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[didymos1120]

Ophiskc wrote...

If they would have just shown a high res Jane (#2, the one now winning), EVERYBODY would had been "holy crap what a great improvement, good job Bioware!".

Oh, yeah, suuuure.  That's exactly what wouldn't have happened. People would have complained and whined about that too, most likely stuff like "Why didn't we get a say Bioware? WHY?", plus all the b!tching about how she looks like a 14 year old or is too pretty that we're getting now would still be happening.

[Rahmiel]

It would be great for in the future.. should anyone be upset about the game and claim that BW should run a poll to incorporate some character/location/design/aesthetic that people link them this thread, and demonstrate exactly why polls should not be used.

The gaming community is full of a wide range of people, some to troll, some to stir the pot, others honest, others willing to cheat and lie or attempt to skew results in their favour.. I just think BW and all devs should go about their business and give us their vision.

If you don't like it, then you can customise. But this customising through polls for a default appearance just does not work.

[ThePwener]

Memmahkth wrote...

*snip* 

Exactly. The internet is full of stupid.

[Homebound]

Memmahkth wrote...

It would be great for in the future.. should anyone be upset about the game and claim that BW should run a poll to incorporate some character/location/design/aesthetic that people link them this thread, and demonstrate exactly why polls should not be used.

The gaming community is full of a wide range of people, some to troll, some to stir the pot, others honest, others willing to cheat and lie or attempt to skew results in their favour.. I just think BW and all devs should go about their business and give us their vision.

If you don't like it, then you can customise. But this customising through polls for a default appearance just does not work.

i worry that our fanmeddling is skewering that vision sometimes.

[Ophiskc]

didymos1120 wrote...

People would have complained and whined about that too, most likely stuff like "Why didn't we get a say Bioware? WHY?"

Why would we? lol. We never had this kind of design choices before and to think about it makes no sense. Maybe few individuals would come up with the crazy idea but they would have been waved away from the developers and rest of the fanbase

[LPPrince]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Memmahkth wrote...

It would be great for in the future.. should anyone be upset about the game and claim that BW should run a poll to incorporate some character/location/design/aesthetic that people link them this thread, and demonstrate exactly why polls should not be used.

The gaming community is full of a wide range of people, some to troll, some to stir the pot, others honest, others willing to cheat and lie or attempt to skew results in their favour.. I just think BW and all devs should go about their business and give us their vision.

If you don't like it, then you can customise. But this customising through polls for a default appearance just does not work.

i worry that our fanmeddling is skewering that vision sometimes.

The lack of Mako, elevator loading, and wide sweeping environments lends credence to your opinion.

[Lord Jaric]

Tchones13 wrote...
Not quite there. But I do I appreciate you trying to sort of understand where I’m coming from. It’s a lot more than can be said about others since this whole fiasco started. So, thank you.

Getting into your example. You obviously felt strongly about the pixie hair. It’s a win-win situation in the way that you described. Now, indulge *me* for a moment: let’s imagine that #1 had won the first round. And there’d be hundreds of comments stereotyping #1’s look. “That’s a lesbo trucker”, they would say, among other things. Some lunatic would even write an article for PC Gamer called: “Death to pixie-haired Shepard”, listing every cliché in the book to explain why #1 would be absolutely unacceptable. Then a new poll is created, because some people claim to have voted for #1 only because of her face – but they would prefer a different hairstyle. Four choices are presented with #1’s face, the pixie-cut, plus three other options. And another hairstyle wins. That’s more like what happened. And I would honestly feel for you and anyone else who’d voted for #1.

And it would be the same, for example, had #4 won, and people used the “N” word and attacked her (that’d be a lawsuit in front of you, Kim Richards), a group of people would make some noise on Twitter saying they voted for the hairstyle, but would like a different skin tone. New poll, Caucasian wins.

See, in any of these situations, I can’t imagine myself being ok with a second round – whether I was benefitted or not. I said from the beginning: I liked all of those six first options and would have been happy had any of them won, as I would had the default Jane Shepard be given the Sheploo treatment (that is, had this contest never happened).

It’s just the way this second round came to be and the way it was handled, blows – that’s how I feel. Despite Bioware's best of intentions, I’m not calling conspiracy theories here, still, doesn’t make it right. It was handled very poorly.

As a side note – I’ll probably have to customize my Shepard anyways, since they announced they’ve gotten the tech for longer hair, I’ve been the most excited about that particular feature more than anything. I’m obsessed with Ashley’s new hair, and hoping it will be available at character creation. So it’s not about how I voted personally, believe it or not.

This is pretty much how I feel about the situation, it is not about which one had one and now is getting a second round, it’s about creating a second round over people not liking a particular thing about the one that won, many of which did so with prejudice, not all but more than enough to be noticed. And like you being a dirty blond, I can't help but somewhat feel offended that so many people had something against a blond shepard, partially the ones that made stereotype reasons.

[KBomb]

LPPrince wrote...



The lack of Mako, elevator loading, and wide sweeping environments lends credence to your opinion.

Some people may consider the lack of those things an improvement. Personally, I didn’t see the thrill in driving the Mako around planets that were virtually barren. Had you seen settlements--even abandoned ones--or perhaps some scenery, then that would have made it worthwhile. As for the elevator loading, meh. You heard news and a bit of banter. Nothing extraordinary. You get newsfeeds more so in ME2 than in ME and it seems they have improved banter for ME3.

And had they not try to cater to fan demands somewhat, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion about what femshep should look like. I agree that Bioware should have just made her what they wanted and not asked the fans. That was like sticking their hand into a sack of angry bees. Yet, this is the BSN and people would have still complained about how their vision was wrong and etc. Nothing they do will ever be universally accepted. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

@Tchones13 People did say things about number one looking butch. I read a lot of comments about that. I also agree that the people calling the blondes names like that were wrong. I didn’t like her because she wasn’t what I envisioned for femshep. I didn’t like blond, though I have been blond several times by choice. I have also had pink, purple and green hair and wouldn’t want those either for femshep. You may or may not agree with Bioware’s handling of this poll, but you cannot deny that fans seems to want her red. I may say some of the votes are people trolling, but you can’t have the hubris to say all those thousands of votes fall into that category.

[lady_v23]

Lord Jaric wrote...

Tchones13 wrote...
Not quite there. But I do I appreciate you trying to sort of understand where I’m coming from. It’s a lot more than can be said about others since this whole fiasco started. So, thank you.

Getting into your example. You obviously felt strongly about the pixie hair. It’s a win-win situation in the way that you described. Now, indulge *me* for a moment: let’s imagine that #1 had won the first round. And there’d be hundreds of comments stereotyping #1’s look. “That’s a lesbo trucker”, they would say, among other things. Some lunatic would even write an article for PC Gamer called: “Death to pixie-haired Shepard”, listing every cliché in the book to explain why #1 would be absolutely unacceptable. Then a new poll is created, because some people claim to have voted for #1 only because of her face – but they would prefer a different hairstyle. Four choices are presented with #1’s face, the pixie-cut, plus three other options. And another hairstyle wins. That’s more like what happened. And I would honestly feel for you and anyone else who’d voted for #1.

And it would be the same, for example, had #4 won, and people used the “N” word and attacked her (that’d be a lawsuit in front of you, Kim Richards), a group of people would make some noise on Twitter saying they voted for the hairstyle, but would like a different skin tone. New poll, Caucasian wins.

See, in any of these situations, I can’t imagine myself being ok with a second round – whether I was benefitted or not. I said from the beginning: I liked all of those six first options and would have been happy had any of them won, as I would had the default Jane Shepard be given the Sheploo treatment (that is, had this contest never happened).

It’s just the way this second round came to be and the way it was handled, blows – that’s how I feel. Despite Bioware's best of intentions, I’m not calling conspiracy theories here, still, doesn’t make it right. It was handled very poorly.

As a side note – I’ll probably have to customize my Shepard anyways, since they announced they’ve gotten the tech for longer hair, I’ve been the most excited about that particular feature more than anything. I’m obsessed with Ashley’s new hair, and hoping it will be available at character creation. So it’s not about how I voted personally, believe it or not.

This is pretty much how I feel about the situation, it is not about which one had one and now is getting a second round, it’s about creating a second round over people not liking a particular thing about the one that won, many of which did so with prejudice, not all but more than enough to be noticed. And like you being a dirty blond, I can't help but somewhat feel offended that so many people had something against a blond shepard, partially the ones that made stereotype reasons.

THIS. but im just happy that femshep is finally getting some attention.<_<

[lucylips000]

Xeranx wrote...

Syledir wrote...

Here is the problem.

During the first poll, everyone voted for the one they wanted most. #5 was winning obviously and it didn't take long until the name calling started. "Barbie", "Pornstar", "Sexsymbol", "Blondes are stupid", even "The hairstyle is impractical during the firefight." Nothing helped, #5 won. Of course everyone else was mad. And it's all Barbies fault. "If it weren't for that wet dream of a 15 year old, we would have won, right? Must have been the hairstyle."

BioWare has listened and voila, here your second poll. Every femshep gets a second chance, but with the same hairstyle. Everyone? Sadly not #1 and #2 are back, but #3, #4 and #6 weren't. Does that sound fair to you? #3 and #4 had more votes than #1 and #2, yet their supporters are not able to vote for them anymore. So what is the alternative? Make sure that the one who beat you in the first round won't survive the second round. It's not vote for the one you want anymore. It's vote against the one who is a thorn in your side. Some people even called it by the name in facebook. "Anything but blonde." they said.

The poll is not neutral anymore. They've got a second chance and they won't let one who beat them walk away, especially not as a winner.

Well, those that won the initial poll, well the second initial poll as there was one on twitter that had many vote for red hair, while maintaining that others "deal with it" and at the same time told said others to lose gracefully didn't win gracefully either.  LPPrince and others threw out and reposted those "deal with it" pics so fast.  All this in spite of the fact that LPPrince, himself, was performing the act of "rubbing it in" which was contrary to a post he made in response to another to not rub it in.  I mean, you reap what you sow at this point.  That's no one's fault but your own.

No, people made "Deal With It" banners because of the MASS hatred the blonde hair was getting. We have 4+ hate articles,all the blonde stereotypes in the world were usesd, and bunch of other stupid hate comments about blondes, to back that fact up. Doesn't matter anyway, with this new contest Bioware caved to a bunch of hatred and bullies. 

Modifié par lucylips000, 19 août 2011 - 01:40 .

[RynJ]

KBomb wrote...

@Tchones13 People did say things about number one looking butch. I read a lot of comments about that. I also agree that the people calling the blondes names like that were wrong. I didn’t like her because she wasn’t what I envisioned for femshep. I didn’t like blond, though I have been blond several times by choice. I have also had pink, purple and green hair and wouldn’t want those either for femshep. You may or may not agree with Bioware’s handling of this poll, but you cannot deny that fans seems to want her red. I may say some of the votes are people trolling, but you can’t have the hubris to say all those thousands of votes fall into that category.

Exactly!  Red hair is apparently what the fans want, and saying that all of them voted for her just to spite blonde hair is really, really ridiculous.  Because people want a redhead we're all prejudiced against blondes? Maybe I should say that anyone who isn't voting for the redhead or black haired or Brown haired Shep is prejudiced too?

I get how you feel, but this second poll was not about spitting on Blondes nor was it catering simply to those jerks who made all of those hurtful comments. They looked at a lot of comments saying they wanted 5s hairstyle with a different color and decided to give it a shot and see if those opinions held any weight. And they did. That's all there is to it, so try not to think about those prejudiced people and see it for what it is.

@lucylips000 - I really don't think that's the case and its certainly not what Bioware said it was about (not that they would always be telling the truth, but thinking otherwise is simply speculation that probably isn't true in this case)
. I wanted another poll for hair color but I'm not a bully nor do I have anything against blondes.

Modifié par RynJ, 19 août 2011 - 01:29 .

[Fata Morgana]

Tchones13 wrote...

Getting into your example. You obviously felt strongly about the pixie hair. It’s a win-win situation in the way that you described. Now, indulge *me* for a moment: let’s imagine that #1 had won the first round. And there’d be hundreds of comments stereotyping #1’s look. “That’s a lesbo trucker”, they would say, among other things.

I guess you failed to notice, like, any of the facebook comments about any of the FemSheps. Maybe this is part of the source of your angst.

Everybody and their brother *did* call #1 "lesbo" "******" "man-hater" etc. and said that they didn't want a Shep that wasn't feminine.  Similar things were said about the other tough-looking Sheps. 

Basically what I'm saying is that the scenario you'r describing - and that I'm describing too - wouldn't ever really happen in the real world, because everyone ALREADY decided that short-haired was gross because it was '******'. And frankly, that attitude is a lot more disgusting than worrying about Blondes because someone called them a bimbo. No one does violence against a woman because she's a blonde; they might do violence to her if they think she's a 'man hating ******'. 

Leaving that aside, I sincerely doubt Bioware would have made a vote for such a substantial change as hairstyle.  Haircolor (or eyecolor) is like a repaint; it's the exact same model as before but now you can choose the colors. Cool!  Changing the hair (or the face structure) would be like choosing an entirely different Shep, and if that were happening then you actually would have a real argument here. But that isn't happening.

[Sylvanpyxie]

So..

What are the numbers now?

[nitefyre410]

When the Blonde came out I was little meh about it - I didn't hate it but was overly excited. I do agree there need to be ethnically diverse characters in video games but I am not cry Racism over it. I personally voted for Red Hair because the Blonde looked horrible on that model it looks really oily. Honestly I want to change the hair style next because the slick back is not looking good for Fem Shep.

[AlphaJarmel]

Just noticed but Redshep's eyebrows are black, shouldn't they be some form of red?

[nitefyre410]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Just noticed but Redshep's eyebrows are black, shouldn't they be some form of red?

 


Ah "Details"  We have dispelled this rumor  


yes they should

[LPPrince]

Supposedly, black eyebrows on a redhead is fine but on a blonde its a travesty.

[Fata Morgana]

@Tchones13 Thinking about the scenario you provided, I have thought of a way that it might more directly mirror the current situation.

Let's say that in the first vote, #1 had been a red-headed pixie cut. And all others had been tight buns, except one shoulder-length that was so hideous it made Shep look like a homeless person. Then #1 wins, and there is an uproar from the community saying that the '******' only won because there were no good long-haired alternatives. Then let's say Bioware does a second vote using #1 as the base, with red-haired pixie as one of the choices, but also several other longer styles as well.

In that scenario, would I feel that an unfairness was done to me? Again, I find that the answer is no. Because in the first vote, I would have recognized that my Shep won, not because everyone liked short hair, but because the other choices were so abyssmal. The Shep I wanted was winning because of a cheat, essentially. And if the Shep I liked were really the most popular, voted for in the most fair way, then the second poll would have done nothing except re-vote her in. Seeing a second vote where she is trounced soundly would have been all that was needed to convince me that the first vote had been unfair. I would actually feel a little embarassed to come here with a straight face and tell people how unfair it was to me that the rigged election didn't stand, and now the majority was really getting what it wanted.

[Fata Morgana]

LPPrince wrote...

Supposedly, black eyebrows on a redhead is fine but on a blonde its a travesty.

I... I thought it made sense for both?  To me it's a suggestion that their hair is dyed, which would be in-keeping with ME lore that blondes & red-heads are rare. Now that lore may be scientifically inaccurate, but so are mass effect fields.

[lucylips000]

RynJ wrote...

KBomb wrote...

@Tchones13 People did say things about number one looking butch. I read a lot of comments about that. I also agree that the people calling the blondes names like that were wrong. I didn’t like her because she wasn’t what I envisioned for femshep. I didn’t like blond, though I have been blond several times by choice. I have also had pink, purple and green hair and wouldn’t want those either for femshep. You may or may not agree with Bioware’s handling of this poll, but you cannot deny that fans seems to want her red. I may say some of the votes are people trolling, but you can’t have the hubris to say all those thousands of votes fall into that category.

Exactly!  Red hair is apparently what the fans want, and saying that all of them voted for her just to spite blonde hair is really, really ridiculous.  Because people want a redhead we're all prejudiced against blondes? Maybe I should say that anyone who isn't voting for the redhead or black haired or Brown haired Shep is prejudiced too?

I get how you feel, but this second poll was not about spitting on Blondes nor was it catering simply to those jerks who made all of those hurtful comments. They looked at a lot of comments saying they wanted 5s hairstyle with a different color and decided to give it a shot and see if those opinions held any weight. And they did. That's all there is to it, so try not to think about those prejudiced people and see it for what it is.

@lucylips000 - I really don't think that's the case and its certainly not what Bioware said it was about (not that they would always be telling the truth, but thinking otherwise is simply speculation that probably isn't true in this case)
. I wanted another poll for hair color but I'm not a bully nor do I have anything against blondes.

Well, you may not have been one of the blonde haters or complainers, but, a whole lot of people who did want a re-do hair color were against the blonde hair and went about awful ways to express it.

The first contest made it clear that the one that won would" be in the game". Bioware even gave posters out of the FemSheps 1-6 at Comic-Con. Even #5 in her “original” hair color that was presented in the main contest they held. That sounds like they were the official ones that would end up in the game if they won. Why go to all the effort to make such posters just to change the appearance of one of the ones you handed out in the end :/

It wasn't until a bunch of hate speech about blonde hair and how FemShep can't be a blonde spread the internet. Then all the sudden, here it's …a  "do-over hair color" poll. I doubt if #4 (2nd place winner) would have won they would even be holding a 2nd round of voting for her. So, I don’t really think it was planned from the start to have a hair color contest poll either. and, too me, and many others, this just looks like Bioware listened to all the vocal blonde hate speech and gave them their way.  That article “Death To Blonde Shepard” is all contest re-do is now.

Modifié par lucylips000, 19 août 2011 - 04:09 .

[nitefyre410]

LPPrince wrote...

Supposedly, black eyebrows on a redhead is fine but on a blonde its a travesty.

never  thought the Blonde was  travesty but god the slick back hair.... NO! bad hairstyle is bad  hair style.

I was in more of the Meh  camp when it comes to be blonde Fem Shep.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 19 août 2011 - 03:29 .

[Sylvianus]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Tchones13 wrote...

Getting into your example. You obviously felt strongly about the pixie hair. It’s a win-win situation in the way that you described. Now, indulge *me* for a moment: let’s imagine that #1 had won the first round. And there’d be hundreds of comments stereotyping #1’s look. “That’s a lesbo trucker”, they would say, among other things.

I guess you failed to notice, like, any of the facebook comments about any of the FemSheps. Maybe this is part of the source of your angst.

Everybody and their brother *did* call #1 "lesbo" "******" "man-hater" etc. and said that they didn't want a Shep that wasn't feminine.  Similar things were said about the other tough-looking Sheps. 

Dont' forget " Rihanna for black shepard. And she was called like that by many pro-blondes here.

[Terastar]

If you think about if Red 5 wins then it is also reasonable to think that the other models will be in the CC editor. It may not make as HR as the default Red 5 but then you would still win because you could have the same hairstyle but different color and different eye color but the same facial structure as Red 5. For me that is a bigger win.

[KBomb]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Just noticed but Redshep's eyebrows are black, shouldn't they be some form of red?

My hair is a natural strawberry blond, more strawberry than blond. I have darker eyebrows and eyelashes. They look almost brown. It would make sense the deeper the red, the darker the eyebrow. However, every pale blond that I have encountered had blond brows and lashes. I am sure there are the ones who have darker shades, like my own and I just haven’t seen any. Most women do darken their brows and lashes. So it wouldn’t be unusual to see a blond or redhead with them.