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[Levvi]

Evilatem wrote...

Sojourner83 wrote...

I'd vote for the Jane Shepard and be done with it. And she's already included in Mass Effect 1 & 2!
The beauty contest is really kind of absurd.



Found at this site.

That's been my argument the whole time. Why did we even need this?

Save the default Femshep from ME and ME2
and since everything is about facebook these days
www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Save-the-Default-FemShep-for-ME3/196825517039405

I agree with this. At the very least, the original FemShep should have been included. She's a far better choice.

[Gill Kaiser]

Syledir wrote...
In that case, they shouldn't have done it at all.

Imagine this happened in real life. "Sorry Mr. Obama but many supporters gave you their vote out of the fact that you are afro-american. So lets start a second poll. People can choose between Nelson Mandela, Denzel Washington, Barack Obama and Tiger Woods. Since you won the first poll with ease, it shouldn't be a problem to win the second poll aswell. What? No, I'm sure the Clinton and McCain supporters will hold no grudge against you. These are grown people. Surely they wouldn't vote for another candidate simply out of spite." Aha

Original #3, #4 and #6 supporters can't vote for their favourite femshep anymore, but they can vote against the one who beat them during the first poll. #5 supporters have every right to be pissed.

That's not the same. In that case, you would be keeping one thing the same and changing everything else. In this case, the vast majority of the look is the same, and only one thing is being changed (except for red's small differences, which I wouldn't really expect to make that much of a difference as they can barely be seen on the Facebook poll pictures). A more apt comparison would be if you had Obama running against 3 Obama clones, each of whom are more focused on one aspect of his platform. Clinton and McCain supporters would probably hate all of them equally.

[DarthSliver]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

RynJ wrote...

Aww I was really hoping to start the coronation of the King/Queen Troll!

When does this poll end by the way? It's a week long right?

Victor is supposed to be announced at PAX.

And I hope they Announce the winner by just showing the Trailer lol. But I guess that would be wishful thinking.

[Gill Kaiser]

Levvi wrote...
I agree with this. At the very least, the original FemShep should have been included. She's a far better choice.

She is still being included in the game, just not on the Collector's Edition box and the trailer.

[Levvi]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Levvi wrote...
I agree with this. At the very least, the original FemShep should have been included. She's a far better choice.

She is still being included in the game, just not on the Collector's Edition box and the trailer.

I'm aware. I'm saying I would prefer her on the box, not the adolescent girls they gave us. And when I said included, I meant in the voting

Modifié par Levvi, 20 août 2011 - 08:20 .

[Ultramarinus]

Levvi wrote...

Evilatem wrote...

Sojourner83 wrote...

I'd vote for the Jane Shepard and be done with it. And she's already included in Mass Effect 1 & 2!
The beauty contest is really kind of absurd.

Found at this site.

That's been my argument the whole time. Why did we even need this?

Save the default Femshep from ME and ME2
and since everything is about facebook these days
www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Save-the-Default-FemShep-for-ME3/196825517039405

I agree with this. At the very least, the original FemShep should have been included. She's a far better choice.

No offense and I used that Shep as well back then, but even the worst of these new ones (except Rihanna) blows the old one away without even a contest. In fact, I'd like to play the old games over with new Shep if somebody makes a mod for it.

[gbemery]

I can't believe they are catering to the whiners. I remember hearing one of the main complaints about blonde shep was that her hair was too long for combat, and how barbie wouldn't be the right choice....umm yet now they all have the same hair and i don't hear anyone complaining about the hair length now that the whiners got their way....hmm prejudice much?

[JayhartRIC]

The blond Shep is dead last. If blond Shep still had around 40% of the votes, there may have been a fair point.

[Gill Kaiser]

gbemery wrote...

I can't believe they are catering to the whiners. I remember hearing one of the main complaints about blonde shep was that her hair was too long for combat, and how barbie wouldn't be the right choice....umm yet now they all have the same hair and i don't hear anyone complaining about the hair length now that the whiners got their way....hmm prejudice much?

Either the people who were saying that are not the same people who are voting on this poll, or they've swallowed their words and accepted that they're not getting their short hairstyle and they've decided to vote on the hair colour they prefer.

The anti-blonde group were just a vocal minority. The majority of the people calling for a new vote like this were those who liked the hairstyle but would have preferred another colour.

[RynJ]

Blonde supporters really need to get over it. I know it sucks for you, but most voters apparently don't want her to be blonde. It doesn't matter what excuses you give for it, whether it be everyone hates blondes or everyone is just spiting 5 because it beat their choices, that's never going to change.

A lot of people want this Shepard to make a point that "blondes can be badass too". Only stupid people don't believe that, so don't even worry about them. Besides, who's ever spited the majority just to make a point? It's not a smart move.

[Kidd]

gbemery wrote...

I can't believe they are catering to the whiners. I remember hearing one of the main complaints about blonde shep was that her hair was too long for combat, and how barbie wouldn't be the right choice....umm yet now they all have the same hair and i don't hear anyone complaining about the hair length now that the whiners got their way....hmm prejudice much?

More like me and most others have simply accepted we're not getting FemShep3. Now we'll just pick a variant of FemShep5 we like the best. I'd still prefer FemShep3, but she got voted out and I respect that.

[Levvi]

Ultramarinus wrote...

No offense and I used that Shep as well back then, but even the worst of these new ones (except Rihanna) blows the old one away without even a contest. In fact, I'd like to play the old games over with new Shep if somebody makes a mod for it.

I disagree, but I seem to be one of the few that finds the old FemShep beautiful - she just needs some tweaking. My annoyance with the new models were their young appearances. I think they look ridiculous standing next to Sheploo. Are we seriously supposed to believe that woman is in her 30's. C'mon. Giving us a woman that looks 10 years younger than her male counterpart... it's such a cliche.

Modifié par Levvi, 20 août 2011 - 10:18 .

[erine_]

I'm glad that there is a second round of voting, as I didn't like very much blonde Shepard. Just personal preferences

I'm not a big fan of the hairstyle, personaly, because I don't like how long hair looks in game, very unnatural. And because I like to roleplay, a long hair in the battlefield doesn't sound like a good idea

I would like something like this, with bun or ponytail in the back:


but for the moment, I'm not complaining about wining Shepard, she has character and I like it

[Forsythia]

So, where are the highres pics of these FemSheps, on Facebook I can only find the lowres pics.

Modifié par Forsythia, 20 août 2011 - 11:42 .

[lucylips000]

Forsythia wrote...

So, where are the highres pics of these FemSheps, on Facebook I can only find the lowres pics.

I doubt that high-res of these ones are online unless Bioware releases them. We got high-res pictures the last time from people scanning the posters that Bioware handed out when they announced the first contest.

Kinda sucks now for everyone who has #5’s original look poster if Bioware keeps with the results of poll #2.
If I remember right, didn’t Bioware say the others that didn’t win would at least be pre-sets in the game? So what happens to the original blonde hair Shepard #5 that won?

Modifié par lucylips000, 20 août 2011 - 01:04 .

[Kidd]

lucylips000 wrote...

Kinda sucks now for everyone who has #5’s original look poster if Bioware keeps with the results of poll #2.
If I remember right, didn’t Bioware say the others that didn’t win would at least be pre-sets in the game? So what happens to the original blonde hair Shepard #5 that won?

I have a feeling we'll go into the CC, move the slider on the preset tab a single step to the right, barely noticing a motion on the slider as Shep changes looks before yelling "SO.MANY.PRESETS"

^^

[Fata Morgana]

JayhartRIC wrote...

The blond Shep is dead last. If blond Shep still had around 40% of the votes, there may have been a fair point.

It's even worse than that for blonde fans. Both blonde Sheps together are dead last. Thus the arguments about 'splitting the vote' have proven to be moot. 

[Fata Morgana]

gbemery wrote...

I can't believe they are catering to the whiners. I remember hearing one of the main complaints about blonde shep was that her hair was too long for combat, and how barbie wouldn't be the right choice....

Wow, it's really, really interesting that you presented your comments in this way.  Let me break down what you just said:

1) The second vote only happened because of the majority of complaints.
2) The majority of complaints were about hair length.

So if Bioware really 'caved to whiners', then why weren't different hair lengths offerred?  Thank you for proving the point that Bioware is just offering a little more customization on the chosen model and not 'screwing over' anybody or 'throwing out the voting results.'

umm yet now they all have the same hair and i don't hear anyone complaining about the hair length now that the whiners got their way....hmm prejudice much?

Uh, but I didn't get my way. He hair is still long. I still lose. The reason I'm not in here complaining about her hair length is that I realize that I've lost, and that what I like is not something that's shared by the majority. Once the Blonde lovers realize this as well, they'll be OK. 

[Balek-Vriege]

Fata Morgana wrote...

JayhartRIC wrote...

The blond Shep is dead last. If blond Shep still had around 40% of the votes, there may have been a fair point.

It's even worse than that for blonde fans. Both blonde Sheps together are dead last. Thus the arguments about 'splitting the vote' have proven to be moot. 

It's still not just a split vote.  I haven't seen anyone make a case against the fact that the minority votes for different  Femsheps etc., combined with people who liked Femshep 5 best but wanted a new hair colour, makes it impossible for original Femshep 5 to win statistically.  I will quote a bit of myself (an argument which seems to be increasingly ignored for more easily dismissable arguments).  When you really think about it, the original Femshep has to beat the following opposition:

Balek-Vriege wrote...

-People who really like Blonde Femshep as a whole package

vs.

-People who hate blondes and think they're bimbos
-People who don't like femshep face 5 in general and voted for other faces (and are now voting to make her as similar to their choice.
-People who like Femshep 5, but a different hair colour (eats away at votes for original femshep 5)
-People who want something close to default Shep (which is fine, because the new redhead in poll 2 is closest thing yet to Jane)
-The blonde/dirty blonde options.  There is no other variation among black or red choices. (again, eats away votes for blonde femshep by arguably "splitting" it)

That's how a vast majority gets overthrown.  By uniting the minority (which together form a bigger majority than the "real" majority) .  In hindsight, Blonde Shepard may have had very little chance to win poll 2 based off those facts.  Like I have said before, I don't think Bioware really thought this second poll through.

Sure, Original Femshep 5 won big first round, but it's very hard for her to win again even if she has 50%-60% of the vote in poll 1.  Going to repeat myself here:  If the vast majority of people who voted for something else in poll 1 (40%-50%) don't vote for blonde femshep in vote 2 and combined with even 10%-25% of original femshep 5 votes switching to another colour, Blonde Shep will never win (arguably she will be close to last place, like the showing is right now).  In addition to that there is an unintentional split vote in poll 2, which may take off an addition 25-50% people off the original Femshep 5.  To be more  fair there should have been a more ginger option and another variation of dark hair.

Then there's an issue of "voter turnout" and if the same people are paying attention to poll 2 as they were in poll 1, but that point is anyone's guess.

There's also questions why other factors were not included in the poll.  Like someone just posted above there were major complaints about hair length, why wasn't that included if hair colour was?  You may not have cared, but others still (although they seem to "disappeared" in the argument since redhead has been winning... hmmm).  Also, the second place winner was a Black Shepard in poll 1.  I would say they deserve more of a right to have some variation in poll two like a darker skinned/ethnicity of Femshep 5.  Maybe jet black Femshep could have had a darker tone, since redhead gets Freckles and green eyes.

Simply put, this second poll brings up a lot of questions about unfairness, whether you care or not.  Hey I even like Redhead Shep, but I don't think the way the second poll came up is fair at all to the original poll 1.  The difference between the "whining" (hate that word) of pro-blonde Sheps and the anti-blonde Sheps, is that Blonde Femshep 5 fairly "won" the first vote.  Up to each individual if that matters to them or not.

[Xeranx]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Actually, I think there's a twitter quote somewhere which states "Default" Shep from ME1 and ME2 can still be chosen regardless of new high res one.  Also, default Jane Shep from before is just preset 1 with complexion 1 and a slightly different red hair colour (forget which colour option).  So it takes two bar sliders to make original Jane Shepard in cc.


Realistically they can't use her for promotional material since she's made from 2007 graphics.  Low res model=not a good way to market game.

Unless it's different in ME2, there's always a slight change in preset 1.  In ME anytime you decide to customize your own there's a slight change in the way default looks.  Again, I don't know if this is the case in ME2.

[leggywillow]

I can understand people being miffed about the second round of voting.

If I had known there was a possibility of another vote, I would've changed my first vote.  Besides liking her stronger jawline, I liked #5's coloring and thought it worked for her.  If I'd known that coloring could be changed, I woud have changed my vote to #1, who was my second favorite and who I could also picture with a larger variety of hair colors.  Not that it would have made any difference in the end, but I can understand people being unhappy with a surprise second vote, since they may have chosen differently the first time if they'd known.

[1136342t54_]

Balek-Vriege wrote...


It's still not just a split vote.  I haven't seen anyone make a case against the fact that the minority votes for different  Femsheps etc., combined with people who liked Femshep 5 best but wanted a new hair colour, makes it impossible for original Femshep 5 to win statistically.  I will quote a bit of myself (an argument which seems to be increasingly ignored for more easily dismissable arguments).  When you really think about it, the original Femshep has to beat the following opposition:

In a way you are technically agreeing that the majority who liked Fem shep 5 but a different hair color was the majority who voted for Fem shep 5. The poll has proven that simply because Blonde shep is last.

Balek-Vriege wrote...

-People who really like Blonde Femshep as a whole package

vs.

-People who hate blondes and think they're bimbos
-People who don't like femshep face 5 in general and voted for other faces (and are now voting to make her as similar to their choice.
-People who like Femshep 5, but a different hair colour (eats away at votes for original femshep 5)
-People who want something close to default Shep (which is fine, because the new redhead in poll 2 is closest thing yet to Jane)
-The blonde/dirty blonde options.  There is no other variation among black or red choices. (again, eats away votes for blonde femshep by arguably "splitting" it)

That's how a vast majority gets overthrown.  By uniting the minority (which together form a bigger majority than the "real" majority) .  In hindsight, Blonde Shepard may have had very little chance to win poll 2 based off those facts.  Like I have said before, I don't think Bioware really thought this second poll through.

The problem is this should not effect much of the orginal Fem shep vote. The blonde shep should get more votes than it has. It isn't winning because all the minorities are against it. Its losing because most of the people who voted for Fem shep 5 wanted a different hair color. Many of the minority votes are spread out. Even most of the ones who voted for black shep would have likely voted for the black haired shep instead of the red head.

Sure, Original Femshep 5 won big first round, but it's very hard for her to win again even if she has 50%-60% of the vote in poll 1.  Going to repeat myself here:  If the vast majority of people who voted for something else in poll 1 (40%-50%) don't vote for blonde femshep in vote 2 and combined with even 10%-25% of original femshep 5 votes switching to another colour, Blonde Shep will never win (arguably she will be close to last place, like the showing is right now).  In addition to that there is an unintentional split vote in poll 2, which may take off an addition 25-50% people off the original Femshep 5.  To be more  fair there should have been a more ginger option and another variation of dark hair.

She doesn't even have 40% of the vote. It simply proves that most of the Fem shep 5 voters wanted a different hair color period. Bioware was correct in that assumption. If they were a small vocal minority Fem shep 5 either would be very close with red head shep in the votes or would be winning. Many of the other minority votes are spread out over three other sheps.

Then there's an issue of "voter turnout" and if the same people are paying attention to poll 2 as they were in poll 1, but that point is anyone's guess.

There's also questions why other factors were not included in the poll.  Like someone just posted above there were major complaints about hair length, why wasn't that included if hair colour was?  You may not have cared, but others still (although they seem to "disappeared" in the argument since redhead has been winning... hmmm).  Also, the second place winner was a Black Shepard in poll 1.  I would say they deserve more of a right to have some variation in poll two like a darker skinned/ethnicity of Femshep 5.  Maybe jet black Femshep could have had a darker tone, since redhead gets Freckles and green eyes.

Why would they include different hair length when Bioware specifically said that the poll was for people who mainly wanted a different hair color for Fem shep 5 but they voted for her?

The redhead freckles and green eyes can't be seen by many because of the bad quality pics and even the freckles seem to be getting some hate on Facebook by the few who can see them. Most seem to focus on the Red head shep and few even call that shep Ginger shep.

Simply put, this second poll brings up a lot of questions about unfairness, whether you care or not.  Hey I even like Redhead Shep, but I don't think the way the second poll came up is fair at all to the original poll 1.  The difference between the "whining" (hate that word) of pro-blonde Sheps and the anti-blonde Sheps, is that Blonde Femshep 5 fairly "won" the first vote.  Up to each individual if that matters to them or not.

What really mattered was the majority who voted for Fem shep 5 but wanted a different hair color. Bioware assumed they were the majority of that vote and was obviously correct. Was the second poll perfect? No but the purpose remains the same and Bioware was right to do it.

[Xerxes52]

Village Idiot wrote...

That being said, I am hoping that after this vote, this will all be over.  I just want a FemShep trailer at this point and I don't care who is being pictured.

Same here. This just getting way out of hand now.

[Balek-Vriege]

1136342t54 wrote...

In a way you are technically agreeing that the majority who liked Fem shep 5 but a different hair color was the majority who voted for Fem shep 5. The poll has proven that simply because Blonde shep is last.

That's true and I'm not arguing that point.  My point is that yes its more reflective of the community as a whole (like I have mentioned in other posts), but that majority fairly lost in the first poll 1 and by having a poll 2 you disenfranchised many of those who fairly won in the first poll.

1136342t54 wrote...
The problem is this should not effect much of the orginal Fem shep vote. The blonde shep should get more votes than it has. It isn't winning because all the minorities are against it. Its losing because most of the people who voted for Fem shep 5 wanted a different hair color. Many of the minority votes are spread out. Even most of the ones who voted for black shep would have likely voted for the black haired shep instead of the red head.

Of course it does.


A vast amount of people didn't vote for Femshep 5 in the first place, let alone others who did vote for her wanting things a little different.  The people who didn't vote for Femshep 5 are not "banned" from voting in poll 2.  Those people who didn't vote for her fairly "lost" poll 1.  They voted for their Femshep(s) and they didn't win.  Others may have prefered another hair colour who voted for Femshep 5, but they still prefered her enough to vote for her.  They could have simply not voted for Femshep 5 and gone for another option if it bothered them enough.  The people who did vote for her and really, really liked the blond hair and overall look,  did fairly win poll 1.  With poll 2 lets look at the winners and losers:

-Those who really like Femshep 5 with blonde hair, being the option that was offered, won vote and until a couple days ago was assumed/crowned the winner.  They lose big.

-People who wanted another hair colour, but voted for Femshep 5, win since they get their voice heard to tweak her as Bioware intended.

-People who liked other options don't really win, but they can tweak her towards what they want.  Empty win in a way.

-People who really really hate blondes won big.

The only "losers" are people who fairly got what they wanted in Poll 1.

1136342t54 wrote...

She doesn't even have 40% of the vote. It simply proves that most of the Fem shep 5 voters wanted a different hair color period. Bioware was correct in that assumption. If they were a small vocal minority Fem shep 5 either would be very close with red head shep in the votes or would be winning. Many of the other minority votes are spread out over three other sheps.

Blonde Shepard is going to lose in a second poll, even if there weren't as many "I like Femshep 5, but with different hair colour."  The "coalition" for Femshep 5 is broken up by giving those who want to tweak the option and plitting votes with dirty blonde (while no split in voted for black/red), while everyone who didn't vote for Femshep 5 also get to run up other options other than Blonde Shep.  Again I admit, this is more representative of the community as a whole the more polls you do.  However, when the first poll was advertised it was asserted/assumed it was the only poll.  A lot of people would have voted differently if they knew there were going to be run off.  Again unfair to them.

1136342t54 wrote...

Why would they include different hair length when Bioware specifically said that the poll was for people who mainly wanted a different hair color for Fem shep 5 but they voted for her?

The redhead freckles and green eyes can't be seen by many because of the bad quality pics and even the freckles seem to be getting some hate on Facebook by the few who can see them. Most seem to focus on the Red head shep and few even call that shep Ginger shep.

There's another problem, it's not just a vote on hair colour when they add new textures to the face.  That brings up questions why a face that got 5th or 6th place now has influence on 1st place winner.  If it's fair for them to do that, why is there not an option for a different ethnicity since Black Shep got 2nd place (and may even outnumber people who wanted a different hair colour for femshep 5 who originally voted for her).  This wouldn't have been an issue or an argument if they kept it strictly hair colour.  The high res pics not being up is another issue.  They should be there so no one is misled that it's just a hair vote.

1136342t54 wrote...

What really mattered was the majority who voted for Fem shep 5 but wanted a different hair color. Bioware assumed they were the majority of that vote and was obviously correct. Was the second poll perfect? No but the purpose remains the same and Bioware was right to do it.

No it wasn't perfect, but I don't think Bioware was right to do it as well.  I think it  comes down to these questions?

1.  Do you keep the results of Poll 1 in order to keep the integrity of the process (since there was only going to be one poll planned obviously), while somewhat disenfranchising people who wanted to tweak their choice of Femshep 5 (even though they still liked it and voted for it)?

or

2.  Do a second poll to give those who wanted a a different hair colour and those who lost in the first round another chance, at the expense of disenfranchising many who fairly voted for Femshep 5 and won (who did vote very much for Femshep 5 and her look)?

I personally would have picked option 1 if I was Bioware.  The  original poll was intended to be a one timer, it was fair to everyone and Femshep 5 won fair and square.  Poll 2 muddies the waters and betrays many voters from the first poll who fairy won their option.

Edit:

leggywillow wrote...

I can understand people being miffed about the second round of voting.

If I had known there was a possibility of another vote, I would've changed my first vote.  Besides liking her stronger jawline, I liked #5's coloring and thought it worked for her.  If I'd known that coloring could be changed, I woud have changed my vote to #1, who was my second favorite and who I could also picture with a larger variety of hair colors.  Not that it would have made any difference in the end, but I can understand people being unhappy with a surprise second vote, since they may have chosen differently the first time if they'd known.

I know I would have gone for Femshep 6 or 4 in that case, even though I like Redhead Shep in round 2.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 20 août 2011 - 07:33 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

I assume Red is still winning then?