap a sentient starship you've gotta kill and the guy who helped it. MassEffect 2 Starships buddies sneak attack you, you get better and then shoot up the people messing with human colonies. AMss effectis a Shooter RPG. so um....you shoot stuff. The OMnitool is the single most versatile thing in the Me universe. You can overload shields, hack doors,salvage stuff for money, melt things to omnigel in ME1, it's a computer, weapon, first aid kit, and now it has a sword. It's the swiss army knife of ME get over it. Bioware's not revealing spoilers,but the Reapers are targetting humanity so naturally earth gets attackedfirst, but you neglect to mention the Demo that takes place on the Salarian homeworld. RPg Elements won't get ocmpletely revealed 6 months from the game release, you've seen a portion of it with the portion of the game Bioware's released in the demo's. Default femshep got several different touch ups, if your's didn't win the vote, too bad that's democracy for you, deal with it. There's still a CC where you can make your own Shepard as there always has been.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I'm with GodWood on this one, but would like to add the results of our choices being negligible so far as an additional complaint.

[Karimloo]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Yes. I think ME3 will be a huge fail and Bioware will become EA's laughing stock until they decide to pull the plug on them.

I might be telling myself that so when I do play ME3, I might be completely mind blown by the game.

No.

[Aradace]

To clarify, Im not worried that ME3 is going to suck. In that regard, as a whole Im pretty sure I'll be happy with it because Ive thuroughly enjoyed the first two games. It's just the other concerns Ive mentioned that I take issue with. And even if that's how they play out, it wont kill the game for me entirely. It'll simply be the difference between me rating the game a 9-10 out of 10, or a 7-8 out of 10.

[The Interloper]

Not really. As people have said, so what if the ads are focused on combat? We've seen under the hood and the rpg mechanics won't be a simplified as in ME2, and we have no reason to believe role playing will be noticably worse (or better) then the first two games. Besides, showing of rping means showing of spoilers.

[Genshie]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

1) How does the Atlas remind of you of Halo? 

Not directed at Jonathan Shepard but at the people who keep bringing this up. For Christ sake STOP with the comparisions of Starcraft, Halo, and Gears of War. You people SHOULD KNOW that there are actually series that came out way before those three that had their concepts implemented before they were even thought/dreamt of. Oh I don't know maybe... STAR TREK, STAR WARS, and WARHAMMER 40K universe. It seems like due to people's ignorance they use these three game titles, Starcraft, Halo, and Gears, as the end all and be all staples for Sci-fiction marketing when there are series that came up with their ideas DECADES before them. If anything Mass Effect takes alot more nods from Star Trek than any other series out there.

[Savber100]

GodWood wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Yes.

I'll more then likely get quite a bit of enjoyment out of it but it's definitely no longer the franchise I fell in love with.

And why is that?

Presentation.

ME1 went out of it's way to try and seem 'plausible'.
ME2 went more or less "**** it. Rule of Cool".

Plus a lot of the original writers have left.

Wait... besides Drew (who helped Walters in the transition) and that other dude (The Codex Guy), I thought the original team was pretty much intact. 

[csfteeeer]

Frankly, the Latest Trailer, at Gamescom, was just.... damn, i don't know, it just turned me off(not in THAT way....), it just looked.....*sigh* i don't know, iffy i think, the animations where.....ugh, and the trailer just seemed just put together without thought, it seemed....Rushed (oh my god..... are they Rushing everything now?!?!), and the music at the end of the trailer was NOT helpful.

Overall very, very, very bad trailer(IMO).

this doesn't mean i'm not interested in the game though, it's still one of my most anticipated games of 2012, but if they keep on with these trailers, i'm going to loose interest, and i'm sure a lot of people will (i have seen a lot of people saying the trailer was S**t.)

Modifié par csfteeeer, 17 août 2011 - 04:53 .

[Aradace]

Genshie wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

1) How does the Atlas remind of you of Halo? 

Not directed at Jonathan Shepard but at the people who keep bringing this up. For Christ sake STOP with the comparisions of Starcraft, Halo, and Gears of War. You people SHOULD KNOW that there are actually series that came out way before those three that had their concepts implemented before they were even thought/dreamt of. Oh I don't know maybe... STAR TREK, STAR WARS, and WARHAMMER 40K universe. It seems like due to people's ignorance they use these three game titles, Starcraft, Halo, and Gears, as the end all and be all staples for Sci-fiction marketing when there are series that came up with their ideas DECADES before them. If anything Mass Effect takes alot more nods from Star Trek than any other series out there.

Sure, those may have been the pioneers for the aspects youve said.  But it's games like Gears of War that "pefected" those aspects.  Gears of War is one of, if not THE, standard for cover based combat in modern shooters.  (Remember I said at least ONE of lol).  The reason people make the associations to such games is because it is these games that helped to perfect their respective systems.  When something becomes archaic, it becomes a footnote usually.  Which is why it's the more recent games that get the recognition.

Modifié par Aradace, 17 août 2011 - 04:53 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

Nope, well.. only in regards to the romances. But im sure i'll love this one just as much as the other.

[Genshie]

Aradace wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

1) How does the Atlas remind of you of Halo? 

Not directed at Jonathan Shepard but at the people who keep bringing this up. For Christ sake STOP with the comparisions of Starcraft, Halo, and Gears of War. You people SHOULD KNOW that there are actually series that came out way before those three that had their concepts implemented before they were even thought/dreamt of. Oh I don't know maybe... STAR TREK, STAR WARS, and WARHAMMER 40K universe. It seems like due to people's ignorance they use these three game titles, Starcraft, Halo, and Gears, as the end all and be all staples for Sci-fiction marketing when there are series that came up with their ideas DECADES before them. If anything Mass Effect takes alot more nods from Star Trek than any other series out there.

Sure, those may have been the pioneers for the aspects youve said.  But it's games like Gears of War that "pefected" those aspects.  Gears of War is one of, if not THE, standard for cover based combat in modern shooters.  (Remember I said at least ONE of lol).  The reason people make the associations to such games is because it is these games that helped to perfect their respective systems.  When something becomes archaic, it becomes a footnote usually.  Which is why it's the more recent games that get the recognition.

You forget though that Gears of War (even Halo as well) is aimed at almost entirely different audience though. It focuses more on the multiplayer aspect than anything else. OMG I mentioned a taboo here. (Yes, I know they haven't said no to it completely) Mass Effect has always been focused on the singleplayer player experience and hopefully will remain that way. 
Yes there is story in Halo(a real straight forward one) and if you people say that Gears has a story then thats funny. (a real lackluster one at best) You say that these titles perfected their respectives systems when that is the only thing they solely focus on more so than anything else while MASS EFFECT has to not only focus on the combat shooting but also the story and rpg aspects. Its kind of hard to compare ME to these other titles when they didn't really have do as much work as this title has to.

[Aradace]

@Genshie - *smiles* really? Its hard to compare them? You better take a look at the new cover system one more time and then take a good long look at Gear's.

As far as Gear's not having a story, I find it funny that you think it's funny.  While it's not the greatest story ever, I'll admit, it's still a "decent" one if you actually pay attention to it.

Modifié par Aradace, 17 août 2011 - 05:13 .

[Foryou]

You can't really advertise RPG stuff. You get to set your stats for this power doesn't really have the same ring as you can make a vortex

[Genshie]

Aradace wrote...

@Genshie - *smiles* really? Its hard to compare them? You better take a look at the new cover system one more time and then take a good long look at Gear's.

As far as Gear's not having a story, I find it funny that you think it's funny.  While it's not the greatest story ever, I'll admit, it's still a "decent" one if you actually pay attention to it.

I am not just talking about cover system and you did exactly what most people are doing only comparing one aspect when Mass Effect has to cover more than Gears has ever had to cover. .

[Ahriman]

Foryou wrote...

You can't really advertise RPG stuff.

You can, when there is enough of it. But apparently there is no AAA pure rpg projects, so you haven't seen such advertisment.

[Aradace]

Genshie wrote...

Aradace wrote...

@Genshie - *smiles* really? Its hard to compare them? You better take a look at the new cover system one more time and then take a good long look at Gear's.

As far as Gear's not having a story, I find it funny that you think it's funny.  While it's not the greatest story ever, I'll admit, it's still a "decent" one if you actually pay attention to it.

I am not just talking about cover system and you did exactly what most people are doing only comparing one aspect when Mass Effect has to cover more than Gears has ever had to cover. .

Actually, if you read my posts where I actually make those comparisons, (and I mean actually READ them and not skim) youll see that Im only comparing that single aspect to Gears and not comparing the ENTIRE GAME to Gears.  Those are conclusions you jumped to on your own Im afraid.  Someone comparing a Mech to Halo or some other game ISNT comparing the entirety of ME to Halo.  Again, conclusions you jumped to of your own accord.

[Deylar]

Foryou wrote...

You can't really advertise RPG stuff. You get to set your stats for this power doesn't really have the same ring as you can make a vortex

Skyrim seemed to do well advertising RPG stuff alongside combat.

I don't know my feelings of ME3. Being disappointed in DA2, I fear for ME3.

[Aradace]

Deylar wrote...

Foryou wrote...

You can't really advertise RPG stuff. You get to set your stats for this power doesn't really have the same ring as you can make a vortex

Skyrim seemed to do well advertising RPG stuff alongside combat.

I don't know my feelings of ME3. Being disappointed in DA2, I fear for ME3.

You realize it's two different teams that write ME and DA right?