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[Fata Morgana]

Village Idiot wrote...

That being said, I am hoping that after this vote, this will all be over.  I just want a FemShep trailer at this point and I don't care who is being pictured.

Amen to that. 

[didymos1120]

Thrombin wrote...

I voted for red and black but if I'd noticed the freckles I wouldn't have voted red. I don't really like them. Still, I doubt that we'd be able to see them on anything smaller than a wallpaper so it's all good.

So just go back, "unlike" Red 5 and "like" Raven 5.  Your vote is eminently revocable.

[gamer_girl]

To those who didn't see my edit on one post, I found the source of the high res shots. It was BioWare Pulse, which just goes to show how few people knew about it. Most likely found out about the voting via facebook. Trust me, I watched that particular BW Pulse live and there were only 900 viewers.

[Fata Morgana]

gamer_girl wrote...

To those who didn't see my edit on one post, I found the source of the high res shots. It was BioWare Pulse, which just goes to show how few people knew about it. Most likely found out about the voting via facebook. Trust me, I watched that particular BW Pulse live and there were only 900 viewers.

Ok, cool. I'm glad it turned out to be legit.

But I agree with you, the high-res photos that few people have seen could never be used as evidence of how people are voting in the Facebook poll. 

[1136342t54_]

Fata Morgana wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

To those who didn't see my edit on one post, I found the source of the high res shots. It was BioWare Pulse, which just goes to show how few people knew about it. Most likely found out about the voting via facebook. Trust me, I watched that particular BW Pulse live and there were only 900 viewers.

Ok, cool. I'm glad it turned out to be legit.

But I agree with you, the high-res photos that few people have seen could never be used as evidence of how people are voting in the Facebook poll. 

 well that sucks. That could have been the most epic troll ever.

[gamer_girl]

Fata Morgana wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

To those who didn't see my edit on one post, I found the source of the high res shots. It was BioWare Pulse, which just goes to show how few people knew about it. Most likely found out about the voting via facebook. Trust me, I watched that particular BW Pulse live and there were only 900 viewers.

Ok, cool. I'm glad it turned out to be legit.

But I agree with you, the high-res photos that few people have seen could never be used as evidence of how people are voting in the Facebook poll. 

Not to mention it's still such a minor detail that it gets overlooked. When I first watched that, I'll be honest with you, I thought all four of them were exactly the same aside from hair colour.

[RynJ]

Aww I was really hoping to start the coronation of the King/Queen Troll!

When does this poll end by the way? It's a week long right?

[JGDD]

RynJ wrote...

Aww I was really hoping to start the coronation of the King/Queen Troll!

When does this poll end by the way? It's a week long right?

Victor is supposed to be announced at PAX.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

gamer_girl wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

Can someone tell me where you get high-res version of the femsheps to view? I took the ones of facebook and this was what I got: no difference in eye color at all:

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Here are the high res ones. And even on these it is still difficult to distinguish eye colour let alone the freckles. You have to zoom in real damn close and place em side by side to even get a hint at the difference.

But where did those images come from?  I'd kind of like an official source rather than just this thread, because I am wondering if someone did some photoshopping to stir things up. 

Hmm... Not sure. They could very well be fakes which would obviously prove my point even more. I'll be right back. *begins searching for a source*

omg, that would be HILARIOUS!!! 

EDIT: dammit... just saw a couple posts below the one I quoted and the source was found.

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 20 août 2011 - 01:22 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Syledir wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Syledir wrote...

But BioWare left that little fact out.

They didn't leave it out.  They decided after the first poll had been going to do a second one based on all the requests for that hairstyle but another color.  They couldn't have told people when they announced the first vote about something they didn't even know they were going to do yet.

In that case, they shouldn't have done it at all.

Imagine this happened in real life. "Sorry Mr. Obama but many supporters gave you their vote out of the fact that you are afro-american. So lets start a second poll. People can choose between Nelson Mandela, Denzel Washington, Barack Obama and Tiger Woods. Since you won the first poll with ease, it shouldn't be a problem to win the second poll aswell. What? No, I'm sure the Clinton and McCain supporters will hold no grudge against you. These are grown people. Surely they wouldn't vote for another candidate simply out of spite." Aha

Original #3, #4 and #6 supporters can't vote for their favourite femshep anymore, but they can vote against the one who beat them during the first poll. #5 supporters have every right to be pissed.

One of the best posts on this subject as why the second poll may be unfair.  I even find myself debating this issue as if the only people voting are people who voted for Blonde Shepard in the first place.  This is not the case.  If people are given a chance who really didn't like femshep 5, they will vote against it not just out of spite, but because they have a chance to make femshep 5 look more like the Shepard they want.  Combined with the fact there are people who voted for 5 but didn't like the hair colour, I can see how the results are going the way they are.

To sum it up, original Femshep in poll 2 would have to overcome the following to be chosen, and it's almost statistically impossible, based off poll 1 results:

-People who really like Blonde Femshep as a whole package

vs.

-People who hate blondes and think they're bimbos
-People who don't like femshep face 5 in general and voted for other faces (and are now voting to make her as similar to their choice.
-People who like Femshep 5, but a different hair colour (eats away at votes for original femshep 5)
-People who want something close to default Shep (which is fine, because the new redhead in poll 2 is closest thing yet to Jane)
-The blonde/dirty blonde options.  There is no other variation among black or red choices. (again, eats away votes for blonde femshep by arguably "splitting" it)

That's how a vast majority gets overthrown.  By uniting the minority (which together form a bigger majority than the "real" majority) .  In hindsight, Blonde Shepard may have had very little chance to win poll 2 based off those facts.  Like I have said before, I don't think Bioware really thought this second poll through.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 20 août 2011 - 03:35 .

[DJRackham]

I have a feeling that the so called dirty blonde color is actually supposed to be light brown, but I have no evidence to support that supposition at this time. Still, the difference is a bit too slight and people are seeing brown as dirty blonde, so I guess the point is moot.

Modifié par DJRackham, 20 août 2011 - 04:12 .

[Comsky159]

It's democracy. People get to choose which candidate they prefer, the winner takes the pedestal. If you don't like that then you have a problem with democracy, or at least with the concept of re-election. There's really nothing else to it. You can't flaw the very basic majority rules argument.

Blond supporters are just a little sour because they were humiliated by holding those "deal with it" sigs, and inevitably a small number of people pointed and laughed. Have to concede Bioware should have given more of a heads up to those people who were going to yell victory prematurely. Keep in perspective though that this is a fictional character's haristyle at dispute; not the presidential election.

Modifié par Comsky159, 20 août 2011 - 05:09 .

[DxWill10]

Fingers crossed for black!

[Fata Morgana]

Facebook polls: Exactly as important as a presidential election.

[Fata Morgana]

Sigh. I must be mad to try to post an intelligent argument where I know it will be ignored, nevertheless I'm going to. Idiot that I am.

You can't compare this facebook vote to a presidential election and act like it is a 1 for 1 comparison, for several reasons.

The most important reason is that FemShep is not a real flesh and blood person. FemShep is, to reclaim a word that has been used unnecessarily as a insult, an Action Barbie that we use to murder reapers. And she's a lot of fun for that purpose. But you can't pretend that changing her physical appearance is anything like switching out one political leader with another. Doing so... makes you look foolish, to put it mildly.

As an action Barbie, she is essentially a plaything for our amusement, like a toy. A much better analogy than a presidential election is this: We just voted on our favorite transformer, and the winner was Optimus Prime. Now we're getting to select which design of Optimus Prime we like best. The vote isn't getting thrown out, because Optimus Prime is the only selection we can vote on. There's nothing dishonest or unfair about having a second election to discuss which Optimus prime we like best - in fact, it's a great additional feature that Bioware is offering us, and it's really nice of them!

I know not everyone feels that way, because the one they like isn't winning. But that doesn't mean that there's a conspiracy out to get you. That doesn't mean Bioware hates you or is trying to ruin your lives. It really, truly means that Bioware is offering choice, just like they always do. It's what makes Bioware great.

[Comsky159]

Double post...god I'm thick sometimes.

Modifié par Comsky159, 20 août 2011 - 05:09 .

[SojournerN7]

I'd vote for the Jane Shepard and be done with it. And she's already included in Mass Effect 1 & 2!
The beauty contest is really kind of absurd.



Found at this site.

[raynbow]

i like the red

[Balek-Vriege]

Comsky159 wrote...


It's democracy. People get to choose which candidate they prefer, the winner takes the pedestal. If you don't like that then you have a problem with democracy, or at least with the concept of re-election. There's really nothing else to it. You can't flaw the very basic majority rules argument.

Blond supporters are just a little sour because they were humiliated by holding those "deal with it" sigs, and inevitably a small number of people pointed and laughed. Have to concede Bioware should have given more of a heads up to those people who were going to yell victory prematurely. Keep in perspective though that this is a fictional character's haristyle at dispute; not the presidential election.

By that reasoning, there shouldn't have been a second poll.

You're generalizing a bit much saying every pro-blonde had those sigs, were trying to be hurtful.  They were a response to the stereotyping going on.  It was more:  "Deal with it.  She's a blonde, she's not a bombo because of it, and your stereotyping is illogical."  You're trying to justify something because people were possibly hurt by dumb (but funny and somewhat true) sigs.  Not really a good argument as to why the second vote is fair.

Also looking at elections and democracy you would find out its not as simple as "majority rules" once you start moving past a simple vote.  Doesn't matter if its a beauty pageant, American Idol, or a Presidential Election.  Messing around with voting too much can make it unfair intentional or not.  That's what may have happened here.  The first vote was a "majority rules." The most people voted for Femshep 5, why wasn't it left at that especially when it was heavily suggested and assumed that was the only vote to occur?  Of course you can say lots of people wanted another hair colour, but a lot of people wanted a different Shepard than femshep 5.  Shouldn't they get a say in facial structure too?  Hair style? Ethnicity since the runner up was a black Shepard?  As you can see, changing the rules at the last minute opens the process to weaknesses and unfairness.

As a side note, the election argument isn't really the case here.  These facebook polls are more like an unscientific poll with clout.

Back to my previous point based off what didymos1120 wrote:  If you really look at the demographic of people voting in poll 2 (who voted certain ways in poll 1 other than for blonde), there's more than enough "anti-femshep 5/blonde hair" minorities to form a huge majority in poll 2.  Again, that fact combined with the way the poll was set up with 2 destinct options and 2 options relatively the same, Blonde Shepard may have had no chance to win the second poll statistically.

Major Edit:

I know I said this poll isn't like an election, but I wanted to share real life "democratic process" which didn't pan out so well a couple years back.

There was a leadership covention a couple years back for a party leader of a powerful federal party in my Country.  There were three strong candidates at the top, a very weak one in fourth and a couple ok ones after that.  The party members at the convention essentially choose who the next leader will be through a series of runoff votes and candidates can "force" there delegates after losing a runoff to vote for another.  Well the way things worked out there was a bitter dispute between the two strongest candidates by the time of voting.  The 3rd candidate lost a runoff and handed his votes to the weak fourth, forcing the second best candidate out of the running.  Now the original second place candidate let his delegates vote for either of the remaining candidates.  The bitterness got to them and they all went for the weak, but "nice" 4th candidate.  He became the leader of the Party.  What happend next?

He became the weakest candidate ever, lost a historical amount of seats the next election, set up the next leader for an even bigger historical lost and the Party which governed the Country for decades is in shambles as a small minority in Government.  Most people (who couldn't vote in leadership race) knew he was a weak leader before hand and what made it worse was that all the delegates (party bigwigs/members) knew that too.  However, a shoddy runoff process and a bit of drama ended up derailing the leadership race and sowing the seeds of the Party's recent destruction.

I'm not saying there's an exact similarity between that event and this one (there really isn't), but it goes to show how terribly wrong blind runoff votes can kill democratic processes.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 20 août 2011 - 06:18 .

[Comsky159]

@ Balek-Vriege I think I see your point, and I do agree that unfairness stemmed from a lack of clarity over how this thing was actually going to work. If Bioware had even hinted at a second vote before this late stage then perhaps it could be better justified. The issue is basically they misled the voters. However, I can't really agree that a second vote if announced is necessarily unfair, it's a very similar principle to that underlying in preferential voting systems.

Edit: I see you just inadvertantly acknowledged the statement immediately above. You may be right. I'm still undecided on the validity of the preferential system. However the last Australian elections did seem dodgy. One party beat another, however then two lesser parties formed an alliance and overwhelmed the primary vote. It's probably more that this style of complusory, preference voting is generally not disputed widely over here.

On another note, I wonder do we know if aspects of the FemShep's appearance will be subject to any more of these polls?

Modifié par Comsky159, 20 août 2011 - 06:27 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Comsky159 wrote...

@ Balek-Vriege I think I see your point, and I do agree that unfairness stemmed from a lack of clarity over how this thing was actually going to work. If Bioware had even hinted at a second vote before this late stage then perhaps it could be better justified. The issue is basically they misled the voters. However, I can't really agree that a second vote if announced is necessarily unfair, it's a very similar principle to that underlying in preferential voting systems.

I wonder do we know if aspects of the FemShep's appearance will be subject to any more of these polls?

We will see.  I think what pushed the second vote to happen was actually Gamescon, since it was another chance to repeat the Femshep marketing from Comicon.  Not sure if there's another one coming up though since I don't follow them too much.  If there was to be a third poll, I think it would be on freckles and/or green/blue eyes.

Major Edit:

Comsky159 wrote...

Edit: I see you just inadvertantly acknowledged the statement immediately above. You may be right. I'm still undecided on the validity of the preferential system. However the last Australian elections did seem dodgy. One party beat another, however then two lesser parties formed an alliance and overwhelmed the primary vote. It's probably more that this style of complusory, preference voting is generally not disputed widely over here.

Yeah Coalition Governments seem cagey at first, but they're actually good (and lawful) in Governments since they protect the minority (which can be the majority) on issues. They most likely together formed a majority of seats like they recently did in England and what that weak candidate tried, but failed to do in my Country. Here's where it gets complicated relating to this debate (since I have to in order to keep on topic). Poll 2 was like forming a unintended coalition between all the people who would vote for something else other than Femshep 5. Is it more representative of the community? I think so. It is fair? No, not really in this case. The way it was handled by Bioware makes it seem more like an accidental coup then a formal takeover. It would be like trying to form a Coalition government when it's not legal for a Country to do so. Most voters for the Party that won would be very angry, even though they don't make up 50% +1 of the seats in Government aka the majority  (pro-blonde shep fans).


Ok that's enough political analogies for one night.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 20 août 2011 - 06:50 .

[Balek-Vriege]

double post

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 20 août 2011 - 06:45 .

[Evilatem]

Sojourner83 wrote...

I'd vote for the Jane Shepard and be done with it. And she's already included in Mass Effect 1 & 2!
The beauty contest is really kind of absurd.



Found at this site.

That's been my argument the whole time. Why did we even need this?

Save the default Femshep from ME and ME2
and since everything is about facebook these days
www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Save-the-Default-FemShep-for-ME3/196825517039405

[Balek-Vriege]

Actually, I think there's a twitter quote somewhere which states "Default" Shep from ME1 and ME2 can still be chosen regardless of new high res one.  Also, default Jane Shep from before is just preset 1 with complexion 1 and a slightly different red hair colour (forget which colour option).  So it takes two bar sliders to make original Jane Shepard in cc.


Realistically they can't use her for promotional material since she's made from 2007 graphics.  Low res model=not a good way to market game.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 20 août 2011 - 07:16 .

[Copyright Theft]

Well just touch her up then (not like that you pervs)