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[Relshar]

Why so special and feared by the normal populace?
Yes they are the only ones that can kill the Archdemon, but why are they considered so special other than that by the normal folk of Fereldan ?

Its not as if they have any true special abilities they are just normal warriors, mages and rogues that have drank some blood and will now live only 30 years if they dont die in battle. I fail to see why they are considered to be special in the lore and game world.

Look to comparrison with the Witcher Geralt. He was stronger and faster than the average human due to the Grass Trials. Which mutated him, he also had access to basic magic and alchemy.

1 vs 1 in a fight between Geralt and the Grey Warden Geralt would win hands down.

I have played through the entier game and fail to see why they are so special other than the reason they are the only ones that can kill the Archdemon. I honstly cant see any benifits to the order or am I missing something ?

[Darpaek]

You're missing something...

[Zenthar Aseth]

Because they're the elite warriors who have dedicated their lives to battling Darkspawn. And they also have a lot of legends and stories behind them..

1v1 vs a Grey Warden and Geralt? LOL, ridiculous. It depends on the Grey Warden..... on the whole, DAO is more high magic world so the Grey Warden's have a very good chance against Geralt..

Modifié par Zenthar Aseth, 21 novembre 2009 - 05:22 .

[pokemaughan]

They're like the difference between backyard hillbillies with shotguns (average folk) and elite special op commandos.



Or so I've been told.

[Darpaek]

Ahhh geez guys, it's more than that...



Okay.



Not to make this into some kooky religious discussion, but he's a real world example that - if you grew up in the West - you should be familiar with:



The Blight is Armageddon.



Satan and his minions pour forth from Hell in the final days. A chosen few will stand with Christ in a battle at Megido against the forces of darkness. A Grey Warden is one of those chosen few.

[Relshar]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Because they're the elite warriors who have dedicated their lives to battling Darkspawn. And they also have a lot of legends and stories behind them..

1v1 vs a Grey Warden and Geralt? LOL, ridiculous. It depends on the Grey Warden..... on the whole, DAO is more high magic world so the Grey Warden's have a very good chance against Geralt..

What makes them elite though?
The Legion of the Dead are elite in your words then. So a Grey Warden is = to one Legion of the Dead warrior ? is that what your saying ?

Legends and Stories yes but no real truths. A legend of them flying in to battle on Griffins much like the legend of St George killing the dragon. See where I am coming from?

Templars are elite warriors due to their ability to slay mages with ease. They can also slay Darkspawn easy as well just like the Grey Wardens. So in effect Grey Wardens are just a mish mash of people who drink darkspawn blood and think they can order the rest of Fereldan about.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Just to sum up what has been said here because I fee it needs to be said again:



Grey wardens are not super heroes, they are hand-picked men and women who excl in their fields. Even in the main story you run into warriors who are as competent as you, but a reputation as a badasss is still deserved.



Add to that the fact that wardens are the stuff of legend, walking amongst the people. The only reason anyone is still around is because the grey wardens keep saving the world.. People don;t know the specifics, all they know is that the wardens are powerful people who live a life of isolation, waiting for th day when they will step forth to save the word yet again. These men and women bow to no king o queen, they are a force unto themselves.



Of COURSE people fear and respect them.

[DiablosShadows]

grey wardens do get other skills from their blood or taint whatever its called in DLC

[Zenthar Aseth]

Relshar wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Because they're the elite warriors who have dedicated their lives to battling Darkspawn. And they also have a lot of legends and stories behind them..

1v1 vs a Grey Warden and Geralt? LOL, ridiculous. It depends on the Grey Warden..... on the whole, DAO is more high magic world so the Grey Warden's have a very good chance against Geralt..

What makes them elite though?
The Legion of the Dead are elite in your words then. So a Grey Warden is = to one Legion of the Dead warrior ? is that what your saying ?

Legends and Stories yes but no real truths. A legend of them flying in to battle on Griffins much like the legend of St George killing the dragon. See where I am coming from?

Templars are elite warriors due to their ability to slay mages with ease. They can also slay Darkspawn easy as well just like the Grey Wardens. So in effect Grey Wardens are just a mish mash of people who drink darkspawn blood and think they can order the rest of Fereldan about.

What? I said nothing about the Legion of the Dead. I didn't say the Grey Wardens are elite because they battle the Darkspawn. They are elite because the recruiters only recruit extremely skilled warriors/mages to the ranks of Grey Wardens.. and then they hone their combat skills for their whole life. Whereas anyone can join the Legion of the Dead, AFAIK...

No I don't see where you're coming from. Wardens really did fly to battle with Griffons. And I was talking about the legends of them saving the mankind four times and invidual sacrificies they have made..

Templars are not elite warriors due to their ability to slay mages with ease. What kind of logic does that follow? You wouldn't call someone who is very good against rats an elite warrior just because he's good against rats? Some templars are "elite warriors" for sure.. but not all of them. Templars are not selected as carefully as Wardens, not at all.

Think a little about what you say. Compare it to the real world, if you wish. Grey wardens = Delta force. Careful selection, the best of the best from all walks of life..

[Sloth Of Doom]

Relshar wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Because they're the elite warriors who have dedicated their lives to battling Darkspawn. And they also have a lot of legends and stories behind them..

1v1 vs a Grey Warden and Geralt? LOL, ridiculous. It depends on the Grey Warden..... on the whole, DAO is more high magic world so the Grey Warden's have a very good chance against Geralt..

What makes them elite though?
The Legion of the Dead are elite in your words then. So a Grey Warden is = to one Legion of the Dead warrior ? is that what your saying ?

Legends and Stories yes but no real truths. A legend of them flying in to battle on Griffins much like the legend of St George killing the dragon. See where I am coming from?

Templars are elite warriors due to their ability to slay mages with ease. They can also slay Darkspawn easy as well just like the Grey Wardens. So in effect Grey Wardens are just a mish mash of people who drink darkspawn blood and think they can order the rest of Fereldan about.

Yes, in raw ability one GW is equal to one really good DL member, or one special templar, or that one mage in the circle tower that happens to be especially good at throwing fireballs, or maybe pirate who is feared in all of the known seas for his swordfighting.

Do not underestimate the power of legends and stories specially not in a primitive society and especially if the subject of those legends and stories are stll not only walking around but actually living up to the egends.   Hard for me to say 'meh it is just a stoy' when a grey wardn has just walked through town and killed an entire band of thugs that has been terrorizing travelers for the last 2 years.

Modifié par Sloth Of Doom, 21 novembre 2009 - 05:49 .

[DiablosShadows]

but yea i can see Geralt beating the crap out of a grey warden.Geralt is also a pimp a Grey Warden has to choose 1 woman to stick with -.-

[originalSabZero]

Darpaek wrote...

You're missing something...

Which is a spoiler, but I will say that the only the Grey Wardens can do a certain thing.

[jdeneweth]

The dragon age world is supposed to be 'dark' and 'realistic'. The game explains why the grey warden rituals and the thing that only they can do are secret. In the game world the common folk don't know what 'powers' grey wardens have. They only know that they are hand picked from the best of the best warriors and give up a normal life to protect against a threat that may not even happen in their life time. I think its natural to fear someone that when faced with darkspawn charges into battle rather than flee.

[aberdash]

The only difference between a grey warden and a great warrior is that a grey warden drank some darkspawn blood. The wardens are no more and no less skilled in combat.

[Zenthar Aseth]

aberdash wrote...

The only difference between a grey warden and a great warrior is that a grey warden drank some darkspawn blood. The wardens are no more and no less skilled in combat.

The difference is that everyone in the Grey Warden's is a great warrior. So every Grey Warden you see, you know he's lethal. But just a great warrior? Much, much harder to see. And Grey Warden's have saved everyone multiple times...

[marshalleck]

OP, stop blasting through the dialogue and actually take the time to read it. You'll learn what's important about Grey Wardens.

[Darpaek]

This whole discussion of the uberness of individual GW's is totally missing the forest for the trees.

[Ashlag]

aberdash wrote...

The only difference between a grey warden and a great warrior is that a grey warden drank some darkspawn blood. The wardens are no more and no less skilled in combat.

True, but that same Grey Warden is able to end a Blight (finish the game for details about this) while the great warrior is not.

That's where their mystique comes from, Grey Wardens have been the only ones able to effectively battle the Blights. They aren't super heros, they have to have armies backing them up and supporting them, but in the end it is them who end a Blight.

[The Demonologist]

It's the power of legend, with a more than healthy dose of training and elite selection.



Need more be said?

[Raxxman]

I was a bit dissapointed with no Warden like superpowers.



Geralt is awesome though, would be handy in this game.

[F-C]

i guess to put it in real world terms you would have your army soldiers, then you have your green berets.



im sure if someone went through the army soldiers they could find exceptional warriors that were just above and beyond the normal of what is expected of a soldier, yet they are still not a green beret.



on the flipside you will not find a green beret that is just an average soldier. all of them are highly skilled and trained, no exceptions.



you can find exceptions in one, but not the other.

[Setz69]

Grey Wardens are not elite because they have become Grey Wardens, You must be elite to BECOME a Grey Warden.



In all the origin stories you own several people (Some stories you own more than others). The regular populace can't do this, and therefore aren't worthy of being Grey Wardens. They will never be recruited and this is why Grey Wardens are feared. Only the best become guardians to battle the blight.

[marshalleck]

lots of people in this thread apparently didn't pay attention to the dialogue

hint: individual warrior skill has nothing to do with it

Modifié par marshalleck, 21 novembre 2009 - 06:26 .

[Zenthar Aseth]

Like?

[ReubenLiew]

Because Grey Wardens can gain exp, whilst NPCs cannot.



Fact.



Also, people travelling with the Grey Wardens feed off their magical ability to gain exp and therefore also gains the ability to gain exp.