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[gamer_girl]

Calm pills needed in here lol.

[Wynne]

Wow, this is still being discussed a lot, it seems. Well, as a visual aid:


Observations:

• All three have the same general facial features and scars.
• The #5s seem to have the same lip/skin color and hair, though they might actually all be the same.
• #5's red hair is much brighter than #2's.

I think I would've liked to see a redhead with blue eyes because that's what I'm used to, but hey, it's just eye color. I like the freckles. I think they wanted to see whether the combination suited #5and whether it was preferred by the fan base. Honestly, it's a trivial difference, but pleasant enough.

[Nozybidaj]

charmingcharlie wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...
I haven't seen too many red Shep supporters in poll 2 saying "I would prefer if her freckles were gone or if her eyes were blue". No they're pretty damn satisfied, and that's all that matters.

According to YOU people cannot see the freckles or the green eyes so how can people "complain" about something they can't see ?  It doesn't change the fact that femshep 2 has no place in the 2nd poll because she came second to last.  Seriously stop trying to get in both ways here, if you believe that people cannot see the freckles and eye colour then the only conclusion is that people are voting based on the assumption that Femshep 5 is the "base" design and the only change is the red hair colour.

At the end of the day, taking both polls together around 37K people have cast a vote for a blonde haired, blue eyed Shepard with a beauty mark while only around 25K some odd people have voted for a red haired, green eyed Shep with freckles.

Hmmmm......

[Pulletlamer]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Pulletlamer, it would help if you actually read what I wrote instead of instantly assuming that everything is an attack and everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

My whole argument above is that neither you nor I can judge people for being true/not true fans based on where they post or don't post. Jeepers.

See? You exaggerate everything. I said gamer girl was kind of a troll because I meant what he/she said was contradictory.

Now for some reason, everyone that disagrees with me I call him a troll. Right. Whatever.

Telling someone they are not worth being on the forums for respect to Bioware is offensive and it's a personal attack.

I understood your point perfectly. ME3 Fans that are not registered on the BSN forums are still valid fans, I never said anything that told the contrary. I just said BSN users represent them on the internet better than any other possible forums/social network.

[Fata Morgana]

My whole argument above is that neither you nor I can judge people for being true/not true fans based on where they post or don't post. Jeepers.

[Pulletlamer]

^You tell me to read your posts but you don't stop to read mine and try to see what I mean. The one missing reading comprehension here is you.

I already understand what you say. Perhaps you have the problem. Not me.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 11:01 .

[charmingcharlie]

Wynne wrote...   I think I would've liked to see a redhead with blue eyes because that's what I'm used to, but hey, it's just eye color. I like the freckles. I think they wanted to see whether the combination suited #5and whether it was preferred by the fan base. Honestly, it's a trivial difference, but pleasant enough.

Cheers for the visual aid Wynne, at the end of the day you should get your blue eyed redhead because that is what nthe "majority" voted for.  It was pretty clear that femshep 5 won the first poll decisively.  It was also pretty clear that this 2nd poll was drawn up to decide hair colour.  Therefore if Bioware care about what femshep fans want as some claim in here then we can expect femshep to be a blue eyed, long haired, pale faced femshep with a mole and red hair.  That is what the collective majority voted for, that is what the polls show.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 23 août 2011 - 10:59 .

[Wynne]

Pulletlamer wrote...

I'm done. I don't want to continue "discussing" (you began anyway) with you, I told you trying to be polite twice but you keep going on and being rude on me for some reason.

Well, it seems you weren't done, but in any case, she's not being rude. All she's done this entire time is try to get people to stop taking the hair color and facial features of a video game preset as being so heart-attack serious. In other words, talk some sense into us all. Maybe considering what she's trying to say instead of taking it as a personal attack would make you happier than all this futile debate has done. Honestly, I know debate can be fun, but if the discussion isn't really going anywhere anymore, aren't there more important things for us to be talking about/doing? I'm not trying to get your goat here, I'm saying it honestly. If something's just getting to you like this, you're probably better off taking a break from it.

Nozybidaj wrote...

At the end of the day, taking both polls together around 37K people have cast a vote for a blonde haired, blue eyed Shepard with a beauty mark while only around 25K some odd people have voted for a red haired, green eyed Shep with freckles.

It's almost as if more people care about the overall look than mere coloring.

Imagine that.

Modifié par Wynne, 23 août 2011 - 11:04 .

[Fata Morgana]

Pulletlamer wrote...

^You tell me to read your posts but you don't. The one missing reading comprehension here is you.

I already undertand what you say. Perhaps you have the problem.

Pulletlamer, you say this: "Telling someone they are not worth being on the forums for respect to Bioware is offensive and it's a personal attack.", not realizing that I was making a devil's advocate argument based on what I percieved as your judgement that BSN forumites are 'true fans' I never said that there was something wrong with you posting here, and I even pointed out that I also post here.

Then I made a post making it clear that I would not judge anyone based on where they post.

Then you made another post saying: "I just said BSN users represent them on the internet better than any other possible forums/social network.", in other words confirming that you judge people as 'lesser fans' if they don't post on BSN.

So I reminded you again that neither of us can judge something like that.

Is it clear now?

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 23 août 2011 - 11:03 .

[Pulletlamer]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Pulletlamer, you say this: "Telling someone they are not worth being on the forums for respect to Bioware is offensive and it's a personal attack.", not realizing that I was making a devil's advocate argument based on what I percieved as your judgement that BSN forumites are 'true fans' I never said that there was something wrong with you posting here, and I even pointed out that I also post here.

Then I made a post making it clear that I would not judge anyone based on where they post.

Then you made another post saying: "I just said BSN users represent them on the internet better than any other possible forums/social network.", in other words confirming that you judge people as 'lesser fans' if they don't post on BSN.

So I reminded you again that neither of us can judge something like that.

Is it clear now?

No it's not clear because you're not getting what I'm saying. I believe I do understand what you're telling me, but I believe you misunderstood me.

I left buried on the ground the first part (the supposed personal attack) already. I'm talking about the "valid fans" part all the time.

I said:

"ME3 Fans that are not registered on the BSN forums are still valid fans,I never said anything that told the contrary. I just said BSN users represent them on the internet better than any other possible forums/social network."

That does not in any way meant to tell that other fans are lesser. It's simply that the fans registered are the ones that are able to suggest and give ideas etc more easily than others. I do NOT mean fans that are not registered aren't true fans or don't represent ME3.

It's not that I'm trying to judge or say BSN fans are better or  "true" fans, it's just that we represent them overall, and that was all intended to give relevance to the poll, but whatever.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 23 août 2011 - 11:16 .

[gamer_girl]

No worries Fata. They'll get it eventually. I think most people understand your intentions pretty well.

[Arkitekt]

Well, if you really mean that three or four BSN members that are dissatisfied with this state of affairs "represent" a huge deal of ME3 fans, then why is the fact that hundreds of comments in facebook saying "#5 but red" so easily dismissed as being a minority?

It really is disturbing. I've seen a lot of whining against the blonde shepard, but 87 pages clearly surpass the 57 pages of the "So... Blonde FemShep for the win. Huh" thread.

Get on with it. RedFemShep is not my first choice, but I was going to accept the blonde and I'm going to accept the Red.

[ThePwener]

The Legacy of Femshep - abused and ignored

[Sashimi_taco]

This thread is ridiculous.

[ThePwener]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

This thread is ridiculous.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!11ONE

[Balek-Vriege]

Long post:

I thought I would crunch some numbers while watching the news after reading some more of this debate, and thought it could use some numbers at least, if we're going to continue debating whether or not people who think the poll may be fair in anyway may have a point.  Lets list the results/% of vote as of about 15-20 minutes ago (from when I started typing this and finished the "math" stuff in that time) I used from polls 1 and 2.

Poll 1:

Total Votes:  72849
Femshep 1:  7,994   - 10.97%  (short hair, black)
Femshep 2:  5,295   -   7.27%  (redhead, freckles)
Femshep 3:  11,412 - 15.67%  (Asian-looking, black ponytail)
Femshep 4:  12,986 - 17.82%  (Black Shep)
Femshep 5:  31,506 - 43.25%  (Blonde Shep)
Femshep 6:  3,656   -   5.02%  (Eastern looking Shep)

Notes towards various arguments/general:  41,343 votes/56.75% not for Femshep 5; 31, 506 votes/43.25% voted for Femshep 5 regardless of hair colour;  5,295/7.27% voted for Femshep 2 textures/look/redhair;  12,986/17.82% voted for runner up; 16642 votes/22.84% voted for a darker skinned shep, 36048 votes/49.48% voted for black haired Shep; unknown amount of blonde voters wanted different hair colour

Poll 2:

Total Votes:  42,612
Femshep 1: 12,606  - 29.58%  (Black Hair)
Femshep 2:  5,337   - 12.52%  (Blonde)
Femshep 3:  5,482   - 12.86%  (Dirty Blonde/Brunette)
Femshep 4: 19,187  - 45.03%  (Red Hair, Freckles)

Note towards various arguments/general:  Blonde vs. Dirty Blonde/Brunetter have almost identical numbers and % (arguably a split by looking at numbers alone); Red hair has much stronger showing than poll 1;  Option 4 has unique texture additions; Blonde Shep has 5,337 votes/12.52%;  Dirty-Blonde has 5,482 votes/12.86% ;  Blonde/Dirty-Blonde together have 10,819 votes/25.38%;  31,793 votes/74.61% voted against "Femshep 5" and dirty blonde/Brunette; 37,275 votes/87.48% more or less voted not for Femshep 5; Freckle textures being a 5th place winner in poll 1 are now on 1st place winner of poll 2; first place textures on winner of poll 1 are now losing in poll 2.

Now based on those people can make some easier claims about how things were represented from poll 1 in poll 2, since hair colour change wasn't the only thing in poll 2 changed.

---

Here's where the fun part comes in and becomes totally my opinion/assumptions of what happened, which leads to questions of:  Did Femshep 5 have any chance of winning second poll based off a few valid assumptions?  Would it be fair to have a second poll to a block which won in the first etc.?

What i'm going to try and do is transfer the figures from poll 1 to achieve results roughly seen in poll 2.  There will be problems with what i'm doing, because I'm not going to take into account grey areas so this isn't too complicated/long.  My assumptions are:

Step 1.  Most people who voted in poll 1 against Femshep 5 will vote against her again and since those votes were all for black/red heads i'm going to give all the votes to Black/Red Sheps in poll 2.
Step 2.  That there is a large majority of people who wanted a different hair colour who voted for Femshep 5, so i'm going to split the blonde shep vote by 50% and because dirty blonde shep is close to blonde, i'm going to split them among black/red hair.
Step 3.  Again, because blonde/dirty-blonde are similar both in looks and statistically tied, i'm going to split the blonde vote from poll 1 again and treat it as a blonde split.
Step 4.  I know what the % difference is between black hair and re hair sheps in poll 2.  So after i'm done splitting I will make the black/red hair votes more accurate split by using their totals.

I would show all my work, but it would make this too long (Use notes above for reference).  So here's my result: 

Total Votes:  72849 (Total from poll 1 transfered into poll 2.  All femsheps are from poll 2)

Step 1:
Femshep 1: 20,671.5/28.38% more or less (41.343/2 being split poll 1 non femshep vote)
Femshep 2/3: 31,506/43.25%  (same as poll 1)
Femshep 4:  20,671.5/28.38% more or less (41.343/2 split poll 1 non femshep vote)

Step 2:
Femshep 1: 28548/39.19% more or less (added 1/2 of blonde shep vote /2)
Femshep 2/3: 15753/21.62% more or less (lost 50% of vote before of hair colour choices)
Femshep 4: 28548/39.19% more or less (added 1/2 of blonde shep vote /2)

Step 3:
Femshep 1: 28548/39.19% more or less
Femshep 2:  7876.5/10.81% (vote split, closer to poll 2 real results and even lower turnout for blondes)
FemShep 3:  7876.5/10.81% (vote split, closer to poll 2 real results and even lower turnout for blondes)
Femshep 4: 28548/39.19% more or less

Step 4:
Femshep 1: 22667/31.12%
Femshep 2:  7876/10.81%
FemShep 3:  7877/10.81%
Femshep 4: 34428/47.26%
Total Votes:  72848/100% (lost 1 vote in rounding not bad).

Original Poll 2:

Total Votes:  42,612
Femshep 1: 12,606  - 29.58%  (Black Hair)
Femshep 2:  5,337   - 12.52%  (Blonde)
Femshep 3:  5,482   - 12.86%  (Dirty Blonde/Brunette)
Femshep 4: 19,187  - 45.03%  (Red Hair, Freckles)

Notes:  My poll 78.38% of people voted against Femshep 2/3, official poll 74.62% voted against Femshep 2/3, roughly 4% lower than mine;  My poll Femshep 2/3 are missing about 4% compared to official poll 2

Not bad for a couple assumptions including ones about unfairness from voting split etc.  I can reasonably show that if Bioware had done the same assumptions about the problems there could have been in their poll ( blonde shep having no chance of winning).  They could have made it more fair by at least giving something like 6 options or not having a second poll at all.  My assumptions also show that its possible that the votes for Blonde Shep, but wanted a different hair colour could be a minority of the original Femshep 5 vote.  By splitting the Blonde Shep vote by half for the 50% "different colour" vote, I got under the totals of the real poll by about 4%in the end (2% for femshep 2/3 each roughly) .  Now my vote splitting is very questionable, but I did get very very close to the right vote totals/% with hardly any messing around.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 24 août 2011 - 12:56 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Oh my god. Wow.

[Biotic Sage]

gamer_girl wrote...

Calm pills needed in here lol.

Word.  This thing is still going???

I believe someone put it best when he said, "First world problems."

Perspective.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 24 août 2011 - 01:22 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Oh my god. Wow.

If you're refering to my post than yes its "a lot" much.  Thought it was worth it if it saved this threasd circling through debates every 10 pages on average.

At least hopefully it moves debate forward.  More typing for me, less for everyone else I guess.

[ThePwener]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Long post:

*snip*

[Sashimi_taco]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Oh my god. Wow.

If you're refering to my post than yes its "a lot" much.  Thought it was worth it if it saved this threasd circling through debates every 10 pages on average.

At least hopefully it moves debate forward.  More typing for me, less for everyone else I guess.

Thank you for putting in the extra effort. If you are doing what you love then i guess more power to you. I'm still having a hard time understanding why everyone is mad. 

[gamer_girl]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Oh my god. Wow.

If you're refering to my post than yes its "a lot" much.  Thought it was worth it if it saved this threasd circling through debates every 10 pages on average.

At least hopefully it moves debate forward.  More typing for me, less for everyone else I guess.

Thank you for putting in the extra effort. If you are doing what you love then i guess more power to you. I'm still having a hard time understanding why everyone is mad. 

Agreed.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Pulletlamer wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I don't understand this at all. If someone invested time to buy me a present with money they had to work for and it wasn't my choice then I will certainly not feel deceived. I would be grateful. You can always change it for something else. No harm done.

Unfortunately I don't think many people think like that in today's society. I personally have never rejected a present, but other people think differently and I have seen it a lot.
Whatever, I'm trying to say that people (at least some people) are going to get upset because they thought they voted for something else.

Nah. Don't genereralize that. What you describe is an attitude problem. Deceiving means "to mislead by a false appearance or statement". Nothing in your anology indicated bad intent on purpuse.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 24 août 2011 - 01:42 .

[Arkitekt]

Balek, I'm really impressed by your analysis that sounds very much true. The results are very compelling indeed. What it shows too is that the first poll was also "unfair", since there were 4 black haired sheps against only one blonde shep, which also happened to have the favorite hair style. That unique coupling was what made that choice the steamrolling winner that it was in the first place.

Still, quite a good show there man. Very good indeed.