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[Leonia]

Fata Morgana wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

This drama is why we can't have nice things

QFT.

Indeed. When is the voting concluded so we can be done with this business, once and for all? How much you want to bet another round of voting starts up with PAX this weekend..

[JGDD]

[quote]charmingcharlie wrote...

A much as I am loathe to come back into this topic I feel I should point something out here.[/quote]

The first thousand rants just never sank in for us.

[quote]Those that are saying "you can't see the differences" are kinda missing something here.[/quote]

Bingo. They don't see a difference.

[quote]For a starters I can see the difference I can clearly see that Red haired femshep does NOT have a mole (yes that would affect votes).[/quote]

That's your opinion. See above, the rest didn't notice.

[quote]So lets play this through shall we, I think we are all in agreement that Femshep 5 a long haired, pale skinned, blue eyed, mole ridden FemShep WON the first vote right ?[/quote]

Indeed. The first vote.

[quote]There is no question there, the only question was over "hair colour" right ?[/quote]

You're starting to catch on.

[quote]So we have a second vote to determine hair colour ONLY using the winner of poll 1.[/quote]

This is getting redundant after the last two questions, but yes.

[quote]Now Bioware has given red haired femshep a unique look, one we DID NOT VOTE FOR.[/quote]

Thank goodness for options.

[quote]So lets say for arguements sake that the differences cannot be seen.[/quote]

Didn't we establish this earlier?

[quote]That means those that are voting for the red haired femshep are voting for FemShep 5 + red hair are they not ?[/quote]

*bumps skipping needle*

[quote]What this means if/when red haired femshep wins is this.  The winning femshep was a long haired, blue eyed, mole ridden, pale faced femshep with red hair.  What we will get is a long haired, GREEN EYED, FRECKLE ridden, pale faced femshep with red hair.[/quote]

Finally you understand there is a second vote.

[quote]Now how the hell can anyone say this is a complete and fair vote when what we get is not what we voted for ?  It seems to me that people voted femshep 5 + redhair but that isn't what they are going to get.  They are going to get Femshep 2 (which came second to last) and redhair.
[/quote]

What gives you the right to assume Bioware has to be fair about this? It's their IP and they can do whatever they want with it. That they allowed fans to particpate at all should be enough. But it isn't because people like you assume you are entitled to something beyond what is already given.

Frankly, your obsession with this is disturbing. If it bothers you that much simply do not buy the game. That will show them.

[Saber Wolf]

Arkitekt wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

A much as I am loathe to come back into this topic I feel I should point something out here.  Those that are saying "you can't see the differences" are kinda missing something here.  For a starters I can see the difference I can clearly see that Red haired femshep does NOT have a mole (yes that would affect votes).

OMG! OH MY GOOOD!

She has a MOLE! A MOLE!

It's not a mole. It's a beuty mark.

[Chewin]

Datas_12 wrote...
It's not a mole. It's a beuty mark.

It's a mole

[Saber Wolf]

Chewin3 wrote...

Datas_12 wrote...
It's not a mole. It's a beuty mark.

It's a mole

Damn.<_<

[charmingcharlie]

Arkitekt wrote... Usually red haired people come with freckles. Perhaps you never noticed it.

It doesn't matter that is NOT what we voted for, there was a freckled face femshep in poll 1 and she came second to last.  The winner was Femshep 5 and this poll was just about hair colour.  Therefore it is fair to say that the winner would be femshep 5 with redhair that is what we voted for.

Arkitekt wrote...
The horror! The HORROR!  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

This is getting hilarious!

No what is getting hilarious is those that think this second poll was "proper" are failing to come up with any arguments and just trying to belittle what I say.

Arkitekt wrote...

PS: and please, to say we ended up with shepard #2 is silly:

http://images.wikia....ard_designs.png

Please note it isn't if you look here :-

http://na.llnet.biow...-femshep2-p.jpg

You will see femshep 2 (second to last) has green eyes and freckles and hardly anyone voted for her. So why were her features included in poll 2 ?

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 23 août 2011 - 05:20 .

[Fata Morgana]

charmingcharlie wrote...
Please note it isn't if you look here :-

http://na.llnet.biow...-femshep2-p.jpg

You will see femshep 2 (second to last) has green eyes and freckles and hardly anyone voted for her. So why were her features included in poll 2 ?

It's almost as if people are only voting on hair style and color!

[nranola]

leonia42 wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

This drama is why we can't have nice things

QFT.

Indeed. When is the voting concluded so we can be done with this business, once and for all? How much you want to bet another round of voting starts up with PAX this weekend..

I read somewhere that the final FemShep model will be showcased at PAX, so I doubt it.

But yes, agreed to the above.

[Leonia]

nranola wrote...

I read somewhere that the final FemShep model will be showcased at PAX, so I doubt it.

But yes, agreed to the above.

I sincerely hope so, after seeing how "fair" this last vote was I'm simply ready to see a trailer with any FemShep in it, even if it's one nobody voted for.

[charmingcharlie]

Fata Morgana wrote...
It's almost as if people are only voting on hair style and color!

Yes and the hairstyle was determined in poll 1 along with the look of femshep which was No 5 she was the clear winner.  Now with poll 2 which is about hair colour people are voting for red hair.  So unless I am missing something the winner should look like Femshep 5 with red hair right ?   After all that is what we voted for wasn't it ?

[Fata Morgana]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...
It's almost as if people are only voting on hair style and color!

Yes and the hairstyle was determined in poll 1 along with the look of femshep which was No 5 she was the clear winner.  Now with poll 2 which is about hair colour people are voting for red hair.  So unless I am missing something the winner should look like Femshep 5 with red hair right ?   After all that is what we voted for wasn't it ?

You are missing something.

What you're missing is that no one but you cares.  Because it's irrelevant. Supposing in the final trailer, thanks to your comments, Bioware decides to make red-haired shep blue-eyed with a mole. I assure you, no one will care or notice. Except the people, like you, who whine for the sake of whining.   And those people deserve to be unhappy, because there's no amount of concessions that will make them happy.

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 23 août 2011 - 05:26 .

[Leonia]

Honestly, I am one of the few who accidently voted for red hair assuming she had blue eyes because the Facebook images were such poor quality, later I was miffed by my error and went ahead and voted for all 4 images to balance out the mistake.

If it were truly a hair colour vote, then they wouldn't have changed eye colour and other smaller details (of which cannot be seen properly on Facebook, you know, the place where the voting is happening). It may seem like a minor issue but it's very misleading to all voters because the facts aren't being truly represented. The scientist in me screams at the lack of a proper control group here and I can see where charmingcharlie is coming from.

It really begs the question, "What are we actually voting on here?"

Modifié par leonia42, 23 août 2011 - 05:30 .

[nranola]

leonia42 wrote...

I sincerely hope so, after seeing how "fair" this last vote was I'm simply ready to see a trailer with any FemShep in it, even if it's one nobody voted for.

I would be so amused if that happened.

BioWare: We take it all back. Because all of you can't play nice, have a femShep that none of you voted on! You're welcome, by the way.

[Fata Morgana]

leonia42 wrote...

Honestly, I am one of the few who accidently voted for red hair assuming she had blue eyes because the Facebook images were such poor quality, later I was miffed by my error and went ahead and voted for all 4 images to balance out the mistake.

You know you can 'unlike' something, right?  Just 'unlike' redhair, and leave the vote on the one you actually wanted. Votes are re-castable at any time.

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 23 août 2011 - 05:33 .

[Leonia]

I'm fine with voting for all 4, given my opinion of the whole thing at this point. Having the ability to cast multiple votes is probably not something that was really taken into account, among other major errors.

But really, anyone can change their vote at any time, how ludicrous is that? They are breaking so many rules on good polling techniques here.. it's like they don't want this to be an accurate process at all.

Modifié par leonia42, 23 août 2011 - 05:38 .

[Arkitekt]

Charlie, you're too fun to pass!

charmingcharlie wrote...

Arkitekt wrote... Usually red haired people come with freckles. Perhaps you never noticed it.

It doesn't matter that is NOT what we voted for, there was a freckled face femshep in poll 1 and she came second to last.  The winner was Femshep 5 and this poll was just about hair colour.  Therefore it is fair to say that the winner would be femshep 5 with redhair that is what we voted for.

The second vote red femshep had freckles. People still voted for her. End of story.

Arkitekt wrote...
The horror! The HORROR!  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

This is getting hilarious!

No what is getting hilarious is those that think this second poll was "proper" are failing to come up with any arguments and just trying to belittle what I say.

I never said the second poll was "proper", stop putting words into other people's mouths. What I and other have been saying is that the second vote round isn't as dumb as some have proclaimed, and actually made some sense because people actually voted for red hair shep this time. Couldn't care less if it was not conducted like a "proper" democratic process, since it was just for Bioware to check out what the fans were more or less looking for. Apparently, they want standard FemShep *SUPERCHARGED!* and I'm fine with that.

Arkitekt wrote...

PS: and please, to say we ended up with shepard #2 is silly:

http://images.wikia....ard_designs.png

Please note it isn't if you look here :-

http://na.llnet.biow...-femshep2-p.jpg

You will see femshep 2 (second to last) has green eyes and freckles and hardly anyone voted for her. So why were her features included in poll 2 ?

Why was her hair color reintroduced? Why is she inclined to the right instead to the left? All these mysterious questions still unnanswered! BIOWARE ARE YOU LISTENING! WE DEMAND EXXPLANATIONS!

[Arkitekt]

leonia42 wrote...

But really, anyone can change their vote at any time, how ludicrous is that? They are breaking so many rules on good polling techniques here.. it's like they don't want this to be an accurate process at all.

Wtf are you rambling about now? People make mistakes and god bless they can change their vote. How that is a break in "rules" I really fail to understand. At most, it seems to correct a lot of mistakes, except for those who don't know of the feature.

[charmingcharlie]

Arkitekt wrote...
The second vote red femshep had freckles. People still voted for her. End of story.

According to you guys no one can see the freckles which is it ?  One minute you  are saying that the unique changes to red haired femshep don't matter because no one can see them and the next minute you are saying "oh people must be voting and ignoring the freckles"

Arkitekt wrote...
Why was her hair color reintroduced? Why is she inclined to the right instead to the left? All these mysterious questions still unnanswered!
BIOWARE ARE YOU LISTENING! WE DEMAND EXXPLANATIONS!

Because people complained about the hair colour.  People stated we like Femshep 5 but with red hair and since all 4 femsheps in poll 2 are supposed to be the same (or at least look the same according to some) except for hair colour then this poll was just about hair colour.  Hence why I say the winner should be femshep 5 with red hair because that is what won.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 23 août 2011 - 05:46 .

[Arkitekt]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...
The second vote red femshep had freckles. People still voted for her. End of story.

According to you guys no one can see the freckles which is it ?  One minute you  are saying that the unique changes to red haired femshep don't matter because no one can see them and the next minute you are saying "oh people must be voting and ignoring the freckles"

Not at all, that's not what happened. What I said was that the overall face was the same. And it is, and if someone was seeing more than I did, then it was stuff that didn't matter. The freckles everyone saw from day 1. I think at least.

Because people complained about the hair colour.  People stated we like Femshep 5 but with red hair and since all 4 femsheps in poll 2 are supposed to be the same (or at least look the same according to some) except for hair colour then this poll was just about hair colour.  Hence why I say the winner should be femshep 5 with red hair because that is what won.

No. People complained about hair color. Then BIOWARE didn't say "Ok, here take redshep". They said "Here's four options then, choose". People choosed from what they *saw*. And they saw.... freckles! And they voted her. END OF STORY /THREAD

[Leonia]

Arkitekt wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

But really, anyone can change their vote at any time, how ludicrous is that? They are breaking so many rules on good polling techniques here.. it's like they don't want this to be an accurate process at all.

Wtf are you rambling about now? People make mistakes and god bless they can change their vote. How that is a break in "rules" I really fail to understand. At most, it seems to correct a lot of mistakes, except for those who don't know of the feature.

Do you get to change your vote when you vote in an election? How can a vote have any meaning if it can be changed at any time during the voting window? There's no accuracy that be can derived from this method. If they aren't going to do it right, why do it at all. To say they did it? "We let our fans vote but we didn't give them all the right information to make an informed choice nor did we actually care about what they actually voted for because we already knew which version of FemShep we wanted and this whole thing has just been one big PR exercise to make you think we care."

There are countless errors with this procedure, there are countless variables that have entered it to a process that should have been a simple "Vote for hair colour, the one hair colour of your choice." The faces should all have been identical, voting should have been limited to one vote per person, etc.

They may as well disregard all votes at this point because they misled us.

Modifié par leonia42, 23 août 2011 - 05:55 .

[Fata Morgana]

leonia42 wrote...

I'm fine with voting for all 4, given my opinion of the whole thing at this point. Having the ability to cast multiple votes is probably not something that was really taken into account, among other major errors.

But really, anyone can change their vote at any time, how ludicrous is that? They are breaking so many rules on good polling techniques here.. it's like they don't want this to be an accurate process at all.

It's almost like it's nothing but a silly facebook poll!

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 23 août 2011 - 06:04 .

[Leonia]

I know, right?

[charmingcharlie]

Arkitekt wrote...
Not at all, that's not what happened. What I said was that the overall face was the same. And it is, and if someone was seeing more than I did, then it was stuff that didn't matter. The freckles everyone saw from day 1. I think at least.

The argument that some are using on here is that the changes to red femshep cannot be seen therefore they have no bearing on the result of the second poll.  Well if that is the case and these changes cannot be seen then that means people are "assuming" that the femsheps in this poll are Femshep 5 but with different hair colours.  Therefore people are voting for Femshep 5 + red hair.

[Fata Morgana]

leonia42 wrote...

I know, right?

it's like it's something trivial and unimportant!  Doesn't Bioware realize they should have approached this will all the seriousness of a national election?  It's like no one respects the voting of JPGs anymore.

[gamer_girl]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...
Not at all, that's not what happened. What I said was that the overall face was the same. And it is, and if someone was seeing more than I did, then it was stuff that didn't matter. The freckles everyone saw from day 1. I think at least.

The argument that some are using on here is that the changes to red femshep cannot be seen therefore they have no bearing on the result of the second poll.  Well if that is the case and these changes cannot be seen then that means people are "assuming" that the femsheps in this poll are Femshep 5 but with different hair colours.  Therefore people are voting for Femshep 5 + red hair.

...Exactly. People are voting for fem Shep 5 with red hair. Why is that a difficult concept for you to get?