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Will We Ever Find Out What Lands Lie Beyond Thedas?


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I'm calling it right now. An uncharted island with griffins in a wild state.

Mainly due to a hunch I have and Mike Laidlaw's suspicious comment "At this point I can only promise statues" regarding griffins


Woot! My Warden Commander will fly through the skies ... well, someday. Whenever DG decrees it, if ever. *LOL*

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I doubt we will ever see outside of Thedas, this series is about what's happening there, any other place wouldn't be concerned with Thedas or its practices. Even if there was a whole world out there, there's clearly no globalization, so unless the series ends with some invading army from the great beyond, I think Thedas is all this series will cover.


I'm a betting man, and I'm putting my money on the Reapers, and that Thedas is really a "refugee" planet in the Andromeda galaxy filled with species rescued from the Reaper-overrun Milky Way galaxy. Hey, a person can dream, right? *LOL*

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Quill74Pen...very true...I forgot about that in the books. But yes, it could still be it's own planet in a small zone. There have been extrasolar planets discovered already that don't fit the general rules for their class. Planetology is still a very young scince in that regard. Look what happened to Pluto over the past few years...and that's in our figurative backyard.

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Or it could be a Claymore like situation, I wont say anymore in case anyone is actually interested in that series.

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I have a sinking feeling that the reason the qunari left their homeland outside of Thedas because they were fleeing some cataclysm that destroyed it. There is nothing beyond Thedas but wasteland.

Maybe they were a small sect that were banished from their original home because of their extremeist beliefs, like the geth heretics.

As for the main topic, the people of Thedas do know that there's land south of the Wilds, west of Orlais, and the Donnarks north of the Anderfels. However, Thedas is big enough that they, and the writers, find it mostly irrelevant.

They first arrived in Thedas on warships, and judging by what they did next, it makes me wonder if they were on a colonization mission (either just from orders of the higher-ups in the qunari heirarchy, or from some other kossith who thought they'd be the best for the job.) Maybe their Arishok back then decided that they should leave and claim new lands soley for the Qun so they wouldn't have to share them or exist next to non-qunari kossith. Though I suppose they *could* have been kicked out or pressured to leave, and just arrived on Par Vollen extremely prepared to set up a new home for themselves.

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Quill74Pen wrote...

According to an index entry, the Qunari in Thedas have intermittent contact with their civilization on the other side of the ocean. The key word is, of course, intermittent. Who knows what the actual time interval is between those moments of contact with the mother civilization.

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What codex? Sten's comments in Origins seemed to suggest that they left their homeland behind completely.

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Hmm. I wonder if, perhaps, Thedas is the "backward" and "medieval" part of the planet it's on, while the rest of the world — especially where the original Kossith are based — is, say, several centuries ahead in terms of technology and knowledge. IOW, they actually have ships capable of long-distance oceanic travel, while Thedas is still stuck with itty bitty ships like the ancient Greeks and Romans had.

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thats1evildude wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

According to an index entry, the Qunari in Thedas have intermittent contact with their civilization on the other side of the ocean. The key word is, of course, intermittent. Who knows what the actual time interval is between those moments of contact with the mother civilization.

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What codex? Sten's comments in Origins seemed to suggest that they left their homeland behind completely.


I believe it's in one of the entries for DAII ... probably one of the Qunari-related ones. I'd have to go back to one of my old playthroughs to pinpoint exactly where I read it.

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Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. I wonder if, perhaps, Thedas is the "backward" and "medieval" part of the planet it's on, while the rest of the world — especially where the original Kossith are based — is, say, several centuries ahead in terms of technology and knowledge. IOW, they actually have ships capable of long-distance oceanic travel, while Thedas is still stuck with itty bitty ships like the ancient Greeks and Romans had.


Its possible, I just think that the Qunari society is better fit for technological advancement than that of Thedas, which had a reliance of a magic, religion, you have subjugation of a large portion of the population and a bunch of other problems that holds them back. But I don't the rest of the world would be too far ahead of them, this isn't an M Night movie lol.

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Sepewrath wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. I wonder if, perhaps, Thedas is the "backward" and "medieval" part of the planet it's on, while the rest of the world — especially where the original Kossith are based — is, say, several centuries ahead in terms of technology and knowledge. IOW, they actually have ships capable of long-distance oceanic travel, while Thedas is still stuck with itty bitty ships like the ancient Greeks and Romans had.


Its possible, I just think that the Qunari society is better fit for technological advancement than that of Thedas, which had a reliance of a magic, religion, you have subjugation of a large portion of the population and a bunch of other problems that holds them back. But I don't the rest of the world would be too far ahead of them, this isn't an M Night movie lol.


Well, there is a rather interesting theory that the Qunari's homeland has never known the ravages of the Blights, which is why advanced scounts such as Sten were sent to Ferelden in the first place. Without their society being repeatedly destroyed ever few centuries, the Qunari have never had the same technological stagnation as the rest of Thedas, thus they are more advanced.

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Interestingly enough, things like Blights should drive innovation, but their reliance on magic to end to it, is what's holding them back. If the Qunari were living in bliss, they should have to reason to think about advancement, so either things weren't going so well or its just their work ethic. But Thedas, should be better off than what they are, like how the Dwarves have explosives, I'm sure they came up with that for collapsing the Deep Roads to halt the Darkspawn. They should be working on nukes to take them all out at once.

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Quill74Pen...very true...I forgot about that in the books. But yes, it could still be it's own planet in a small zone. There have been extrasolar planets discovered already that don't fit the general rules for their class. Planetology is still a very young scince in that regard. Look what happened to Pluto over the past few years...and that's in our figurative backyard.

The reclassification of Pluto didn't have to do with climate though....if Thedas is about the size of Europe, I'm very doubtful that it would be able to fit on a planet the size of our moon, which is smaller than Pluto, and still keep a climate that'd be consistant with that of Thedas. I also don't think whatever Thedas is on would be a moon, seeing as there's no mention of anyone in that world being aware of another planet or anything that they can see/that they orbit, aside from the single sun.

Does anyone know how many days are in a year on the Chantry calendar? 

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Sepewrath wrote...

Interestingly enough, things like Blights should drive innovation, but their reliance on magic to end to it, is what's holding them back.


Magic can be innovative.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

Interestingly enough, things like Blights should drive innovation, but their reliance on magic to end to it, is what's holding them back.


Magic can be innovative.

In Tevinter, sure. Not so sure about Ferelden or the Free Marches though...the Chantry may be holding them back.

Edit: And since mages generally seem to be held in fear and suspicion, I doubt that helps the general population see magic's beneficial potential. 

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Does anyone know how many days are in a year on the Chantry calendar? 


There are twelve thirty-day months, so their year is about the same as ours.

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Sepewrath wrote...

Or it could be a Claymore like situation, I wont say anymore in case anyone is actually interested in that series.


That... wouldn't make any sense. Would they be harvesting abominations? Wardens who are succumbing to the calling?

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thats1evildude wrote...

Haradmir wrote...

Does anyone know how many days are in a year on the Chantry calendar? 


There are twelve thirty-day months, so their year is about the same as ours.

Would you say it's safe to assume for now that Thedas is on planet pretty similar to Earth then?

Just for convience, it could be.

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Sepewrath wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. I wonder if, perhaps, Thedas is the "backward" and "medieval" part of the planet it's on, while the rest of the world — especially where the original Kossith are based — is, say, several centuries ahead in terms of technology and knowledge. IOW, they actually have ships capable of long-distance oceanic travel, while Thedas is still stuck with itty bitty ships like the ancient Greeks and Romans had.


Its possible, I just think that the Qunari society is better fit for technological advancement than that of Thedas, which had a reliance of a magic, religion, you have subjugation of a large portion of the population and a bunch of other problems that holds them back. But I don't the rest of the world would be too far ahead of them, this isn't an M Night movie lol.


The Qunari are, indeed, more advanced technologically than Thedas.

They have gunpowder, for starters, and apparently nautical knowledge and capabilities that outstrip anything any nation of Thedas can produce. Qunari also apparently have access to chemical weaponry that addles a victim's mind, then turns it homicidal on his/her allies — an effect more pronounced in those of greater intellectual capacity (so, it's a selective chemical weapon, which is pretty advanced stuff, even in our day and age).

On a related note, in DAO, Shale mentions something about the Warden being from superior genetic stock. It's probably just a goof on the developers' part, but how would an ancient dwarf (Shayle of House Cadesh) ****** golem know anything about genetics? Did the dwarven empire of her time, before its destruction at the claws of the darkspawn, know about the very building blocks of life?

So many mysteries in the DA series, and it's likely answers will be few and fleeting.

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Haradmir wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Haradmir wrote...

Does anyone know how many days are in a year on the Chantry calendar? 


There are twelve thirty-day months, so their year is about the same as ours.

Would you say it's safe to assume for now that Thedas is on planet pretty similar to Earth then?

Just for convience, it could be.


Well, at the very least, the planet that Thedas is a part of would have to occupy a similar region of space that Earth does, since its days/months are of near-identical length.

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Quill74Pen wrote...

On a related note, in DAO, Shale mentions something about the Warden being from superior genetic stock. It's probably just a goof on the developers' part, but how would an ancient dwarf (Shayle of House Cadesh) ****** golem know anything about genetics? Did the dwarven empire of her time, before its destruction at the claws of the darkspawn, know about the very building blocks of life?


I vaguely remember the conversation you're referring to, and I think you're putting too much stock into Shale's offhand comment. She just says that the Warden must be an exceptional example of his/her soft, squishy kind.

However, mankind has had knowledge of biology and genetics for a long time, just not to the degree we have today. After all, we've been breeding domesticated animals like dogs and horses for centuries to encourage favourable traits.

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True, but that was only because astute observations noticed that certain pairings, over time, produced excellent offspring. It wasn't because our ancestors knew about DNA, RNA and all of that fun stuff we learn about today in basic biology classes. Still, such observations formed a foundation upon which the harder biological sciences were founded on.

Heh. I think it'd be hilarious if Bioware could find a conceivable way to link the DA and ME universes.

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The Chasind say that nomadic barbarians live in the frozen tundra that is south of Ostagar, and although people don't believe the Chasind, the codex on Boots of the Frozen Wastes says that the Chasind were right:

Temperatures in the Frozen Wastes can become perilously cold. The barbarians that live there favor boots like these to protect against frostbite. The barbarians, who are generally hospitable and friendly, often present these as gifts to travelers.


Would they really be considered barbarians if they are generally hospitable and friendly? That doesn't really fit the barbarian image to me. Nomads maybe, but not barbarians. lol




Barbarian is more of a derogatory term that doesn't always mean a cruel person.

Barbarian and Savage are pejorative terms used to refer to a person who is perceived to be uncivilized. The word is often used either in a general reference to a member of a nation or ethnos, typically a tribal society as seen by an urban civilization either viewed as inferior, or admired as a noble savage. In idiomatic or figurative usage, a "barbarian" may also be an individual reference to a brutal, cruel, warlike, insensitive person


Originally, Barbarian came from the greek term Barbaros used for funny foreigners (those who didn't know the greek language) and later used by the Romans to indicate cultural outsiders like the goths (same as today :P) and Vandals, both were pretty reasonable peoples except for the sacking part, but that is because the Romans were generally ENORMOUS dicks by that point in time.
Back on topic, if we did see the Qunari Homeland I would love it if the followers of the Qun were just a bunch of religious nuts cast out of the homeland and most of the Qunari are far for progressive than Thedas.

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Haradmir wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

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Does anyone know how many days are in a year on the Chantry calendar? 


There are twelve thirty-day months, so their year is about the same as ours.

Would you say it's safe to assume for now that Thedas is on planet pretty similar to Earth then?

Just for convience, it could be.


I could buy that, if we also could agree that this is possible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea ' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea

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RagingCyclone wrote...

I could buy that, if we also could agree that this is possible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea


If it is, that means people are coming from other dimensions because both the humans and the kossith just showed up one day in Par Vollen, complete with civilization ready to murder people for being born in the wrong place.

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[I could buy that, if we also could agree that this is possible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea


So, a continent the size of Europe is the only landmass there?