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[didymos1120]

Volus Warlord wrote...

This vaguely reminds me of Rebecca Black.

It’s Friday, Friday

Gotta get Reaped on Friday

Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the harvest, harvest

Friday, Friday

Gettin’ Reaped on Friday

Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the harvest

[Yakko77]

Glad to see redhead femshep winning!!!

[SalsaDMA]

didymos1120 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...


I really want to be excited for ME3 and was so the first time I saw the first trailer. But their marketing and actions just keeps making me facepalm and wonder why I'm even bothering hoping for the game.

Dude, their marketing has never been particularly great, and hasn't served as a particularly good indicator of the quality (or lack thereof) of the final products.  Don't see why you should suddenly decide to lend it such credence now, for this one game.

I like to think that it shows about the integrity of the people I am buying from.

When you buy something, you are helping support those people. So it comes down to what kind of people you want to support, because there are games enough in the world (and being produced enough of) that 'missing out' on any specific product isn't really that big a loss as a consumer. I stopped buying Blizzard products and WoTC products because I got fed up by the things these companies showed about themselves and how they wanted to earn money.

DA2 was a shattering step from Bioware in this regard for me, and with the marketing and actions in regards to ME3 they ARE slowly starting to wander near that area where I start wondering about supporting them as well as their integrity seems to be dropping by the day.

[LPPrince]

I will quote someone from the Something Awful forums on their Deus Ex Human Revolution section.

Do note this is someone else from another forum(I lurk there only for DXHR for now).

Basically, this person has never played a Deus Ex game before and wondered if he/she should get it. Someone described the game a little, and then this person said the following.

Great Beer wrote...

So its cyberpunk Mass Effect with better music and a none of Biowares creepy nerd-pandering? Sold.

And I saw that and felt bad. Because I hope thats not how Bioware comes off to others outside of the BSN circle. Although I'm willing to bet there's some of us here who believe that.

I mean, Bioware does things to make us happy. But sometimes they've got to just stick with what they've got. While I believe they should've stuck with the blonde after poll #1, I have to ask the question-

Is Bioware pandering to the fans by making another poll?

BSN, you decide. I'm going to leave my opinion out of it because I'm not sure how to respond to that quote.

Modifié par LPPrince, 21 août 2011 - 11:45 .

[GodWood]

LPPrince wrote...
Is Bioware pandering to the fans by making another poll?

They were pandering with the first poll.

The only reason this Femshep thing is happening is because a bunch of fans kept b!tching about not seeing Femshep in marketing.

Modifié par GodWood, 21 août 2011 - 11:53 .

[LPPrince]

GodWood wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Is Bioware pandering to the fans by making another poll?

They were pandering with the first poll.

The only reason this Femshep thing is happening is because a bunch of fans kept b!tching about not seeing Femshep in marketing.

Hmm. Have they pandered elsewhere? Basically, I want you to continue. Elaborate and extend, if you will.

I'm interested in reading other's opinions at length.

[LPPrince]

AwesomeName wrote...

This has probably been talked about already, but did Gamble basically confirm that we should be able to re-create any of the Femsheps we voted for (as in, recreate those sheps, with the high-res textures respective to each with the right head mesh, etc.)? Because that doesn't sound right. I don't think he understood the question.

Someone on twitter said you can't change the high res model and that you'll need to make a custom Shep if you want a different hair color/style than the one that makes it on the cover and trailer, so probably not.

[RynJ]

Pandering to fans makes fans like the game more. It's a very good marketing technique. You actually don't like having some input on how a game turns out? The only time anyone doesn't like choice is when the choice chosen is not theirs, I've found.
 
Me, I'm all for asking the opinion of the fans. The things we change are relatively small anyway, it's not like Bioware took a poll about "How Should Mass Effect End?" or "Should Garrus Die?".

Bottom line: I think everyone is overreacting to this poll.

Modifié par RynJ, 21 août 2011 - 12:53 .

[Balek-Vriege]

RynJ wrote...

Pandering to fans makes fans like the game more. It's a very good marketing technique. You actually don't like having some input on how a game turns out? The only time anyone doesn't like choice is when the choice chosen is not theirs, I've found.
 
Me, I'm all for asking the opinion of the fans. The things we change are relatively small anyway, it's not like Bioware took a poll about "How Should Mass Effect End?" or "Should Garrus Die?".

Bottom line: I think everyone is overreacting to this poll.

I partially agree, community involvement is a good thing and very good for marketing.  However, they have to be careful "how" they go about it as to not step on anyones toes unfairly in the process.  By having the second poll Bioware unintentionally disenfranchised many original votes for the winner. They did this for a "good" reason so people who voted for Femshep 5, but didn't like the hair colour, could have another say and by doing so allowed people who lost in the first round to also influence the final result (a problem I went into detail a couple pages back, not going to repeat again since its too much writing).


In the end, Red Femshep will look 90% the same as Blonde Femshep (if there's no more polls), so it's partially a debate about very minor changes.  The debate is also about a compromised voting process (for reasons I and others explained over the last few pages, not going to repeat them) and unnecessarily disappointing/hurting some fans by making their voices feel worthless with the second poll overriding their prefered choice that won fair and square.  This all could have been avoided if they stuck with one poll, or gave all Fans notice that more may come after.

I don't think people are overreacting in the end.  You have to stick up for yourself in life when you feel genuinely wronged or given the short end of a stick.  The same way if you get a cold, burnt or shoddy dinner at a restaurant.  You're paying money for that product and shouldn't just eat it because "you don't want to make a scene."  In the grand scheme of things it's just food, but that's not the point.

With that we also have to pick or battles too.  That's why i'm personally not attacking Red Shep.  Save for one or two minor things (would like her redhair to be more ginger and the green eyes less bold), I really like her look.  My issue is how this all went down and how it makes a simple process that was fair and good for marketing, one that wasn't with the second poll.

[LPPrince]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

RynJ wrote...

Pandering to fans makes fans like the game more. It's a very good marketing technique. You actually don't like having some input on how a game turns out? The only time anyone doesn't like choice is when the choice chosen is not theirs, I've found.
 
Me, I'm all for asking the opinion of the fans. The things we change are relatively small anyway, it's not like Bioware took a poll about "How Should Mass Effect End?" or "Should Garrus Die?".

Bottom line: I think everyone is overreacting to this poll.

I partially agree, community involvement is a good thing and very good for marketing.  However, they have to be careful "how" they go about it as to not step on anyones toes unfairly in the process.  By having the second poll Bioware unintentionally disenfranchised many original votes for the winner. They did this for a "good" reason so people who voted for Femshep 5, but didn't like the hair colour, could have another say and by doing so allowed people who lost in the first round to also influence the final result (a problem I went into detail a couple pages back, not going to repeat again since its too much writing).


In the end, Red Femshep will look 90% the same as Blonde Femshep (if there's no more polls), so it's partially a debate about very minor changes.  The debate is also about a compromised voting process (for reasons I and others explained over the last few pages, not going to repeat them) and unnecessarily disappointing/hurting some fans by making their voices feel worthless with the second poll overriding their prefered choice that won fair and square.  This all could have been avoided if they stuck with one poll, or gave all Fans notice that more may come after.

I don't think people are overreacting in the end.  You have to stick up for yourself in life when you feel genuinely wronged or given the short end of a stick.  The same way if you get a cold, burnt or shoddy dinner at a restaurant.  You're paying money for that product and shouldn't just eat it because "you don't want to make a scene."  In the grand scheme of things it's just food, but that's not the point.

With that we also have to pick or battles too.  That's why i'm personally not attacking Red Shep.  Save for one or two minor things (would like her redhair to be more ginger and the green eyes less bold), I really like her look.  My issue is how this all went down and how it makes a simple process that was fair and good for marketing, one that wasn't with the second poll.

Wonderful words.

[Fata Morgana]

LPPrince wrote...

I will quote someone from the Something Awful forums on their Deus Ex Human Revolution section.

Do note this is someone else from another forum(I lurk there only for DXHR for now).

Basically, this person has never played a Deus Ex game before and wondered if he/she should get it. Someone described the game a little, and then this person said the following.

Great Beer wrote...

So its cyberpunk Mass Effect with better music and a none of Biowares creepy nerd-pandering? Sold.

And I saw that and felt bad. Because I hope thats not how Bioware comes off to others outside of the BSN circle. Although I'm willing to bet there's some of us here who believe that.

I mean, Bioware does things to make us happy. But sometimes they've got to just stick with what they've got. While I believe they should've stuck with the blonde after poll #1, I have to ask the question-

Is Bioware pandering to the fans by making another poll?

BSN, you decide. I'm going to leave my opinion out of it because I'm not sure how to respond to that quote.

Ha ha, I'm pretty sure when someone says something like that, they're talking about things like making Garrus and Tali into love interests.  That's the 'creepy' in 'creepy nerd pandering'. 

Not that I care if the rest of the game community thinks that's creepy, because damn, Garrus is a BOSS.  Others may have no interest in bedding a metal-skinned dinosaur sniper, but I do. 

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 21 août 2011 - 04:45 .

[Ashathor]

RynJ wrote...
 
Me, I'm all for asking the opinion of the fans. The things we change are relatively small anyway, it's not like Bioware took a poll about "How Should Mass Effect End?" or "Should Garrus Die?".

Didn't GoW do a poll like that? I think it was  "Should Clay Carmine die in GoW 3?" or something like that. I don't play GoW or follow it but I could've sworn I read that somewheres.

Oh and as for the quote just ignore it. You'll have this in basically every game whether it's a great game or it sucks. Some people may not like a certain game and will bash it in any way they can while others just admit they don't like it and leave it at that. It's impossible to please every person, we all have different opinions on things and like/dislike certain things more or less. This guy obivously doesn't like ME apparently and that's his own opinion. We shouldn't freak out every time there is a thread on another gaming forum with one guy saying they don't like a certain game that you do.

[JamieCOTC]

GodWood wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Is Bioware pandering to the fans by making another poll?

They were pandering with the first poll.

The only reason this Femshep thing is happening is because a bunch of fans kept b!tching about not seeing Femshep in marketing.

Yes and no.  While femShep fans have wanted to see her in marketing for some time, that’s not how this poll came about.  It began when David Silverman asked what fans wanted to see in Mass Effect marketing via Twitter.  The next day he replied, “Woke up to 100s of "@dsilvermanea release #FemShep trailer.”  Initially, the plan was to have a femshep trailer competition, but somehow that morphed into an official BW trailer.  After several of the fans, including myself, shared tweets w/ Mr. Silverman, it became apparent that he didn’t have a clue that this was such a huge deal to some players and was “blown away” by the support.  So, yes, while we have asked for something like this for a long time, it wasn’t BW throwing us a bone to shut us up.  As for the poll itself, that was all BW.  We just wanted a trailer and figured they would just spruce up Jane a bit and throw it out there.  Little did we know it would turn into all this.  One thing is for sure.  We can’t complain that she’s no longer part of marketing, even if the bulk of it was more of a side effect from the polls than the planned campaign.

I guess the old saying is true.  Be careful what you wish for.  You just might get it. 

[SandyWB]

I'm really surprised so many people voted for the redhead FemShep. I thought the black/brunette one would win for sure. I voted for the brunette, but I think red works well too. It's also a nice nod back to the 'default' Jane Shepard from ME1, who I believe was a redhead.

[Inspectre]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Ha ha, I'm pretty sure when someone says something like that, they're talking about things like making Garrus and Tali into love interests.  That's the 'creepy' in 'creepy nerd pandering'.

*cough* Asari? *cough**cough*

[gamer_girl]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

RynJ wrote...

Pandering to fans makes fans like the game more. It's a very good marketing technique. You actually don't like having some input on how a game turns out? The only time anyone doesn't like choice is when the choice chosen is not theirs, I've found.
 
Me, I'm all for asking the opinion of the fans. The things we change are relatively small anyway, it's not like Bioware took a poll about "How Should Mass Effect End?" or "Should Garrus Die?".

Bottom line: I think everyone is overreacting to this poll.

I partially agree, community involvement is a good thing and very good for marketing.  However, they have to be careful "how" they go about it as to not step on anyones toes unfairly in the process.  By having the second poll Bioware unintentionally disenfranchised many original votes for the winner. They did this for a "good" reason so people who voted for Femshep 5, but didn't like the hair colour, could have another say and by doing so allowed people who lost in the first round to also influence the final result (a problem I went into detail a couple pages back, not going to repeat again since its too much writing).


In the end, Red Femshep will look 90% the same as Blonde Femshep (if there's no more polls), so it's partially a debate about very minor changes.  The debate is also about a compromised voting process (for reasons I and others explained over the last few pages, not going to repeat them) and unnecessarily disappointing/hurting some fans by making their voices feel worthless with the second poll overriding their prefered choice that won fair and square.  This all could have been avoided if they stuck with one poll, or gave all Fans notice that more may come after.

I don't think people are overreacting in the end.  You have to stick up for yourself in life when you feel genuinely wronged or given the short end of a stick.  The same way if you get a cold, burnt or shoddy dinner at a restaurant.  You're paying money for that product and shouldn't just eat it because "you don't want to make a scene."  In the grand scheme of things it's just food, but that's not the point.

With that we also have to pick or battles too.  That's why i'm personally not attacking Red Shep.  Save for one or two minor things (would like her redhair to be more ginger and the green eyes less bold), I really like her look.  My issue is how this all went down and how it makes a simple process that was fair and good for marketing, one that wasn't with the second poll.

But they aren't stepping on toes. All they're doing is giving a choice of hair colour now. Is that really so bad? And that restaurant analogy is a terrible one. For how much the appearance of default fem Shep matters, it's more like complaining about the colour of the salt packets that were on the table you're eating at rather than the meal itself. The game is still much much more important than what colour fem Shep's hair is. I mean, get real. Nobody is complaining about the game quality AKA the food being cold or underseasoned or something else. People are complaining about something incredibly minor. And that's part of what is so absolutely ludicrous about this uproar. Instead of appreciating the fact that BioWare even bothered to give fans a choice, people are insessantly complaining about something that BioWare needn't be scrutinized for and for a ridiculous reason too - just because the majority got what they wanted and your choice wasn't the one that won doesn't mean you should just instantly resort to the excuse that the vote was flawed. Nobody has proof that it wasn't the majority of the people that voted for blondie that said it was because of the hairstyle. So saying it probably didn't happen is stupid. I'm pretty sure that there had to be enough people saying it was about the hairstyle to constitute a revote. If there was only a small number of people with that opinion, BioWare certainly wouldn't have gone through the trouble to make another poll. And according to the numbers, a revote was a good idea considering blondie isn't getting the majority vote, correct? People just need to calm the crap down and realize not everything can go their way. That's how democracy works. Majority rules, not a very wrongly dissatisfied minority.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 21 août 2011 - 08:42 .

[Balek-Vriege]

gamer_girl wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

RynJ wrote...

Pandering to fans makes fans like the game more. It's a very good marketing technique. You actually don't like having some input on how a game turns out? The only time anyone doesn't like choice is when the choice chosen is not theirs, I've found.
 
Me, I'm all for asking the opinion of the fans. The things we change are relatively small anyway, it's not like Bioware took a poll about "How Should Mass Effect End?" or "Should Garrus Die?".

Bottom line: I think everyone is overreacting to this poll.

I partially agree, community involvement is a good thing and very good for marketing.  However, they have to be careful "how" they go about it as to not step on anyones toes unfairly in the process.  By having the second poll Bioware unintentionally disenfranchised many original votes for the winner. They did this for a "good" reason so people who voted for Femshep 5, but didn't like the hair colour, could have another say and by doing so allowed people who lost in the first round to also influence the final result (a problem I went into detail a couple pages back, not going to repeat again since its too much writing).


In the end, Red Femshep will look 90% the same as Blonde Femshep (if there's no more polls), so it's partially a debate about very minor changes.  The debate is also about a compromised voting process (for reasons I and others explained over the last few pages, not going to repeat them) and unnecessarily disappointing/hurting some fans by making their voices feel worthless with the second poll overriding their prefered choice that won fair and square.  This all could have been avoided if they stuck with one poll, or gave all Fans notice that more may come after.

I don't think people are overreacting in the end.  You have to stick up for yourself in life when you feel genuinely wronged or given the short end of a stick.  The same way if you get a cold, burnt or shoddy dinner at a restaurant.  You're paying money for that product and shouldn't just eat it because "you don't want to make a scene."  In the grand scheme of things it's just food, but that's not the point.

With that we also have to pick or battles too.  That's why i'm personally not attacking Red Shep.  Save for one or two minor things (would like her redhair to be more ginger and the green eyes less bold), I really like her look.  My issue is how this all went down and how it makes a simple process that was fair and good for marketing, one that wasn't with the second poll.

But they aren't stepping on toes. All they're doing is giving a choice of hair colour now. Is that really so bad? And that restaurant analogy is a terrible one. For how much the appearance of default fem Shep matters, it's more like complaining about the colour of the salt packets that were on the table you're eating at rather than the meal itself. The game is still much much more important than what colour fem Shep's hair is. I mean, get real. Nobody is complaining about the game quality AKA the food being cold or underseasoned or something else. People are complaining about something incredibly minor. And that's part of what is so absolutely ludicrous about this uproar. Instead of appreciating the fact that BioWare even bothered to give fans a choice, people are insessantly complaining about something that BioWare needn't be scrutinized for and for a ridiculous reason to - just because the majority got what they wanted and your choice wasn't the one that won doesn't mean you should just instantly resort to the excuse that the vote was flawed.

If it's not a big deal, why are you so upset?  If it was such a little thing the hair colour, what's the point of the second poll anyways?  Who said no one can be upset with a martketing process and can only be upset with game details?  Why can't Bioware be scrutinized and is it really ridiculous what's being debated?  Also didn't the Blonde Shepard win originally?  I thought that was pretty clear from the first poll I must have been imagining things.


I thought I would ask those questions, since you jumped to a lot of conclusions there without any real points backing them up but personal feelings, to the point the very things you mentioned about complainers could have been said about those who opposed Femshep 5 or wanted a different hair colour in poll 1.  The difference between the two is that the original people scrutinizing Bioware and others, lost fairly in a poll designed to be a one timer.  The people who voted for Femshep 5 because she was a blonde, fairly won their option in the vote, got what they wanted, then had it taken away by a second poll obviously not planned from the beginning.

You seem to not want to acknowledge that there is another debate here other than "I did/didn't get what I want."  Theres also:  "Was this second poll fair to the people who voted/won their choice in the first one?" and  "Could Bioware have done a better job?"  People do get hurt or disappointed when they feel they got the short end of the stick and their feelings are  justified on many levels.  Just because it's insignificant to you (which it obviously isn't), doesn't mean it is to everyone else.

I really do believe they stepped on peoples toes and disenfranchised a segment of the voting block that originally voted.  I go over it fairly well on my previous posts over the last three pages.  If you want to say it's just a ridiculous "excuse," make your case why my reasoning is flawed and how no one got the short end of the stick.

[Fata Morgana]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

"Was this second poll fair to the people who voted/won their choice in the first one?" and  "Could Bioware have done a better job?" 

My feeling is, that it would be literally impossible to make a poll in which there wasn't someone who felt it was 'unfair', nor could you ever have a poll in which Bioware couldn't have done better.

Maybe the first poll should have had 100 choices so that every possibility was covered. But that's not really practical, and would have appealed to only the most hardcore of fans. 

The votes they did weren't perfect.  That doesn't mean that they weren't fair, or as fair as a facebook poll about choosing your favorite action Barbie can be (and I use that term with affection, not as an insult). 

[gamer_girl]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

If it's not a big deal, why are you so upset?  If it was such a little thing the hair colour, what's the point of the second poll anyways?  Who said no one can be upset with a martketing process and can only be upset with game details?  Why can't Bioware be scrutinized and is it really ridiculous what's being debated?  Also didn't the Blonde Shepard win originally?  I thought that was pretty clear from the first poll I must have been imagining things.

Clearly you didn't understand the context of my being upset, nor do you understand the way marketing works. I'm upset by people being insolent towards something that was intended to be an act of generosity. Something you and others clearly don't get. The only reason people can have to complain about the second poll is that the hair colour they like isn't winning because let's face it, they're exactly the same aside from that detail. And correct me if I'm wrong, but blonde Shep is still an option, no? So what isn't fair about that? The majority made their opinion clear that they only voted for blondie the first time because of the hairstyle, if you can't acknowldge that, that's your own problem, not mine or BW's for that matter.

The difference between the two is that the original people scrutinizing Bioware and others, lost fairly in a poll designed to be a one timer.  The people who voted for Femshep 5 because she was a blonde, fairly won their option in the vote, got what they wanted, then had it taken away by a second poll obviously not planned from the beginning.

If they had truly "won", blonde Shep would be winning right now. It's clear that the other people that voted for her did in fact base it upon something other than hair colour. Simple statistics right there.

You seem to not want to acknowledge that there is another debate here other than "I did/didn't get what I want."  Theres also:  "Was this second poll fair to the people who voted/won their choice in the first one?" and  "Could Bioware have done a better job?"  People do get hurt or disappointed when they feel they got the short end of the stick and their feelings are  justified on many levels.  Just because it's insignificant to you (which it obviously isn't), doesn't mean it is to everyone else.

I'm not saying it isn't right to care and be vocal. I'm just saying it's ridiculous to deliberately find a shoddy reason to complain just because your favourite didn't win. Do you see any of the other options from the first round as options in the second one? No, the only one still present is blonde Shep, and if the majority that voted for her in the first poll decided on a different hair colour (because clearly they liked the hairstyle which was the only reason the second poll happened in the first place), that's their choice, it isn't suddenly unfair just because those majority complaints actually existed and the majority is getting what they want. If the majority didn't get what they want, explain to me how the many voters who picked blondie last time are going with a different colour hm?

I really do believe they stepped on peoples toes and disenfranchised a segment of the voting block that originally voted.  I go over it fairly well on my previous posts over the last three pages.  If you want to say it's just a ridiculous "excuse," make your case why my reasoning is flawed and how no one got the short end of the stick.

I'm just going to address that last part cause it's really the only point that matters. Your reasoning as to why it isn't fair is flawed because the majority of voters got what they wanted in the end. I don't know why this isn't making sense to you. Blonde Shep won by an absolute landslide in the first vote and now she isn't in the second. Why? Because clearly people weren't hung up on hair colour as much as a different feature in that Shep. Perhaps it was hairstyle. And now every Shep in the poll looks exactly the same aside from hair colour so what's so unfair about that? And if you want to know why the second poll was made to begin with, well it's clearly because the majority of blondie voters wanted a different hair colour. That's been obvious from the beginning. To the point about nobody getting the short end of the stick, well that just never happens in voting. Somebody is always left dissatisfied, but I'll tell you what: The only people who should be dissatisfied are the minority (AKA the people that lost). If it ends up that the majority (AKA the winner) is dissappointed then clearly the poll did something very wrong. That's why the second poll was made. That's how democracy works.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 21 août 2011 - 09:29 .

[Balek-Vriege]

gamer_girl wrote...

Nobody has proof that it wasn't the majority of the people that voted for blondie that said it was because of the hairstyle. So saying it probably didn't happen is stupid. I'm pretty sure that there had to be enough people saying it was about the hairstyle to constitute a revote. If there was only a small number of people with that opinion, BioWare certainly wouldn't have gone through the trouble to make another poll. And according to the numbers, a revote was a good idea considering blondie isn't getting the majority vote, correct? People just need to calm the crap down and realize not everything can go their way. That's how democracy works. Majority rules, not a very wrongly dissatisfied minority.

You're missing the point.  In my opinion, there probably is a 30%-60% of voters who preferred a different hair colour who voted for Femshep 5 and again, you're saying the majority rules and people need to deal with it, but the majority ruled in the first vote and got the option they wanted.  Was it 100% perfect for everyone? no.  However, it was fair, straightforward and the people who voted for it obviously didn't have enough problems with Femshep 5 to not vote for her.  If there was and there was a huge majority who strongly didn't like her hair colour, Femshep 5 would have lost the first poll.

To sum up my earlier posts without rehashing everything pointlessly.  The second poll has a major flaw in by trying to give Femshep 5 voters a choice of hair colour, they empowered the people who didn't vote for Femshep 5 to get something other than blonde hair (combining the minority votes into a majority block if you will). There's almost no way blonde shep could win again statistically in that case, regardless of a majority/minority of Femshep 5 people wanting a blonde Shep or a different hair colour.

It would have been fine if everyone knew from the start that Poll 1 was not the final poll (again, its pretty obvious the intention was originally one poll).  However, there was no notice of a second poll (which could have changed a lot of votes in poll 1 I might add).

Fata Morgana wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

"Was this second poll fair to the people who voted/won their choice in the first one?" and  "Could Bioware have done a better job?" 

My feeling is, that it would be literally impossible to make a poll in which there wasn't someone who felt it was 'unfair', nor could you ever have a poll in which Bioware couldn't have done better.

Maybe the first poll should have had 100 choices so that every possibility was covered. But that's not really practical, and would have appealed to only the most hardcore of fans. 

The votes they did weren't perfect.  That doesn't mean that they weren't fair, or as fair as a facebook poll about choosing your favorite action Barbie can be (and I use that term with affection, not as an insult). 

That would have been the best way to do it maybe.  Unfortunately there would probably be complaints like: "My Shepard was at the bottom of the list and wasn't seen by most people!"

I think the first vote was fair in the parameters which were given/intended.  Bioware could have stuck to it and the only complaints they would have had were "Facebook sucks" and "I didn't get 100% what I wanted."  Now they arguably have to deal with those arguments in addition to disenfrachised many from the original poll.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

[RynJ]

Alright, I have to say.

Is blonde FemShep winning? No.

What does that mean? That the majority doesn't want her.

Does that mean that Bioware had the right idea by doing another poll about hair color? Yes

Why? Because the fans prefer a different color apparently.

Is it unfair to those who voted blonde in the first poll? No because the option is still there, if you want it vote for it. It really is that simple.

Are a lot of blonde supporters sore losers? Yes yes they are

Are some people bad winners? Of course, but that doesn't change the facts

Are these points debatable? I don't think so. The majority not wanting blonde Shep is cold hard fact. How do you counter cold hard fact?

[gamer_girl]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

You're missing the point.  In my opinion, there probably is a 30%-60% of voters who preferred a different hair colour who voted for Femshep 5

How do you know this? It could have very well been more than that. Regardless you saw how much blonde Shep won by in the initial poll, had the percentage of people who held that opinion been that low, blonde Shep would still be winning by a lot.

and again, you're saying the majority rules and people need to deal with it, but the majority ruled in the first vote and got the option they wanted.

Clearly they didn't get what they wanted or the second poll wouldn't have occurred in the first place.

Was it 100% perfect for everyone? no.  However, it was fair, straightforward and the people who voted for it obviously didn't have enough problems with Femshep 5 to not vote for her.  If there was and there was a huge majority who strongly didn't like her hair colour, Femshep 5 would have lost the first poll.

The only reason they didn't vote for the other ones is because hairstyle mattered more to them than colour, but colour was still a factor. You forget those other Sheps in poll 2 that have a different colour but same style weren't an option at the time. Had they been, blonde Shep wouldn have lost terribly.

To sum up my earlier posts without rehashing everything pointlessly.  The second poll has a major flaw in by trying to give Femshep 5 voters a choice of hair colour, they empowered the people who didn't vote for Femshep 5 to get something other than blonde hair

Why isn't that fair? The first poll was scrapped, so every voter should be allowed to partake in the second. Had there not been such a discrepancy with the first poll everything would have been fine. You can't exclude people from the second poll just because blondie now doesn't have as big of a chance. That's ridiculous and incredibly biased.

(combining the minority votes into a majority block if you will). There's almost no way blonde shep could win again statistically in that case, regardless of a majority/minority of Femshep 5 people wanting a blonde Shep or a different hair colour.

Read above ^

The majority is clearly getting what they want. Just because blonde Shep won the first doesn't mean the other options should be given a handicap. Had the other Sheps been an option in the first place, blondie would've lost miserably.

[gamer_girl]

RynJ wrote...

Alright, I have to say.

Is blonde FemShep winning? No.

What does that mean? That the majority doesn't want her.

Does that mean that Bioware had the right idea by doing another poll about hair color? Yes

Why? Because the fans prefer a different color apparently.

Is it unfair to those who voted blonde in the first poll? No because the option is still there, if you want it vote for it. It really is that simple.

Are a lot of blonde supporters sore losers? Yes yes they are

Are some people bad winners? Of course, but that doesn't change the facts

Are these points debatable? I don't think so. The majority not wanting blonde Shep is cold hard fact. How do you counter cold hard fact?

Exactly. Summed up in very few words. I'm impressed.

I thought I should bold that very crucial point.

Balek-Vriege wrote...

disenfrachised many from the original poll.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

Hmm quite curious how you see giving every single person from the original poll a chance to vote on a second poll as disenfranchisement, but you see only giving blonde Shep voters the chance as completely just.

I'm beginning to question your understanding of the word...

Modifié par gamer_girl, 21 août 2011 - 10:02 .