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[gamer_girl]

It's kind of funny that you think that poll makes some kind of point. 144 voters out of the tens of thousands...

Now if you had a poll that consisted of all original blonde Shep voters and not an incredibly small fraction of them, that I would find interesting.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 23 août 2011 - 09:55 .

[C9316]

Hey guys if you dislike the one who wins, just keep b*tching and Bioware will have another vote...

[Pulletlamer]

gamer_girl wrote...

It's kind of funny that you think that poll makes some kind of point. 144 voters out of the tens of thousands...

Now if you had a poll that consisted of all original blonde Shep voters and not an incredibly small fraction of them, that I would find interesting.

I could say the same of your 43 voters... so now you're just contradicting yourself and being kind of a troll.

Polls on BSN are at smaller scale than on FB.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 10:00 .

[charmingcharlie]

gamer_girl wrote...
I haven't seen too many red Shep supporters in poll 2 saying "I would prefer if her freckles were gone or if her eyes were blue". No they're pretty damn satisfied, and that's all that matters.

According to YOU people cannot see the freckles or the green eyes so how can people "complain" about something they can't see ?  It doesn't change the fact that femshep 2 has no place in the 2nd poll because she came second to last.  Seriously stop trying to get in both ways here, if you believe that people cannot see the freckles and eye colour then the only conclusion is that people are voting based on the assumption that Femshep 5 is the "base" design and the only change is the red hair colour.

[gamer_girl]

Pulletlamer wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

It's kind of funny that you think that poll makes some kind of point. 144 voters out of the tens of thousands...

Now if you had a poll that consisted of all original blonde Shep voters and not an incredibly small fraction of them, that I would find interesting.

I could say the same of your 43 votes... so now you're just contradicting yourself and being kind of a troll.

Never once did I use my poll as evidence. Nor do I plan to. I just want to see what the average BSN user thinks. Quit calling me a troll. You're just putting your foot in your mouth.

[Fata Morgana]

C9316 wrote...

Hey guys if you dislike the one who wins, just keep b*tching and Bioware will have another vote...

Doubtful, but you're free to try. The only requirement is lack of shame.

[Fata Morgana]

Calling someone a troll just because they disagree with you is pretty much the ultimate troll.

[Pulletlamer]

gamer_girl wrote...

Never once did I use my poll as
evidence. Nor do I plan to. I just want to see what the average BSN user
thinks. Quit calling me a troll. You're just putting your foot in your
mouth.

Fata Morgana wrote...

Calling someone a troll just because they disagree with you is pretty much the ultimate troll.

I called him/her a kind of a troll because he said it as if BSN polls were not legitimate or relevant.

Which is ironic because we're on BSN, were we're supposed to be the most "true" fans.

BSN user's opinion matters too, not just FB one.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 10:07 .

[gamer_girl]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Calling someone a troll just because they disagree with you is pretty much the ultimate troll.

QFT

[Vyse_Fina]

C9316 wrote...

Hey guys if you dislike the one who wins, just keep b*tching and Bioware will have another vote...

Or consider to use the new chara creator and achieve happiness ^^

[gamer_girl]

Pulletlamer wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Never once did I use my poll as
evidence. Nor do I plan to. I just want to see what the average BSN user
thinks. Quit calling me a troll. You're just putting your foot in your
mouth.

Fata Morgana wrote...

Calling someone a troll just because they disagree with you is pretty much the ultimate troll.

I called him/her a kind of a troll because he said it as if BSN polls were not legitimate or relevant.

Which is ironic because we're on BSN, were we're supposed to be the most "true" fans.

Because they are irrelevant. They don't necessarily contain the people who voted, nor the huge number of people that voted. You can't use those kind of statistics in an argument.

[Fata Morgana]

Pulletlamer wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Never once did I use my poll as
evidence. Nor do I plan to. I just want to see what the average BSN user
thinks. Quit calling me a troll. You're just putting your foot in your
mouth.

Fata Morgana wrote...

Calling someone a troll just because they disagree with you is pretty much the ultimate troll.

I called him/her a kind of a troll because he said it as if BSN polls were not legitimate or relevant.

144 votes is not relevant. This is fact, not trolling.

Which is ironic because we're on BSN, were we're supposed to be the most "true" fans.

You're going to grade other fans by whether they're willing to visit this horror show?

If anything, I think you're a more true fan if you refuse to visit BSN out of respect for Bioware.

[Pulletlamer]

gamer_girl wrote...


Because they are irrelevant. They don't necessarily contain the people who voted, nor the huge number of
people that voted. You can't use those kind of statistics in an argument.

Then why you cared to open a poll? You're contradicting yourself.

Why did you create a poll if you already think it's irrelevant and it doesn't matter? Honestly.

I don't understand.

Fata Morgana wrote...

If anything, I think you're a more true fan if you refuse to visit BSN out of respect for Bioware.

You don't know how I am so don't try to judge other persons. You don't have any rights to tell me what I should do or not, so now if you wish leave personal attacks out of the argument, it's the second time you do it. Thanks.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 10:14 .

[gamer_girl]

If anything, I think you're a more true fan if you refuse to visit BSN out of respect for Bioware.

More for me I see true fans as the ones that let BW decide for themselves what they do - the ones that aren't constantly whining and complaining about said choices they've made. If you don't like it, don't buy the game. Pure and simple. No point in being so butt hurt. Constructive criticism is very dissimilar to insolence.

[gamer_girl]

Then why you cared to open a poll? You're contradicting yourself?

Why did you create a poll if you already think it's irrelevant and it doesn't matter? Honestly.

I made a poll out of curiosity, not to use it as a feeble defense for a debate. That's not how I roll.

You misunderstand. The polls are useless in an argument. Not useless in general.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 23 août 2011 - 10:17 .

[Pulletlamer]

gamer_girl wrote...

If anything, I think you're a more true fan if you refuse to visit BSN out of respect for Bioware.

More for me I see true fans as the ones that let BW decide for themselves what they do - the ones that aren't constantly whining and complaining about said choices they've made. If you don't like it, don't buy the game. Pure and simple. No point in being so butt hurt. Constructive criticism is very dissimilar to insolence.

Here we go again with judging people preventively.

I'm not a whiner. The whiners and complainers are the ones that can't accept the original winner of the contest. That was number 5.

[gamer_girl]

I don't respect those people any more than you do. I think they're ridiculous. When did I ever say I agreed with them? Never. I also never said you were one of the whiners did I? Don't put words in my mouth.

All I ever said is that BW's decision is completely valid.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 23 août 2011 - 10:19 .

[Pulletlamer]

gamer_girl wrote...

Then why you cared to open a poll? You're contradicting yourself?

Why did you create a poll if you already think it's irrelevant and it doesn't matter? Honestly.

I made a poll out of curiosity, not to use it as a feeble defense for a debate. That's not how I roll.

You misunderstand. The polls are useless in an argument. Not useless in general.

I didn't use it as proof to defend my arguments but instead more in a way to indicate what the people on BSN that voted 5 thought were mostly fine with the results.

But yes I get what you're saying. 143 votes are not enough to have a reliable statistic.

[Fata Morgana]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

If anything, I think you're a more true fan if you refuse to visit BSN out of respect for Bioware.

You don't know how I am so don't try to judge other persons. You don't have any rights to tell me what I should do or not, so now if you wish leave personal attacks out of the argument, it's the second time you do it. Thanks.

I don't know why you would see that as a personal attack on you. I'm here too, aren't I?  What I was trying to tell you is that YOU cannot judge other fans as being somehow unworthy because they don't come to BSN. There's a lot of vitriol against Bioware here at BSN, so why would it make a person a more true fan to be here?  If you're going to make that argument at all (which I am not), then a 'true' fan would stay away from BSN, because they don't like to see people talk about how much Bioware sucks because of dumb, trivial things like Facebook polls.

[Pulletlamer]

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't respect those people any more than you do. I think they're ridiculous. When did I ever say I agreed with them? Never. I also never said you were one of the whiners did I? Don't put words in my mouth.

All I ever said is that BW's decision is completely valid.

I don't say you accusated me directly, but you're saying people complain about everything as if I was one of them.

I don't like to complain but when I found out that they have changed one face I don't see that as a valid decision.

I mean, valid in the sense that we fans will get what we want. I don't think changing the face is a valid decision when you're in theory voting for the hair color.

It all comes to that in the end that BW seems to be doing what they want and the constest was just an illusion of choice. That's what makes me angry.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 10:30 .

[gamer_girl]

Pulletlamer wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't respect those people any more than you do. I think they're ridiculous. When did I ever say I agreed with them? Never. I also never said you were one of the whiners did I? Don't put words in my mouth.

All I ever said is that BW's decision is completely valid.

I don't say you accusated me directly, but you're saying people complain about everything as if I was one of them.

I don't like to complain but when I found out that they have changed one face I don't see that as a valid decision.

I mean, valid in the sense that we fans will get what we want. I don't think changing the face is a valid decision when you're in theory voting for the hair color.

It all comes to that in the end it makes me angry that BW seems to be doing what they want and the constest was just an illusion of choice.

In some ways it likely is. They want to please the most possible, and if this is the way to do it, that's a damn good decision. Just the way it is. I wouldn't get mad at any company for knowing what would attract the most sales. People like red head Shep 2, and were dissatisfied with blonde Shep. Just the way it is.

[Fata Morgana]

gamer_girl wrote...

In some ways it likely is. They want to please the most possible, and if this is the way to do it, that's a damn good decision. Just the way it is. I wouldn't get mad at any company for knowing what would attract the most sales. People like red head Shep 2, and were dissatisfied with blonde Shep. Just the way it is.

This, pretty much. It's valid because the choice was always in Bioware's hands. They gave us some input, and I'm grateful for that, even though the Shep I wanted didn't win. I still think it's cool of them.

[Pulletlamer]

Fata Morgana wrote...

I don't know why you would see that as a personal attack on you. I'm here too, aren't I?  What I was trying to tell you is that YOU cannot judge other fans as being somehow unworthy because they don't come to BSN. There's a lot of vitriol against Bioware here at BSN, so why would it make a person a more true fan to be here?  If you're going to make that argument at all (which I am not), then a 'true' fan would stay away from BSN, because they don't like to see people talk about how much Bioware sucks because of dumb, trivial things like Facebook polls.

It could perfectly be a personal attack since you're telling me I should refuse to come here for respect to Bioware as If I couldn't be here on the forums or didn't have the rights to be. You act as if you were an admin.

Besides you misunderstood me. I didn't elaborate properly. What I meant is that the people on BSN represent the BW fans. FB is public and anyone can vote. Not that by that I mean the FB poll is not valid or anything, just saying.

You tell me again what to do and what a true fan has to do and whatnot. Whatever. Stop talking as if you were the BSN suppreme moderator or "defender" or something like that.

I'm done. I don't want to continue "discussing" (you began anyway) with you, I told you trying to be polite twice but you keep going on and being rude on me for some reason.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 10:40 .

[gamer_girl]

Fata Morgana wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

In some ways it likely is. They want to please the most possible, and if this is the way to do it, that's a damn good decision. Just the way it is. I wouldn't get mad at any company for knowing what would attract the most sales. People like red head Shep 2, and were dissatisfied with blonde Shep. Just the way it is.

This, pretty much. It's valid because the choice was always in Bioware's hands. They gave us some input, and I'm grateful for that, even though the Shep I wanted didn't win. I still think it's cool of them.

Exactly. I still wish the Asian looking braided Shep won, but I'm not mad that she didn't. Any of the FemSheps there are milestones better than the default now - or any FemShep for that matter. They all look hideous. But now that they have whichever one wins (likely red head) and the muchly updated character creator, I have absolutely no problem with it. And I might even make a FemShep despite my distaste with the VA. Appearance of FemShep has always been my biggest issue.

[Fata Morgana]

Pulletlamer, it would help if you actually read what I wrote instead of instantly assuming that everything is an attack and everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

My whole argument above is that neither you nor I can judge people for being true/not true fans based on where they post or don't post. Jeepers.