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didymos1120 wrote...
Illiandri wrote...
Obviously finding 23rd century equipment in a CCCP satelite is far more realistic.
Or being able to ignore/better tolerate hostile environments just by putting one person in some hideous Devlon armor. Or being able to purchase a "Geth Armory" resale license.....REALISM!
Modifié par Illiandri, 20 août 2011 - 07:01 .
didymos1120 wrote...
Illiandri wrote...
Obviously finding 23rd century equipment in a CCCP satelite is far more realistic.
Or being able to ignore/better tolerate hostile environments just by putting one person in some hideous Devlon armor. Or being able to purchase a "Geth Armory" resale license.....REALISM!
Modifié par Fixers0, 20 août 2011 - 07:05 .
tonnactus wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Guess why the weapons in Mass Effect have targeting computers.
And for everyone who read the books: To hit a target while moving is nearly impossible with an assault rifle, even with this computers....
Il Divo wrote...
Please, don't flatter yourself. There is nothing particularly intelligent about Mass Effect 1 that a normal person couldn't understand. This isn't Aristotelian philosophy we're talking about here. You're not "special" because you were able to follow the storyline.
Fixers0 wrote...
As i recall, i'm not flattering anyone here.
With Mass Effect 1, despite that somethigns were rushed, a handfull technical problems and some poor excutions here and there it ended up being a great experiance.
Mass Effect 2, while being pretty enjoyable game and some having some great characters setups, was just to dumbed down on on all kinds of levels and insulting my knowledge of the previous game and the general lore.
Modifié par Il Divo, 20 août 2011 - 07:31 .
Fixers0 wrote...
DId i ever said the first game was all realistic?
But since we are raging about lore in the Mass effect universe let's not forget these ones to:
1. What the hell are shops all over the galaxy, including the isolated Krogan homeworld, doing with N7 parts that appearantly only one person uses?
2. How do probes magically get resources from a planet up to a ship?
3. How come that medi-gel is needed to be upgraded before it can heal people?
Shall i continue?
Modifié par Il Divo, 20 août 2011 - 07:40 .
Il Divo wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
As i recall, i'm not flattering anyone here.
With Mass Effect 1, despite that somethigns were rushed, a handfull technical problems and some poor excutions here and there it ended up being a great experiance.
Mass Effect 2, while being pretty enjoyable game and some having some great characters setups, was just to dumbed down on on all kinds of levels and insulting my knowledge of the previous game and the general lore.
That's good, but "great experience" and "intelligent" are not synonymous. There are a million games, movies, and novels that can be considered great experiences and they are all enjoyed by normal people. You are a poster on an internet forum for Mass Effect, a game we have all beaten. And the scary part is, over two million people on this planet have done the same.
So where are all these "normal" people who apparently couldn't read the codex or follow the main plotline that you are referring to?
Fixers0 wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
Illiandri wrote...
Obviously finding 23rd century equipment in a CCCP satelite is far more realistic.
Or being able to ignore/better tolerate hostile environments just by putting one person in some hideous Devlon armor. Or being able to purchase a "Geth Armory" resale license.....REALISM!
DId i ever said the first game was all realistic?
But since we are raging about lore in the Mass effect universe let's not forget these ones to:
What the hell are shops all over the galaxy, including the isolated Krogan homeworld, doing with N7 parts that appearantly only one person uses?
How do probes magically get resources from a planet up to a ship?
How come that medi-gel is needed to be upgraded before it can heal people?
Shall i continue?
Modifié par didymos1120, 20 août 2011 - 07:58 .
didymos1120 wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
Illiandri wrote...
Obviously finding 23rd century equipment in a CCCP satelite is far more realistic.
Or being able to ignore/better tolerate hostile environments just by putting one person in some hideous Devlon armor. Or being able to purchase a "Geth Armory" resale license.....REALISM!
DId i ever said the first game was all realistic?
But since we are raging about lore in the Mass effect universe let's not forget these ones to:
What the hell are shops all over the galaxy, including the isolated Krogan homeworld, doing with N7 parts that appearantly only one person uses?
How do probes magically get resources from a planet up to a ship?
How come that medi-gel is needed to be upgraded before it can heal people?
Shall i continue?
If you like. But you were b!tching about ME2's woeful lack of lore-compliance, so ME1's lack of same is rather relevant. So in the meantime, here are some more:
How is it when I kill enemies in ME1, items magically teleport into my inventory? Sometimes even while I'm still inside the Mako, hundreds of yards away!
How come I get guns and armor from enemies that they were neither carrying nor wearing?
Why do medical stations have so damn many suits of Phoenix armor shoved inside them?
And what the @#$% was one doing in the Thorian's lair of all places?
What possible connection does a game of Simon/Circular Frogger have to opening locks and surveying minerals? Why can you skip the former just by smearing magic space goo on stuff?
How is it that Frictionless Materials X allow me to eternally violate thermodynamics?
What the hell does Immunity actually do? I mean, it makes you capable of taking direct rocket strikes to the face, and they didn't even give us the courtesy of a handwave!
Why does geth drone fire rip right through Jenkins' shields, but Shep and Kaidan's work just fine?
How do Marksman and Overkill, learned skills possessed by the character not the gear, magically give people the ability to increase a weapons rate of fire and reduce heat production at will?
OK, I'm starting to get bored now, so that'll do.
Il Divo wrote...
Please don't.
1. It's a gameplay mechanic.
2. It's a gameplay mechanic.
3. It's a gameplay mechanic.
This is what we call "gameplay-lore segregation". It's what happens when game mechanics and the lore of the universe occupy separate spheres. It's the same basic theory behind why we never have to watch Shepard put on his armor, watch him modify his weapons, or eat food.
Il Divo wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
DId i ever said the first game was all realistic?
But since we are raging about lore in the Mass effect universe let's not forget these ones to:
1. What the hell are shops all over the galaxy, including the isolated Krogan homeworld, doing with N7 parts that appearantly only one person uses?
2. How do probes magically get resources from a planet up to a ship?
3. How come that medi-gel is needed to be upgraded before it can heal people?
Shall i continue?
Please don't.
1. It's a gameplay mechanic.
2. It's a gameplay mechanic.
3. It's a gameplay mechanic.
This is what we call "gameplay-lore segregation". It's what happens when game mechanics and the lore of the universe occupy separate spheres. It's the same basic theory behind why we never have to watch Shepard put on his armor, watch him modify his weapons, or eat food.
DarthSlim108 wrote...
The only thing I'm disappointed by is that pretty much all we've seen is the same "escort the female krogan" mission over and over again. I'm certainly not pessimistic though. We haven't seen much yet, but what we have seen looks awesome.
Fixers0 wrote...
Most People appearantly either can't or don't read the codex because i saw nobody addressing the point that incinerate wasn't able to bypass shields even though they should.
As a side note by dumbing down, i also mean dumbing down,
1. like the total removal of squad armor, economy (expect for planet scanning which for some reason was complained over even by the most loyal fanboys),
2.severe reducing of freedom,
3. the over-simlifications of lore,
4. skills , gameplay and most importantly
5. they entire progression of game.
Fixers0 wrote...
And how is that an excuse? it goes beyond that, if a writer want's me to take for granted that the isolated Krogan homeworld has armor parts for a rare human armor, only used by N7 agent, even though it's a Krogan world with almost no human tourism, (exept herpy-derpy-Shepard), then i think that the writers either didn't care at all about accuracy, or that they think we are to stupid to notice these holes.
Same with medi-gel, it's neatly explained in the codex as a product that heals people, yet i can't to do so.
Shepard never having to eat or to put on his armor isn't an exuces either, there is a mess hall, bathroom and an armor locker, because of their precense i'm able to deduce that Shepard is supposed to make use of these features.
Modifié par Il Divo, 20 août 2011 - 08:18 .
Modifié par Aaleel, 20 août 2011 - 08:25 .
Aaleel wrote...
The one thing that always bothered me about the weapons in ME2 is that Shepard was an elite Space Marine, turned even more elite spectre but he lacks the aptitude to at any one time know how to use any weapon he picks up in the game.
My Vanguard was a marine, and now Spectre but can't use an assault rifle. I hope they just let us use whatever weapon we want again.
Aaleel wrote...
I hope they just let us use whatever weapon we want again.
didymos1120 wrote...
They've already confirmed that we can. Thing is, though, you couldn't really do that in ME1. Oh, sure you could attempt to use weapons you had no training for, but you weren't going to get very far doing that. The only way to really, truly use them was to waste your bonus skill on whatever type of weapon you were interested in.
Chewin3 wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
They've already confirmed that we can. Thing is, though, you couldn't really do that in ME1. Oh, sure you could attempt to use weapons you had no training for, but you weren't going to get very far doing that. The only way to really, truly use them was to waste your bonus skill on whatever type of weapon you were interested in.
But through a NG+ you could choose one weapon specialization.
didymos1120 wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
I hope they just let us use whatever weapon we want again.
They've already confirmed that we can. Thing is, though, you couldn't really do that in ME1. Oh, sure you could attempt to use weapons you had no training for, but you weren't going to get very far doing that. The only way to really, truly use them was to waste your bonus skill on whatever type of weapon you were interested in.
Il Divo wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
And how is that an excuse? it goes beyond that, if a writer want's me to take for granted that the isolated Krogan homeworld has armor parts for a rare human armor, only used by N7 agent, even though it's a Krogan world with almost no human tourism, (exept herpy-derpy-Shepard), then i think that the writers either didn't care at all about accuracy, or that they think we are to stupid to notice these holes.
Because it's existed since the dawn of video games. Gameplay-lore segregation, as I explained, means that what physically happens on screen does not correlate with the storyline.
That's exactly what happens, you would think that Developer should try their best to avoid that.
Medigel now requires an upgrade to heal people because the developers wanted a balancing mechanic.
Which doesn't make any sense, Medigel is there to heal people's wounds, but now all the sudden it requires to be upgraded, without any kind of explanations, this this probably the most obivious retcon in the game as it directly contradicts for what is said in game.
Probes collect resources because the developers did not want a separate animation where Shepard + squad is forced to acquire resources.
Cheap Bioware lazyness - Check.
several lines of explanation an maybe a codex entry would have fixed this.
You have no problem ignoring that Shepard is able to carry a million different suits of armor. Ashley switching on Immunity to take a shotgun blast to the face is perfectly acceptable. How is this any different? Game developers do what they must for game balance. I fail to see how a minor change in the function of medigel constitutes the entire setting/codex being compromised and "dumbed down".Same with medi-gel, it's neatly explained in the codex as a product that heals people, yet i can't to do so.
It effectively is healing people, by reviving them.
But when my character is heaviliy wounded hiding behind a wall to recover health it doesn't heal him, and why can't Shepard be revived, give squadmates a meaningfull role, you would think that one well placed burst would kill Miranda out right, but she is only knocked out.
Shepard never having to eat or to put on his armor isn't an exuces either, there is a mess hall, bathroom and an armor locker, because of their precense i'm able to deduce that Shepard is supposed to make use of these features.
You never see him put on his armor, correct? How can you deduce that it's not magically switching places with his current armor if he never physically takes it off?
Basic logic, come on.
Certain elments in a story can allude to certain actions made by the characters, like there being a messhall to eat, a specific explanation is not needed then, but when suddenly pre-established lore is changed (Medigel), without recieving any kind of explanation then it becomes an Retcon.
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