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[1136342t54_]

charmingcharlie wrote...
Why would I want to take part in a voting process that is skewed in favour of one option ?  I would say voting in a flawed poll is actually worse because you are trying to give validity to a flawed poll.

No it isn't. If you still want a specific fem shep in the game that you like I would vote if I were you. Hell even Presidential elections are flawed in someways but I would still vote. Hell most polls have some flaws and even mistakes that can't be avoided at all. It just depends on how much focus you give to the mistakes or flaws that proves if its valid or not. 

[gamer_girl]

charmingcharlie wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
If that is true then there is little point in arguing. People who don't vote but then get pissy about elections or even small things like this are very annoying usually.

Why would I want to take part in a voting process that is skewed in favour of one option ?  I would say voting in a flawed poll is actually worse because you are trying to give validity to a flawed poll.

Sure it was flawed the first time but the second one is completely fair game. And really you can find flaws in anything if you look closely enough. Most of it is just people being too damn critical.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 19 août 2011 - 10:44 .

[TNT1991]

I support blonde AND red haired shepard. Does this mean I'm both right AND wrong? 

[slimgrin]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Whine, whine, WHINE, whine, whine!  Whine wh-whine!

I never typed this sh*t, what the f*ck? Make her into what ever you guys want...

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 août 2011 - 10:45 .

[Fata Morgana]

I'm sorry guys, I didn't want to have to do this, but I'm calling in the big guns:

[1136342t54_]

Fata Morgana wrote...

I'm sorry guys, I didn't want to have to do this, but I'm calling in the big guns:

Meh Shepard looks so stereo typically gay with those glasses 

[Knight of Dane]

Hah, i had planned on staying away from this thread, but i just had to leave a commet expressing my LOL'ing at the catfighting.

I almost feel left out

[charmingcharlie]

1136342t54 wrote...  No it isn't. If you still want a specific fem shep in the game that you like I would vote if I were you. Hell even Presidential elections are flawed in someways but I would still vote. Hell most polls have some flaws and even mistakes that can't be avoided at all. It just depends on how much focus you give to the mistakes or flaws that proves if its valid or not.

It is flawed and it ignores the result from the first poll (which I have just spent nearly 5 pages explaining).  Now I will be the first to admit that I was less than happy with the first poll but I took part in it because I thought that would be it.  But no I don't see why I should carry on  supporting poll after poll from Bioware that are consistently flawed and skewed in favour of certain options.  Now I can understand you kicking up a fuss about me not wanting to vote in a presidential vote but seriously are you going to say "you have no  opinion" if I don't vote in a face book poll because I have serious issues with the way it is done ?

gamer_girl wrote...
Sure it was flawed the first time but the second one is completely fair game. And really you can find flaws in anything if you look closely enough. Most of it is just people being too damn critical.

No it isn't fair game for the second poll as I have already explained.  If you consider the first one flawed then you shoud consider the second one as equally flawed.  We voted for a long haired, blue eyed, mole ridden pale faced femshep.  Then for the 2nd poll to be "valid" and "fair" all FOUR femsheps should be long haired, blue eyed, mole ridden, pale faced femsheps.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 19 août 2011 - 10:56 .

[Ophiskc]

Incredible how inmature Fata Morgana is, this person dont knows how to write without being disrespectful and childish toward others

[Fata Morgana]

I just realized, guys.

Facebook polls are super important. Probably you should only be allowed to do one after getting permission from the US government and having your legal council draw it up. Just to be safe.

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 19 août 2011 - 10:55 .

[gamer_girl]

charmingcharlie wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Sure it was flawed the first time but the second one is completely fair game. And really you can find flaws in anything if you look closely enough. Most of it is just people being too damn critical.

No it isn't fair game for the second poll as I have already explained.  If you consider the first one flawed then you shoud consider the second one as equally flawed.  We voted for a long haired, blue eyed, mole ridden pale faced femshep.  Then for the 2nd poll to be "valid" and "fair" all FOUR femsheps should be long haired, blue eyed, mole ridden, pale faced femsheps.

Ok again the photos on facebook aren't great so I can't even notice those differences. Not to mention those differences make a lot of sense. Red heads have freckles. That's just the way it is. Few others in reality have freckles on their face. It's not just about hair colour, they're trying to be accurate. Not to mention they all have the exact same skin colour and hairstyle, so I really don't see the problem here.

Edit: If you don't think someone with hair THAT red naturally should be given freckles, what do you think of an Asian Shep that doesn't have the eyes to match? Just because you see it as an unfair advantage doesn't mean it isn't supposed to be there.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 19 août 2011 - 11:00 .

[1136342t54_]

charmingcharlie wrote...

It is flawed and it ignores the result from the first poll (which I have just spent nearly 5 pages explaining).  Now I will be the first to admit that I was less than happy with the first poll but I took part in it because I thought that would be it.  But no I don't see why I should carry on  supporting poll after poll from Bioware that are consistently flawed and skewed in favour of certain options.  Now I can understand you kicking up a fuss about me not wanting to vote in a
presidential vote but seriously are you going to say "you have no  opinion" if I don't vote in a face book poll because I have serious issues with the way it is done ?

The fact that the second poll basically have mostly the same Fem sheps in it then it has not ignored the first poll so that is inaccurate.

To be honest I wouldn't have a problem if you disagreeing with the second poll and simply not voting but you do more than that. You don't vote then you make claims that people who supported red head shepard was the cause of this then you say that everyone who didn't vote for Fem shep 5 got what they want.

Your claims that the small minority who complained about the blonde shep has been proven un true due to statements from bioware which you ignored.

You also seem to say that bioware was being unintentionally bias (which is possibly true) and I could agree with you on that so I'm not going to hold that against you really.  Now you seem to be ignoring what is mostly a factual claim that the majority are voting for hair color not just because the differences may seem insignificant but because you can't see them due to the pictures bioware have put up.


Some of your arguments are attacks on other people. Whether it was intentional or not it still shows a lot of anger and others will see it as whining.

[1136342t54_]

charmingcharlie wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I don't know if you are doing this on purpose or not but you are ignoring the parts in my posts that recognizes that the majority never saw the differences in the shepards so it wouldn't effect the majority vote.

You are just speculating that, you can't say what makes everyone vote whatever way. My argument about this second vote is that it is just as unfair as the first. You just keep saying "oh the differences don't really matter" well you don't know that unless you ask every single person that voted. I would say eye colour is just as important as hair colour and the fact that red femshep is the only one in that poll that has green eyes gives her an unfair advantage just like in poll 1 when blonde femshep had an unfair advantage with the hairstyle.

WTF? How can I be speculating when it is obvious that the only time anyone actually saw any differences is when the high res pics came up on BSN. No one knew it and there was even an argument over if the eyes was different. You literally have to try very hard to find differences. I'd bet most people who are voting aren't from BSN and is just using the Facebook pictures.

[charmingcharlie]

gamer_girl wrote...   Ok again the photos on facebook aren't great so I can't even notice those differences. Not to mention those differences make a lot of sense. Red heads have freckles. That's just the way it is. Few others in reality have freckles on their face. It's not just about hair colour, they're trying to be accurate. Not to mention they all have the exact same skin colour and hairstyle, so I really don't see the problem here. 

Many people have freckles it does not depend on their hair colour, I also believe that green eyes isn't dependant on your hair colour either.   There is no need for red haired femshep to have unique features to her ONLY.  It introduces a bias in her favour that is not present in the others (there is your flaw).

We also DID NOT vote for freckles and green eyes.  So if people are saying that this poll is just to decide the hair colour then all four femsheps should have been EXACTLY the same and look EXACTLY like the winner from poll 1 except for hair colour.  That clearly isn't the case is it ?  Nope no one voted for red haired femshep in poll 1 we voted for femshep 5 in poll 1 and she was the winner therefore all 4 should have looked exactly the same except for hair colour for this poll to be fair.  

[Fata Morgana]

Ophiskc wrote...

Incredible how inmature Fata Morgana is, this person dont knows how to write without being disrespectful and childish toward others

Your'e right, I should spend more time in this thread arguing with madness, like how someone said that the people who don't like blonde shep are racists.

No, wait, I'm not going to do that at all.

[TNT1991]

Who is this "we" you speak of?

[gamer_girl]

charmingcharlie wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...   Ok again the photos on facebook aren't great so I can't even notice those differences. Not to mention those differences make a lot of sense. Red heads have freckles. That's just the way it is. Few others in reality have freckles on their face. It's not just about hair colour, they're trying to be accurate. Not to mention they all have the exact same skin colour and hairstyle, so I really don't see the problem here. 

Many people have freckles it does not depend on their hair colour, I also believe that green eyes isn't dependant on your hair colour either.   There is no need for red haired femshep to have unique features to her ONLY.  It introduces a bias in her favour that is not present in the others (there is your flaw).

We also DID NOT vote for freckles and green eyes.  So if people are saying that this poll is just to decide the hair colour then all four femsheps should have been EXACTLY the same and look EXACTLY like the winner from poll 1 except for hair colour.  That clearly isn't the case is it ?  Nope no one voted for red haired femshep in poll 1 we voted for femshep 5 in poll 1 and she was the winner therefore all 4 should have looked exactly the same except for hair colour for this poll to be fair.  

I know people who aren't red heads and have freckles exist, I happen to be one of them, but tell me how many red heads - not day walkers or unnatural reds- red heads have a complexion that isn't pale and freckled? Can't think of any? Exactly. Hair style I can agree gives an unfair advantage because that's something that is changeable, but you can't call something unfair just because racial variation exists. That's just plain moronic.

[didymos1120]

1136342t54 wrote...

WTF? How can I be speculating when it is obvious that the only time anyone actually saw any differences is when the high res pics came up on BSN. No one knew it and there was even an argument over if the eyes was different. You literally have to try very hard to find differences. I'd bet most people who are voting aren't from BSN and is just using the Facebook pictures.

Funny thing is, if you blow up the Facebook images and use a color picker on the eye pixels of the Femsheps, you'll discover that they ALL have green eyes.  Whatever they used to create those images from the original hi-res artwork distorted the eye colors.  So, unless all the people voting on Facebook making comments about "red and green, woot" or whatever have all looked at the hi-res images where the proper eye colors actually do show up, they're just seeing what they expect to see with the other images: non-green eyes.

Modifié par didymos1120, 19 août 2011 - 11:12 .

[1136342t54_]

didymos1120 wrote...

Funny thing is, if you blow up the Facebook images and use a color picker on the eye pixels of the Femsheps, you'll discover that they ALL have green eyes.  Whatever they used to create those images from the original hi-res artwork distorted the eye colors.  So, unless all the people voting on Facebook making comments about "red and green, woot" or whatever have all looked at the hi-res images where the proper eye colors actually do show up, they're just seeing what they expect to see with a redhead. 

Interesting observation. I'll try that later.

[Fata Morgana]

didymos1120 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

WTF? How can I be speculating when it is obvious that the only time anyone actually saw any differences is when the high res pics came up on BSN. No one knew it and there was even an argument over if the eyes was different. You literally have to try very hard to find differences. I'd bet most people who are voting aren't from BSN and is just using the Facebook pictures.

Funny thing is, if you blow up the Facebook images and use a color picker on the eye pixels of the Femsheps, you'll discover that they ALL have green eyes.  Whatever they used to create those images from the original hi-res artwork distorted the eye colors.  So, unless all the people voting on Facebook making comments about "red and green, woot" or whatever have all looked at the hi-res images where the proper eye colors actually do show up, they're just seeing what they expect to see with a redhead. 

This is more what I would have expected. Same eye color. But the pictures are too far distant for anyone to even be able to tell... yet some people have latched on to that non-issue as if it were the only thing that mattered.

[charmingcharlie]

1136342t54 wrote... The fact that the second poll basically have mostly the same Fem sheps in it then it has not ignored the first poll so that is inaccurate.

No it is not inaccurate, we voted for a pale faced, blue eyed, long haired mole ridden femshep did we not ? Then why the hell does the second poll feature a green eyed, freckled faced femshep ? I don't recall seeing her winning in the first poll do you ? So by introducing this new femshep that no one voted for is invalidating the 1st poll in my books.

1136342t54 wrote... You don't vote then you make claims that people who supported red head shepard was the cause of this then you say that everyone who didn't vote for Fem shep 5 got what they want.

I didn't realise this was up for dispute, it is widely stated that the majority making comments in the femshep picture section were asking for red hair

1136342t54 wrote... Your claims that the small minority who complained about the blonde shep has been proven un true due to statements from bioware which you ignored.

Hell Bioware ignored 32,000 votes for a blue eyed, long haired, pale faced femshep and introduced a green eyed freckled face femshep that no one voted for.

1136342t54 wrote... Now you seem to be ignoring what is mostly a factual claim that the majority are voting for hair color not just because the differences may seem insignificant but because you can't see them due to the pictures bioware have put up.

The differences are there, they can be seen and they will influence the vote as I keep saying and you keep saying "blah blah they wont" well if that is the case why did Bioware bother ? The differences exist and they will affect the vote the question is how much they will affect the vote and no one can answer that.

1136342t54 wrote... Some of your arguments are attacks on other people. Whether it was intentional or not it still shows a lot of anger and others will see it as whining.

I have not attacked or insulted anyone in the past five pages. I have merely sought to explain that saying "this is just a vote on hair colour" is wrong and the vote is flawed. But for some reason you don't like that.

gamer_girl wrote...
I know people who aren't red heads and have freckles exist, I happen to be one of them, but tell me how many red  heads - not day walkers or unnatural reds- red heads have a complexion that isn't pale and freckled? Can't think of any? Exactly. Hair style I can agree gives an unfair advantage because that's something that is changeable, but you can't call something unfair just because racial variation exists. That's just plain moronic.

But that isn't what we voted for was it ?  we didn't vote for freckles we voted for the mole.  You also totally ignored the question of eye colour, is it only red heads that have green eyes ?  As far as I know that isn't the case so why does red femshep have green eyes but the others don't ?

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 19 août 2011 - 11:15 .

[Fata Morgana]

If there is one criticism I would make of Bioware, it's that the votes don't have high-res face pictures instead of full body ones. It's not like we need to see the bodies, since we're not voting on that.

But what-evs, it's a goddamn facebook poll. The plight of the free world does not hang on the voting of jpegs.

[Fata Morgana]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I have merely sought to explain that saying "this is just a vote on hair colour" is wrong and the vote is flawed. But for some reason you don't like that believe that to be an incorrect premise based on wrong ideas.

Fixed.

[Xeranx]

didymos1120 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

WTF? How can I be speculating when it is obvious that the only time anyone actually saw any differences is when the high res pics came up on BSN. No one knew it and there was even an argument over if the eyes was different. You literally have to try very hard to find differences. I'd bet most people who are voting aren't from BSN and is just using the Facebook pictures.

Funny thing is, if you blow up the Facebook images and use a color picker on the eye pixels of the Femsheps, you'll discover that they ALL have green eyes.  Whatever they used to create those images from the original hi-res artwork distorted the eye colors.  So, unless all the people voting on Facebook making comments about "red and green, woot" or whatever have all looked at the hi-res images where the proper eye colors actually do show up, they're just seeing what they expect to see with the other images: non-green eyes.

What sorcery!! 

[JGDD]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Hell Bioware ignored 32,000 votes for a blue eyed, long haired, pale faced femshep and introduced a green eyed freckled face femshep that no one voted for.

Tough to vote for something that wasn't an option at the time.