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[Arkitekt]

leonia42 wrote...

Do you get to change your vote when you vote in an election? How can a vote have any meaning if it can be changed at any time during the voting window? There's no accuracy that be can derived from this method. If they aren't going to do it right, why do it at all. To say they did it? "We let our fans vote but we didn't give them all the right information to make an informed choice nor did we actually care about what they actually voted for because we already knew which version of FemShep we wanted and this whole thing has just been one big PR exercise to make you think we care."

There are countless errors with this procedure, there are countless variables that have entered it to a process that should have been a simple "Vote for hair colour, the one hair colour of your choice." The faces should all have been identical, voting should have been limited to one vote per person, etc.

They may as well disregard all votes at this point because they misled us.

Wow. Just wow.

[DJRackham]

Fata Morgana wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I know, right?

it's like it's something trivial and unimportant!  Doesn't Bioware realize they should have approached this will all the seriousness of a national election?  It's like no one respects the voting of JPGs anymore.

I wasn't aware that JPGs had been given the right to vote yet. Good for them. 

[charmingcharlie]

gamer_girl wrote...
...Exactly. People are voting for fem Shep 5 with red hair. Why is that a difficult concept for you to get?

Because that is NOT what they are going to get is it.  The winner of poll 2 is actually Femshep 2 with long red hair it's just the pictures on facebook do not show that.

[gamer_girl]

charmingcharlie wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
...Exactly. People are voting for fem Shep 5 with red hair. Why is that a difficult concept for you to get?

Because that is NOT what they are going to get is it.  The winner of poll 2 is actually Femshep 2 with long red hair it's just the pictures on facebook do not show that.

Oh my god you're impossible. One minute you're upset because Red Shep is getting an "unfair advantage" because she "looks different" and the second we prove she isn't, you jump to the other side saying people that vote for her aren't going to get what they voted for. Pretty disfunctional.

Seeing as these people are clearly voting on hair colour alone now, 2 very minor differences won't matter and will likely go unnoticed.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 23 août 2011 - 06:15 .

[Leonia]

It wouldn't be so confusing if the high-res pictures had been put up on Facebook or, if indeed, the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS THE HAIR COLOUR. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Oh well, it is silly when you think about it in the grand scheme of things but Bioware could have tried a little harder to do this properly.

[gamer_girl]

leonia42 wrote...

It wouldn't be so confusing if the high-res pictures had been put up on Facebook or, if indeed, the ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS THE HAIR COLOUR. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Oh well, it is silly when you think about it in the grand scheme of things but Bioware could have tried a little harder to do this properly.

Personally I wouldn't have know about the differences if someone hadn't placed those Sheps side by side using the high res shots and literally told me the differences existed. And I watched the BW Pulse that showed the high res shots initally. Didn't notice any differences aside from hair colour. They were far too minor.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 23 août 2011 - 06:20 .

[charmingcharlie]

gamer_girl wrote...
Oh my god you're impossible. One minute you're upset because Red Shep is getting an "unfair advantage" because she "looks different" and the second we prove she isn't, you jump to the other side saying people that vote for her aren't going to get what they voted for. Pretty disfunctional.

Seeing as these people are clearly voting on hair colour alone now, 2 very minor differences won't matter.

No I am not impossible you guys just don't like what I am saying.  If you are correct and these details cannot be seen then that means people are still being misled into voting for something they do not want which again calls into question the validity of the results. 

I also cannot believe you class a different complexion and totally different eye colour as "minor differences" I certainly wouldn't call them "minor".

No one voted for freckles or green eyes in the first poll, we voted for blue eyes, and a mole amongst other things.  That was the winner and if this 2nd poll is just about "hair colour" then the winning FemShep should be blue eyed, place faced with a mole and red hair.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 23 août 2011 - 06:24 .

[Leonia]

Arkitekt wrote...

Wow. Just wow.

Anyone who has had a basic psychology class, or indeed a basic scientific course of any discipline, would understand the methods used to acquire accurate data and which methods are to be avoided if someone wants to obtain real results. Bioware is seeking such data from their fans, they are not, however, providing enough information or employing proper controls to get the actual data that they desire. They have what some may call a "flawed experiment" here. Or maybe this is exactly what they want and they are hoping we will not notice, anyway I would direct you to Wikipedia articles relating to the scientific method or how quantitative research is supposed to be conducted, but I fear these articles would both bore you and not make you understand the bigger picture of what is going on here. 

Suffice it to say, charmingcharlie has valid concerns regardless if you understand or appreciate them or not and I think it's nigh time that he/she stop being ridiculed in this thread for expressing those views.

Where some of you see "minor differences" I see something that dramatically changed my mind about my vote. Just because it looks minor to you doesn't mean it isn't glaringly obvious to others. The fact of the matter is, this is NOT a vote about simply hair colour. The vote is misleading, regardless if you personally can tell why or not.

Modifié par leonia42, 23 août 2011 - 06:29 .

[gamer_girl]

charmingcharlie wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Oh my god you're impossible. One minute you're upset because Red Shep is getting an "unfair advantage" because she "looks different" and the second we prove she isn't, you jump to the other side saying people that vote for her aren't going to get what they voted for. Pretty disfunctional.

Seeing as these people are clearly voting on hair colour alone now, 2 very minor differences won't matter.

No I am not impossible you guys just don't like what I am saying.  If you are correct and these details cannot be seen then that means people are still being misled into voting for something they do not want which again calls into question the validity of the results. 

I also cannot believe you class a different complexion and totally different eye colour as "minor differences" I certainly wouldn't call them "minor".

No one voted for freckles or green eyes in the first poll, we voted for blue eyes, and a mole amongst other things.  That was the winner and if this 2nd poll is just about "hair colour" then the winning FemShep should be blue eyed, place faced with a mole and red hair.

You may have voted for blue eyes and a mole, but according to the facts, MOST voted because of hairstyle.
Quit saying we. You keep denying the reasons most people voted for blondie. The only one you can be absolutely sure of is your own vote.

With your reasoning, BW is damned if they do, damned if they don't.
You say they should have had the high res shots so people knew what they were voting for, but at the same time you're against the high res shots because one Shep gets an "unfair advantage".

Modifié par gamer_girl, 23 août 2011 - 06:28 .

[Fata Morgana]

DJRackham wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I know, right?

it's like it's something trivial and unimportant!  Doesn't Bioware realize they should have approached this will all the seriousness of a national election?  It's like no one respects the voting of JPGs anymore.

I wasn't aware that JPGs had been given the right to vote yet. Good for them. 

Well without more serious seriousness, they'll never get the vote. STAY STRONG, JPEGS.

[Leonia]

gamer_girl wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Oh my god you're impossible. One minute you're upset because Red Shep is getting an "unfair advantage" because she "looks different" and the second we prove she isn't, you jump to the other side saying people that vote for her aren't going to get what they voted for. Pretty disfunctional.

Seeing as these people are clearly voting on hair colour alone now, 2 very minor differences won't matter.

No I am not impossible you guys just don't like what I am saying.  If you are correct and these details cannot be seen then that means people are still being misled into voting for something they do not want which again calls into question the validity of the results. 

I also cannot believe you class a different complexion and totally different eye colour as "minor differences" I certainly wouldn't call them "minor".

No one voted for freckles or green eyes in the first poll, we voted for blue eyes, and a mole amongst other things.  That was the winner and if this 2nd poll is just about "hair colour" then the winning FemShep should be blue eyed, place faced with a mole and red hair.

You may have voted for blue eyes and a mole, but according to the facts, MOST voted because of hairstyle.
Quit saying we. You keep denying the reasons most people voted for blondie. The only one you can be absolutely sure of is your own vote.

With your reasoning, BW is damned if they do, damned if they don't.
You say they should have had the high res shots so people knew what they were voting for, but at the same time you're against the high res shots because one Shep gets an "unfair advantage".

How can you get facts from an experiment that doesn't have a control group? There are variables in each of those four faces, they are not the same thing. We are not voting on only hair colour. How do you know what each individual was truly voting for if you provide no control to compare the one variable to? You can't. There are no facts here. Just a mess of variables.

Biowrae IS damned if they do, damned if they don't. They should have stopped after the initial vote (the one via Twitter) and presented a FemShep with red hair/green eyes at Comic-con or Gamescom in a trailer but they chose to drag the shenanigans out for some unknowable reason.

Modifié par leonia42, 23 août 2011 - 06:36 .

[gamer_girl]

leonia42 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Oh my god you're impossible. One minute you're upset because Red Shep is getting an "unfair advantage" because she "looks different" and the second we prove she isn't, you jump to the other side saying people that vote for her aren't going to get what they voted for. Pretty disfunctional.

Seeing as these people are clearly voting on hair colour alone now, 2 very minor differences won't matter.

No I am not impossible you guys just don't like what I am saying.  If you are correct and these details cannot be seen then that means people are still being misled into voting for something they do not want which again calls into question the validity of the results. 

I also cannot believe you class a different complexion and totally different eye colour as "minor differences" I certainly wouldn't call them "minor".

No one voted for freckles or green eyes in the first poll, we voted for blue eyes, and a mole amongst other things.  That was the winner and if this 2nd poll is just about "hair colour" then the winning FemShep should be blue eyed, place faced with a mole and red hair.

You may have voted for blue eyes and a mole, but according to the facts, MOST voted because of hairstyle.
Quit saying we. You keep denying the reasons most people voted for blondie. The only one you can be absolutely sure of is your own vote.

With your reasoning, BW is damned if they do, damned if they don't.
You say they should have had the high res shots so people knew what they were voting for, but at the same time you're against the high res shots because one Shep gets an "unfair advantage".

How can you get facts from an experiment that doesn't have a control group? There are variables in each of those four faces, they are not the same thing. We are not voting on only hair colour. How do you know what each individual was truly voting for if you provide no control to compare the one variable to? You can't. There are no facts here. Just a mess of variables.

Facts being if the majority that voted for blondie hadn't done so because of hairstyle, BW wouldn't have bothered with another vote. It'd be far too risky.

[charmingcharlie]

gamer_girl wrote...You may have voted for blue eyes and a mole, but according to the facts, MOST voted because of hairstyle.

Erm NO according to the facts 32,000 people voted for a pale faced, blue eyed, mole ridden femshep. The only remaining question was HAIR COLOUR.

gamer_girl wrote...With your reasoning, BW is damned if they do, damned if they don't.  You say they should have had the high res shots so people knew what they
were voting for, but at the same time you're against the high res shots
because one Shep gets an "unfair advantage".

No they are not damned if they do and damned if they don't.  They should at least HONOUR the results of the first poll which clearly showed the winner was Femshep 5 and for the second poll put up 4 identical femshep 5's and just change the hair colour rather than try to be clever and alter red haired femshep and give her unique features.

If this process is supposed to be about US having a "say" in what femshep looks like then the winner will be a Blue eyed, pale faced femshep with a mole and red hair.  That is what was voted for in the two polls.

[RynJ]

Syledir wrote...

RynJ wrote...

Are we really comparing this to a presidential election again?

Alright if you want to do that, I'll give you my own "analogy"

This poll is like voting for Obama then voting for what color shirt we want him to wear at his speeches. Say there was a picture of him up when you voted for him and he was wearing a blue shirt in that picture, would you really be angry if people thought he looked better in green and chose that instead? Seriously, that's it. The other analogies on here don't even make any sense.

Also I think this proved that all references to presidential elections are really quite silly!

 All femsheps from the first and second poll wear the N7 armor. Her outfit is always the same. Your analogy would be right if the fans would have to vote between different armors. That is not the case.   We're talking about physicall characteristics like the colour of the skin, the gender, or in femsheps case the haircolour. But that is not the problem.

It is about the rules and the principle of a simple poll. I picked the presedential election of Obama because it  is general public knowledge, nothing else. You may believe I have a problem with red haired femshep. I don't, she looks good. I have a problem with how things were handled after #5 won the original poll. #2 has been given special treatment. She scored fifth.Yet #1, 3, 4 and 6 have been excluded. Why don't we start a second poll every time someone has problem? Miss Minnesota won the poll because she had a better hair stylist. Make a new poll. England only won the world cup because the referee was biased. Return match. And where does it end?

But it's too late to change it. The damage is done. The only thing I am curious about is what BioWare is going to do now. I was trying to come up with a solution of how to appease everyone in the end. Funny, this seems to be the only thing no one seems to want.

Seriously? That analogy wasn't meant to be entirely accurate, but if you would like I'll be a little more literal for you.

Fine, we vote for Obama then we vote on his haircolor. You see how it doesnt' matter the same way the damn shirt doesn't matter? It's the. same. person. Hair color doesn't make a person, but facial features are very important in distinguishing someone.

Wow, thanks for making me seem like I equate FemShep to a real person...

[Leonia]

gamer_girl wrote...
Facts being if the majority that voted for blondie hadn't done so because of hairstyle, BW wouldn't have bothered with another vote. It'd be far too risky.

You can't possibly know that, not every blondie voter made a comment on Facebook stating why the voted that way.

[gamer_girl]

leonia42 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Facts being if the majority that voted for blondie hadn't done so because of hairstyle, BW wouldn't have bothered with another vote. It'd be far too risky.

You can't possibly know that, not every blondie voter made a comment on Facebook stating why the voted that way.

I'm not saying every single one that voted for them did. But there had to be a majority for BW to even consider it. That's just common sense.

[SalsaDMA]

Fata Morgana wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...
It's almost as if people are only voting on hair style and color!

Yes and the hairstyle was determined in poll 1 along with the look of femshep which was No 5 she was the clear winner.  Now with poll 2 which is about hair colour people are voting for red hair.  So unless I am missing something the winner should look like Femshep 5 with red hair right ?   After all that is what we voted for wasn't it ?

You are missing something.

What you're missing is that no one but you cares.  Because it's irrelevant. Supposing in the final trailer, thanks to your comments, Bioware decides to make red-haired shep blue-eyed with a mole. I assure you, no one will care or notice. Except the people, like you, who whine for the sake of whining.   And those people deserve to be unhappy, because there's no amount of concessions that will make them happy.

Stop lying.

It's one thing that you are trolling with your comments, but when you start outright lying and trying to attack other posters it becomes too much.

Listen. I'm sorry that your life is so devoid of interesting stuff that you have to go on this forum and infest this thread with ad hominum attacks on posters just because you can, but doing so doesn't actually make your life better. when you start sprouting outright nonsense and lies like "only you care" towards another poster in a clear attempt to try and establish dominance out from a failed attempt of trying to isolate the poster as a special case and thus should be disregarded, you are stepping over the line of proper tone and conduct in a debate. Plenty of people have shown their dis-satisfaction with the affair, and even more people CARE about this whole thing, which should have been pretty obvious by the size of this thread by now.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony of this post, but enough is enough as far as Fatas trolling combined with condescending remarks towards random posters. Seriously Fata, get a life if "whining about whiners" is what constitues as large a part of your life as the amount of posts you do where you 'whine about whiners" hints at...

[Leonia]

gamer_girl wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Facts being if the majority that voted for blondie hadn't done so because of hairstyle, BW wouldn't have bothered with another vote. It'd be far too risky.

You can't possibly know that, not every blondie voter made a comment on Facebook stating why the voted that way.

I'm not saying every single one that voted for them did. But there had to be a majority for BW to even consider it. That's just common sense.

Or Bioware is guessing. It's about all they can do given the method they chose to use here anyway, so I don't fault them for it.

[Xerxes52]

nranola wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I sincerely hope so, after seeing how "fair" this last vote was I'm simply ready to see a trailer with any FemShep in it, even if it's one nobody voted for.

I would be so amused if that happened.

BioWare: We take it all back. Because all of you can't play nice, have a femShep that none of you voted on! You're welcome, by the way.

I would die laughing if they did this. Especially if their version of femshep made a Rakata look pretty.

[Fata Morgana]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Stop lying.

Er, what am I lying about, specifically?  That most people don't care about this vote at all?  No, that's demostrably true.

BSN is a highly insular place, and saying that because a lot of people here are blowing a gasket over this vote means that 'a lot of people care' about it is laughable.

[Pulletlamer]

I personally voted for the "brown" or dirty blonde (or however it's called) one.

I see redhead is probably going to win but what I don't understand is what was the point of voting for a new Shepard if it's going to end exactly like the actual Jane Shepard.

Really, think about it. Why care to make a votation if it's going to end exactly or very similar to the actual one?

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 06:47 .

[gamer_girl]

leonia42 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Facts being if the majority that voted for blondie hadn't done so because of hairstyle, BW wouldn't have bothered with another vote. It'd be far too risky.

You can't possibly know that, not every blondie voter made a comment on Facebook stating why the voted that way.

I'm not saying every single one that voted for them did. But there had to be a majority for BW to even consider it. That's just common sense.

Or Bioware is guessing. It's about all they can do given the method they chose to use here anyway, so I don't fault them for it.

Even if they are guessing roughly, it would have to be an educated guess. They wouldn't go on a whim like that. That's just not how businesses work. If they are considering doing something that will dissatisfy some potential buyers, they'd have to be pretty damn sure that the amount of people they'd be pleasing is a higher figure.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 23 août 2011 - 06:47 .

[Leonia]

Fata Morgana wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Stop lying.

Er, what am I lying about, specifically?  That most people don't care about this vote at all?  No, that's demostrably true.

BSN is a highly insular place, and saying that because a lot of people here are blowing a gasket over this vote means that 'a lot of people care' about it is laughable.

The vote isn't limited to BSN, it's on Facebook after all. A vast majority of the fanbase might not care but the vast majority of the FEMSHEP fanbase certainly does and they are the ones this whole shebang is set-up for.

[SalsaDMA]

gamer_girl wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
Facts being if the majority that voted for blondie hadn't done so because of hairstyle, BW wouldn't have bothered with another vote. It'd be far too risky.

You can't possibly know that, not every blondie voter made a comment on Facebook stating why the voted that way.

I'm not saying every single one that voted for them did. But there had to be a majority for BW to even consider it. That's just common sense.

They cannot have data to verify wether or not a majority wanted it without that majority supplying said data.

So no, they don't have that data. They are just making a random stab in the dark based on random vocal outbursts from random people.

To be honest, I actually think this continued behaviour of theirs, by pandering to whoever yells the loudest, is one of the major reasons I am loosing faith in their integrity.

[Fata Morgana]

leonia42 wrote...
*snip*

The vote isn't limited to BSN, it's on Facebook after all. A vast majority of the fanbase might not care but the vast majority of the FEMSHEP fanbase certainly does and they are the ones this whole shebang is set-up for.

Even if the entire FemShep fanbase cared passionately about this issue, that's only 18% of Mass Effect players.  Sorry, that's really not very many people.

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 23 août 2011 - 06:50 .