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[Urzon]

The full force of the Qunari has assembled on Seheron, and it is large enough to conquer most of Thedas. The only thing standing in there way is the Tevinter Imperium and the combined force of the Magisters.

 Set-up: Qunari
1) Their force is large enough to conquer most (if not all) of Thedas. 
2) They have better technology. (Weapons, armor, explosives, etc.)
3) Their mages are stronger than the average circle mage (though weaker than the magisters).
4) Their armies are stronger and more cordinated than the armies of Thedas.

Set-up: Tevinter Imperium
1) Blood magic (and lots of slaves).
2) Summoning of demons and fade spirits.
3) Rituals and forbidden magics that could be used to devestating effect.


If You Side With The Qun
            Pro
1) Being able to destory the Tevinter Imperium (by far the most evil society in Thedas) once and for all.
2) Thedas will be unified, and there will be no more war between countries.
3) There will be no more poor, for everyone under the Qun has a job to do.
4) Everyone has a place in the Qun. Whether it be begger, elf, merchant, mage, warrior, or worker.

           Con
1) After "converting" Tevinter, the Qun will turn south and conquer all those that don't convert to the Qun. Those who resist will either die fighting, or they will be turned into a mindless laborer.
2) Your place in the Qun will be decided for you when you are a child.
3)While you may form bonds with friends, you will never have a wife/husband and never be able to raise your child if you have one.
4) If you cannot follow the Qun, you will be hunted down by the forces of the Arishok and killed.
5) Knowing you have possibly doomed the rest of Thedas to be followers of the Qun.


If You Side With The Tevinter Imperium
                      Pro
1) Free Will!!!
2) The majority of the Qunari army will be destoryed.
3) Thedas will be able to stay as it is.

                    Con
1) The Magister will have to do bad bad bad things to win.
2) The sacificing of hundreds (if not thousands) of slaves to fuel blood magic.
3) Summoning of demons to fight the Qunari. (In the process tearing the Veil apart and possibly unleashing demons on the public.)
4) Elven slaves converting to the Qun, and then you would most likely have to face them in battle as well.
5) War crimes abound, and you would have to support them. There is NO chance of winning otherwise.


So what is boils down to is this...

Would you support the Qunari to bring an utopia to Thedas, at the cost of your free will?  OR  Would you support the Tevinter Imperium to keep said free will, at the cost of allowing evil to prosper?

Please discuss!

[Jessihatt]

Meh.. I hate the Qun.. but I also hate those evil magisters.
I find the Qun unethical in that it strips free will and people blindly follow it and aren't bothered they could have a choice in what they do - exhibit A: Sten.
Plus those who follow the Qun don't fall in love, they have a breeding programme... which weirds me out a bit, like they're cattle.
Then again, blood magic. Bah.. and the poor elves and all those demons that would be unleashed and possibly the abominations to follow.
I don't think the Qun would bring utopia to Thedas.
So I'd support the Tevinter Imperium.

EDIT: also, the circle mages:crying: or mages in general. The Qun would not be very kind to them. Much worse than anywhere else/any other religion in Thedas. Even if they need guidance, they don't need their tongues cut out.

Modifié par CommanderJessica, 17 août 2011 - 08:30 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I'd side with Flemeth.

[LadyJaneGrey]

• Really interesting OP.
• If those really were the only two options, I wouldn't bother playing it.  Life's depressing enough, ya know?

[Urzon]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

• Really interesting OP.
  
• If those really were the only two options, I wouldn't bother playing it.  Life's depressing enough, ya know?

[*]That's is what i was aiming for. I think tough moral choices add a certain depth to a game. Sure, happy ending are all well and good, but i'm with Varric. It's not a good story unless the hero dies.
[*]
[*]That's why i enjoyed Origins so much. It was a game that actually made you think about your actions, and how they might effect the world in the future. Orzammar being by far the hardest for me. Either a nice guy that trying to do the right thing (but will lead to his city's demise), or the prince that isn't above killing his own sibling for power (but will give the dwarves a fighting chance against the darkspawn).
[*]
[*]Plus, what would bioware be down to if they took away the hard choices? How is Hawke going to start his day: pancakes or waffles?
[*]No scratch that! I don't want to give them any ideas .... >.>

[Neminea]

I'm not really sure if it would work since both options seem to be more evil then good, and I think a lot of people would rather play heroes. I know both mages and templars screw things up in DA2 but at least they are both initially good (with good intentions). Both tevinter and qun seem to be keen on ruling over everything and making people do it their way, since if the Qun were defeated then there would be nothing keeping the tevinter magisters from trying to take over the world again.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Qun and their believe system but I think it works best as an adversary/neutral/temporary allies with Bas.

[LadyJaneGrey]

I enjoy the tough choices too and don't really mind that my diplomatic Hawke couldn't find a compromise between the mages and templars.

But if my ONLY two choices are either siding with a system that takes away any individuality by rigidly following - and then killing anyone who rightfully points out they aren't following their own rules (see the noble in final Arishok confrontation)- or siding with a system and culture that keeps others just as imprisoned as the Qun through slavery, ritual sacrifice, and blood-magic mind control....

I'm out. Whichever side won, life for the general populace would be too miserable for me to care any more. Choosing between idealist/pragmatic and different shades of gray (Harrowmant/Bhelen; mages/templars) interests me. Choosing between black and black does not.

[Sepewrath]

I would say the mages and Templar's were a far harder choice than Orzammar, lets not forget, they have a pseudo democracy down there with the Assembly, well at least if Bhelen isn't ruling, he makes himself a dictator. This choice wouldn't be a hard choice either, the biggest con against Tevinter is how they would win; but war is a dirty business, everyone is going to commit atrocities to win.

The Qunari aren't going to be any less merciful during or after the war is over and they will force their way of life on everyone, the logical choice is to fight them. I mean with Tevinter, yeah slaves will be killed, but slaves were always being killed and no one did anything to stop it, why pretend like you care now?

I have to say this series struggles with these moral choices, its mostly just logic. The mage/Templar thing was the only one, where it wasn't just a logical choice.

Modifié par Sepewrath, 17 août 2011 - 10:45 .

[Rifneno]

Tevinter. Nothing is worth giving up free will.

[IanPolaris]

Could we get some sort of giant ritual with all the circles and somehow wall off Tevinter and the Qun from the rest of Thedas and then see what was left afterwards?

Thanks.

-Polaris

[Northern Sun]

Tevinter. While they abhorrently keep a lot of slaves, the Qun essentially enslaves every single person and assimilates them into what would probably be one culture.

[The Baconer]

Tevinter all day err'day. I'd side with them even if it wasn't a 'this or that' scenario.

[Harid]

The Qun. It has the potential, albeit slowly, for change given that it is a philosophy, but the Imperium cannot change without it no longer being the Imperium.

[Xilizhra]

I'd only side with a philosophy that claims to be perfect if it was actually perfect. The Qun isn't, and stifles potential for growth from anything beyond it. Hence, I'd have to side with Tevinter, because ultimately there's more of a hope for something better.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Neither, but if I am forced to choose, Tevinter.

[Foolsfolly]

A play through for both.

Ok, that's cheap. I'd probably side with the Qunari first entirely because I find them more interesting. If the question is about my own personal morals...well it's a choice between two extremes.

[TEWR]

I'd side with the Qunari who went with Sten as he changed the Qunari society.

Seriously, he said in a sad tone (with the facial expressions to match it) that he didn't want to be alive when the Antaam invaded Thedas.

[Ghost1041]

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[TEWR]

There's one fatal flaw in Qunari society: they assume that everyone who is living in their society believes in the Qun entirely. There's no way for them to actually know if Person A is just pretending to believe so he doesn't get killed or actually does believe.

Even Saarebas kept a secret blood magic talisman, so he wasn't a devout follower of the Qun entirely. He was definitely a follower, but not in all aspects.

Oh and....

@Ghost 1041: Now I'm imagining Uncle Sam in Tevinter Mage robes.

[ImoenBaby]

I wouldn't categorize Tevinter under free will. It's a slave society.

[Sepewrath]

Well their referring to the rest of Thedas, not so much Tevinter.

[Agamo45]

I would side with the Qunari and finish what Andraste started by watching Tevinter burn. The Qunari signed a treaty with the other nations of Thedas, it's only Tevinter that they're at war with.

[The Baconer]

Agamo45 wrote...
The Qunari signed a treaty with the other nations of Thedas, it's only Tevinter that they're at war with.

A treaty that has been acknowledged by the Qunari as utterly meaningless? Good thing Tevinter didn't buy that BS. They're probably the only reason the Qunari hordes haven't overrun Thedas today.

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'd side with the Qunari who went with Sten as he changed the Qunari society.

Seriously, he said in a sad tone (with the facial expressions to match it) that he didn't want to be alive when the Antaam invaded Thedas.

Which proves what, aside from the fact the hornheads had no intention of keeping the treaty?

Saying Sten will change the oxmen makes even less sense than the theory going around a little while back that Feynriel will make Tevinter all sweet and cuddly.

ImoenBaby wrote...

I wouldn't categorize Tevinter under free will. It's a slave society.

So was the United States a few hundred years ago.  And most every other nation that currently brags about their awesome freedoms.

[esper]

Qun or Tevinter... well if I have to choose I will go with Tevinter.

Modifié par esper, 18 août 2011 - 06:42 .