While reading through these forums, i have noticed that many people have been calling Legion a "he". But it is not. Infact, it doesn't mind being called an it. There is nothing that makes it a "he". Why can't we just refer to Legion as an it?
Legion....a Man? Who knew?
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 01:06
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"it" is awkward. Most people on this forum see legion as a person rather than an "it," so I imagine using "he" is just what comes natural. Besides, Legion is totally a bro.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 01:18
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Also the fact that his body matchs that of someone masculine and his voice sounds kinda like a male could also be a reason as well.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 01:23
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Legion's more of a "them," really, anyway. But it's mostly a psychological thing. Our culture considers male the "default" and thus non-gendered sentient creatures are always considered male. (The male voice actor helps, of course, but you still get people calling Shale a "he" in the DA fandom, so...)
Though it is worthy of note, and quite appreciated, that I'm pretty sure Legion never gets called male in-game. In the English version, anyway. I don't know what kind of gender conjugation gets used when referring to them in the French translation, or whatever. I'd assume male, for the aforementioned reason.
Though it is worthy of note, and quite appreciated, that I'm pretty sure Legion never gets called male in-game. In the English version, anyway. I don't know what kind of gender conjugation gets used when referring to them in the French translation, or whatever. I'd assume male, for the aforementioned reason.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 01:41
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Quething wrote...
Legion's more of a "them," really, anyway. But it's mostly a psychological thing. Our culture considers male the "default" and thus non-gendered sentient creatures are always considered male. (The male voice actor helps, of course, but you still get people calling Shale a "he" in the DA fandom, so...)
Though it is worthy of note, and quite appreciated, that I'm pretty sure Legion never gets called male in-game. In the English version, anyway. I don't know what kind of gender conjugation gets used when referring to them in the French translation, or whatever. I'd assume male, for the aforementioned reason.
Gavin Archer refers to Legion as him or he IIRC.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 01:59
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Mims wrote...
Same reason EDI/Normandy is a "she".
This^
Plus people instinctively call Legion a him because he has a male voice. Just as EDI is a she for her female voice
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 02:10
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I believe I had said he sounded male already but it is good to know I'm not the only one who think he has a male voice.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 03:34
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Because Legion has a male voice and to me "they" (~1000 units that make up Legion) are more like a person so I don't like "it".
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 03:35
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Seboist wrote...
Quething wrote...
Legion's more of a "them," really, anyway. But it's mostly a psychological thing. Our culture considers male the "default" and thus non-gendered sentient creatures are always considered male. (The male voice actor helps, of course, but you still get people calling Shale a "he" in the DA fandom, so...)
Though it is worthy of note, and quite appreciated, that I'm pretty sure Legion never gets called male in-game. In the English version, anyway. I don't know what kind of gender conjugation gets used when referring to them in the French translation, or whatever. I'd assume male, for the aforementioned reason.
Gavin Archer refers to Legion as him or he IIRC.
Things tend to get fuzzy when dealing with gestalts.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 03:40
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it is a mix of the voice and the muscular build of the geth body. Legion is called him as we no longer see him as a machine but as a person. he has personality and adapts to situations. Legion is often funny and has a level of wonder to him. same with EDI the more time we spent with her the more personality we saw to the point where joker is joking and teasing her. after the collectors take the crew joker calls EDI her and she and openly trusts her
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 03:52
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It's just easier to refer to it as a "he" since it has a male voice and saying "it" all the time just sounds odd.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 05:19
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Maleish voice I guess. But technicaly Legion is they not he.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 07:04
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Well, you call Bender from futurama "he", don't you?
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 08:26
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King Killoth wrote...
it is a mix of the voice and the muscular build of the geth body. Legion is called him as we no longer see him as a machine but as a person. he has personality and adapts to situations. Legion is often funny and has a level of wonder to him. same with EDI the more time we spent with her the more personality we saw to the point where joker is joking and teasing her. after the collectors take the crew joker calls EDI her and she and openly trusts her
You may no longer see Legion as a Machine but some do. I call Legion "It" I don't call the Terminator he either. Nor would I call Skynet, a Cylon except the 13 models that are organic and operate exactly as a he/she should.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 10:01
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AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
While reading through these forums, i have noticed that many people have been calling Legion a "he". But it is not. Infact, it doesn't mind being called an it. There is nothing that makes it a "he". Why can't we just refer to Legion as an it?
Ships are genderless, yet are referred to as "she".
Giving it a "he" or "she" makes it easier for humans to connect to.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 10:04
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It's a psychological thing like has been stated before. People tend to refer to inanimate objects by gender pronoun. Legion seems to be called a he due to the voice being predominantly sounding male.
In real life people refer to their cars, boats, ships and other vehicles as a she. Everything has a gender pronoun usually even inanimate objects unless otherwise specified.
In real life people refer to their cars, boats, ships and other vehicles as a she. Everything has a gender pronoun usually even inanimate objects unless otherwise specified.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 10:05
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Calling something "it" carries the connotations of an inanimate object, whereas Legion is an intelligent being. Male pronouns feel more natural because Legion has a male voice.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 10:08
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Quething wrote...
Legion's more of a "them," really, anyway. But it's mostly a psychological thing. Our culture considers male the "default" and thus non-gendered sentient creatures are always considered male. (The male voice actor helps, of course, but you still get people calling Shale a "he" in the DA fandom, so...)
Though it is worthy of note, and quite appreciated, that I'm pretty sure Legion never gets called male in-game. In the English version, anyway. I don't know what kind of gender conjugation gets used when referring to them in the French translation, or whatever. I'd assume male, for the aforementioned reason.
It's the voice. As for the Shale, her voice sounds more like a cliche gay man's voice than it does a woman's voice. I thought she was a he until context made it clear she wasn't.
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Posté 17 août 2011 - 10:28
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WELL, I call him "he" for a couple reasons. First, it is a one word declaration of sapience to everyone listening. That means that, though it isn't technically correct as it is a gestalt consciousness, in one word I am declaring how I fall in the "are the get sapient" debate.
Second, it is in character for my Shepard to call him "he". In one word, my Shepard, as I would have him to be, declares to the galaxy how he views the geth and what respect he believes they are entitled to.
Third, it is a heck of a lot easier for us as a sapient race with pronouns to say "he said" rather than "it said." that sort of statement just doesn't work for us.
Finally, I say "he" vs "she" because Legion has a male voice actor.
Second, it is in character for my Shepard to call him "he". In one word, my Shepard, as I would have him to be, declares to the galaxy how he views the geth and what respect he believes they are entitled to.
Third, it is a heck of a lot easier for us as a sapient race with pronouns to say "he said" rather than "it said." that sort of statement just doesn't work for us.
Finally, I say "he" vs "she" because Legion has a male voice actor.
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Posté 19 octobre 2011 - 12:38
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You guys are running out of things to complain about.
