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[medcsu]

What I DON'T want is for us to lure them all into some area and detonate it. That would be a waste.

I want systematic destruction of them.

[suprhomre]

My using a virus on a crappy mac.

[SkittlesKat96]

Smart thinking and tactics will obviously be a start...

Amass many many fleets and the most advanced weaponry as possible and force the Reapers to split their forces and take them all down (even if it means many planets, space stations, lives and fleets will be lost.)

I still think Dreadnoughts will also have a big role in ME 3 but I'm still not sure how. Reapers are too fast for Dreadnoughts but I know that somehow Dreadnoughts will be important. Maybe for soaking up Reaper firepower, finishing off weakened/trapped/slowed Reapers and etc.
Or maybe one of the parts of taking back Earth requires a Dreadnought orbital bombardment or something....

Also maybe if you left the Collector Base standing they can find weaponry of the likes of the Collector Cruiser.

[zingro]

Reapers pffft they remind me of the shadows from babylon5, they are not that evolved and epic as they claim they are. lol

They are just delusional wannabe gods as they still depend on 3rd/4th dimensional technology and firepower to win their battles. so yes, we can defeat them.

Only way possible is either Shepard finds some ancient alien tech weapon that can easily destroy their ships or he uploads a virus that wipes them out haha - Independance Gay.

If they use technology then they have a weakness. Shepard will find IT!!

Or Bioware could go the fail way with the ending by uploading a virus into the mainframe

[Weskerr]

zingro wrote...

Reapers pffft they remind me of the shadows from babylon5, they are not that evolved and epic as they claim they are. lol

They are just delusional wannabe gods as they still depend on 3rd/4th dimensional technology and firepower to win their battles. so yes, we can defeat them.

Only way possible is either Shepard finds some ancient alien tech weapon that can easily destroy their ships or he uploads a virus that wipes them out haha - Independance Gay.

If they use technology then they have a weakness. Shepard will find IT!!

Yes, exactly my thoughts. People are overestimating them because they're unknown and thus scary. The worst thing to do when trying to win a war is either overestimating or underestimating your enemy. Doing either makes any decision you make be based on fasle assumptions.  Everyone seems to be overestimating them except Shepard and TIM (yes TIM - at least in ME2).

Modifié par Weskerr, 17 août 2011 - 08:48 .

[Zu Long]

I can think of a couple things in our favor. One thing is the fact that fighters can apparently install and fire the Thanix Cannon. Given that humanity has fleet carriers and the Thanix Cannon does not appear to take a great deal of time to install, that could be a major boost to firepower for the good guys.

Ultimately though, I'm thinking that it's going to have something to do that sun from Tali's mission. They made too big a deal of setting that up as a Chekov's Gun for me to believe it won't be really important in the third game.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I can't concieve any satisfactory way to win at this point that ISN'T a Deus Ex Machina...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Weskerr wrote...

Yes, exactly my thoughts. People are overestimating them because they're unknown and thus scary. The worst thing to do when trying to win a war is either overestimating or underestimating your enemy. Doing either makes any decision you make be based on fasle assumptions.  Everyone seems to be overestimating them except Shepard and TIM (yes TIM - at least in ME2).

Aren't you underestimating them? That is far more dangerous than overestimating.

We saw how powerfull the reapers are. 2 fleets to take on one reaper????

[Lotion Soronarr]

Zu Long wrote...

I can think of a couple things in our favor. One thing is the fact that fighters can apparently install and fire the Thanix Cannon. Given that humanity has fleet carriers and the Thanix Cannon does not appear to take a great deal of time to install, that could be a major boost to firepower for the good guys.

[Zu Long]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

I can think of a couple things in our favor. One thing is the fact that fighters can apparently install and fire the Thanix Cannon. Given that humanity has fleet carriers and the Thanix Cannon does not appear to take a great deal of time to install, that could be a major boost to firepower for the good guys.

Don't look at me man, it's right there in the codex.

"Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate."

Bolding is mine.

Modifié par Zu Long, 17 août 2011 - 09:19 .

[Candidate 88766]

I imagine it'll happen by destroying Sol's relay, destroying all the Reapers in the system at the cost of Earth and, essentially, the human race.

[Barquiel]

We know reapers come in different sizes and I think it's save to assume that the reaper vanguard (Sovereign) was one of the most powerful ships. The alliance lost 4-5 cruisers against Sovereign and we didn't use dreadnoughts (if the Destiny Ascension is destroyed), carriers, Thanix cannons or Silaris ship armor.
The reapers also lost their chance to take the citadel in ME1. Remember, the their biggest advantage was usually the element of surprise (and controlling the relays). The situation is not entirely hopeless

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 août 2011 - 09:24 .

[Weskerr]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Yes, exactly my thoughts. People are overestimating them because they're unknown and thus scary. The worst thing to do when trying to win a war is either overestimating or underestimating your enemy. Doing either makes any decision you make be based on fasle assumptions.  Everyone seems to be overestimating them except Shepard and TIM (yes TIM - at least in ME2).

Aren't you underestimating them? That is far more dangerous than overestimating.

We saw how powerfull the reapers are. 2 fleets to take on one reaper????

I don't think I am. We have Sovereign's technological firepower and maybe even his defensive technology from studying his remains.  I don't see why every specie's military wouldn't upgrade themselves. Also, we've only ever fought against 1 Reaper (Sovereign) in battle. We saw how powerful one Reaper is. Concluding that every Reaper must be as strong as Sovereign is just a guess. Yes it's possible that every Reaper is as strong as Sovereign, but you shouldn't ignore other possibilities like.Sovereign could have been one of the Reaper's strongest ships if not the strongest. We know too little about them to think "They're unstoppable. Only a miracle would allow us to beat them." Doing so blinds you to possible strategies that could actually work to defeat them.

Also I think overestimation and underestimation of your enemy are equally dangerous.

Modifié par Weskerr, 17 août 2011 - 09:35 .

[Gravity Bun]

most likely deus ex machina.
or Shepard flies into space and hurls every single reaper into the sun.

[Ieldra]

How we will defeat the Reapers? I don't know how Bioware will handle it, but Elyvern and I have spent a lot of thought on a scenario that expands on what is already known about the Reapers instead of using McGuffins. I won't rehash the wall of text here. See....

The end of the Reaper War - a believable scenario

I don't say it will go that way. But in absence of any more knowledge about the Reapers' background and structural makeup, I think this is the most plausible scenario posted so far.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 août 2011 - 09:58 .

[KotorEffect3]

Honestly I don't even want to know how they will be defeated until I am maybe 3/4 into my first ME 3 playthrough.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Barquiel wrote...

We know reapers come in different sizes and I think it's save to assume that the reaper vanguard (Sovereign) was one of the most powerful ships. The alliance lost 4-5 cruisers against Sovereign and we didn't use dreadnoughts (if the Destiny Ascension is destroyed), carriers, Thanix cannons or Silaris ship armor.
The reapers also lost their chance to take the citadel in ME1. Remember, the their biggest advantage was usually the element of surprise (and controlling the relays). The situation is not entirely hopeless

Sovereign was stationary, not even trying to evade.

The 5th fleet had dreadnoughts. That is canon.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 17 août 2011 - 10:26 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Weskerr wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Aren't you underestimating them? That is far more dangerous than overestimating.

We saw how powerfull the reapers are. 2 fleets to take on one reaper????

I don't think I am. We have Sovereign's technological firepower and maybe even his defensive technology from studying his remains.  I don't see why every specie's military wouldn't upgrade themselves. Also, we've only ever fought against 1 Reaper (Sovereign) in battle. We saw how powerful one Reaper is. Concluding that every Reaper must be as strong as Sovereign is just a guess. Yes it's possible that every Reaper is as strong as Sovereign, but you shouldn't ignore other possibilities like.Sovereign could have been one of the Reaper's strongest ships if not the strongest. We know too little about them to think "They're unstoppable. Only a miracle would allow us to beat them." Doing so blinds you to possible strategies that could actually work to defeat them.

We don't have sovereigns firewpower. Most of Sovy'r reamains are lost (as stated by Anderson).
The Tanix is based on sovereigns "leg guns" (NOT the main cannon) and is nto as powerfull as the real thing. It gave Normany the firepower of a cruiser - and we all swa how cruiser shots affected Sovereign.

Must every reaper be as strong as Sovereign? Nope. But you cna't assume that it's the only one. And they will come in numbers.
And also, upgrades don't happen over night. If you assume not every reaper will be as strong as Sovereign, then you have to assume that not every of our ships will be fully upgraded - if at all.

Also I think overestimation and underestimation of your enemy are equally dangerous.

Overestimations leads to being overpraperd and cautios. You may hesitate and miss a chance to strike.

Underestimating leads to mobilizing assets too freely, and ending loosing them badly.

While both can lead to defeat, the latter is far more likely to do so.

[Barquiel]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


The 5th fleet had dreadnoughts.

2183 - no
2185 - yes (SSV Orizaba)

[sedrikhcain]

I assume there is some sort of "network" that links all the Reapers in some way. My hope is that we beat them by exploiting this network in some way. Given the circumstances, I think that's the most realistic thing, and it would be cool, as long as it's not with a stupid PC virus like in "Independence Day".

[KotorEffect3]

The only time I have noticed Reapers weakening has been when possessing their minions. In fact the fleet couldn't put a dent in Sovereign until Shepard defeated the saren corpse that Sovereign is possesing. Same thing in retribution, possesing their avatar (dude's name escapes me at the moment) seemed to tire them out.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Barquiel wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


The 5th fleet had dreadnoughts.

2183 - no
2185 - yes (SSV Orizaba)

No, it had dreadnought. One of the devs confirmed that there were DN's attached to the 5th fleet, but they didn't make a DN model in time, so there weren't any in the cutscene.

[Zu Long]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


The 5th fleet had dreadnoughts.

2183 - no
2185 - yes (SSV Orizaba)

No, it had dreadnought. One of the devs confirmed that there were DN's attached to the 5th fleet, but they didn't make a DN model in time, so there weren't any in the cutscene.

Link? Given that there are at least 5 fleets and that cannonically humanity only had 6 dreadnoughts at the time, it's not clear there were any attached to the Arcturus fleet and certainly more than one seems unlikely.

Modifié par Zu Long, 17 août 2011 - 11:09 .

[CrazyCatDude]

Honestly, the way I'd like to see us defeat the reapers is to fit hundreds, maybe thousands of fighters with quantum entanglement control relays and FTL drive cores, load them down with a kilo of antimatter each, then let EDI use them as guided FTL missiles. After than, you let physics take over.