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[didymos1120]

strive wrote...

lol. I don't know what is more tiring the sense of entitlement, or the endless cycle of femShep, multiplayer, rpg qualities, marketing, etc threads that come along with it.

The sense of entitlement is a large part of all those things.  Not entirely, as there are some calm, reasoned opinions to be found on either side of those subjects, but I'd say the lion's share boils down to that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 août 2011 - 09:29 .

[Agamo45]

So BW caved to the people who were constantly b*tching and crying over something so insignificant. This should be fun.

Modifié par Agamo45, 17 août 2011 - 09:31 .

[Chrismm]

The first vote was not "discarded" people!. If you all pay attention youll realise that its the same shepard were voting on only this time we are choosing the hair colour. and you CAN vote for the exact same colour that you voted for the first time...there is nothing wrong with this! Its just more choice to players....no need for the complainig at all.

[vincor32]

Shinannigan wrote...

vincor32 wrote...

I would have prefered no vote in the first place. Have bioware decide. If not take the first vote seriously.

Insted of disregarding it.

It's not like people have to take a day off from work in order to vote, nor do they have to inconvenience themselves by walking al lthe way to their local voting office or stand in line. It's facebook. Anyone who voted for blonde Shepard in the first round due to her hair colour can easily vote for either or both of the blonde options again in round two.

There's no problem.

The first round actually wasn't that legit because all of the Sheps had different hair styles, which is a very big factor. I myself, whose canon-Shepard is a redhead, voted for blonde Shepard (and Shep #1) because she had the most badass hairdo, while redhead Shep's hair was way too boring for me to want to see it on official promotion. So I for one appreciate the chance to vote for the hair colour, now that the hairstyle is locked in. In fact, it's exactly what I would have hoped for, and I didn't even complain.

a good compromise leaves everyone upset. hahahaha. whatever. bioware has opened the floodgate of popular opition. they do not close.

[Shinannigan]

Agamo45 wrote...

So BW caved to the people who were constantly b*tching and crying over something so insignificant. This should be fun.

If it were that insignificant, then what's the big deal even if Bioware had caved?

In my eyes this is just good marketing. Bioware had a nicely diverse set up of six different Shepards, by letting the fans decide they absolved themselves of the responsibility to pick a Shepard of a specific ethnic background, thus lifting that particular ethnic background over all other backgrounds.

As for the second round: if, as it appears at the moment, a non-blonde variety of FemShep #5 should win in round 2, it would show that Bioware was listening to a valid fan-concern (valid because it is represented in the voters who changed their vote from blonde to redhead or black-haired and accordingly had only voted for FemShep #5 due to her hairstyle, but not due to her hair-colour). It's great marketing. But still, it's "only" marketing, it's not like they let fan demand dictate story changes, it's just a nice piece of fan-service (and not the negative Miranda's-booty kind of fan-service).

[Sepewrath]

Chrismm wrote...

The first vote was not "discarded" people!. If you all pay attention youll realise that its the same shepard were voting on only this time we are choosing the hair colour. and you CAN vote for the exact same colour that you voted for the first time...there is nothing wrong with this! Its just more choice to players....no need for the complainig at all.

Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde. Hence the blonde has no chance of winning. I didn't even vote for the blonde the first time, but it was a legit vote and she won fair and square. This one isn't legit and I don't like that BW is insulting people's intelligence and trying to pretend that is it. Hell it would still be cowardly, but I would rather they avoid they front and just change her to a redhead. Come out and say "They complained long enough, so they win" Why pretend its anything else.

[vincor32]

Sepewrath wrote...

Chrismm wrote...

The first vote was not "discarded" people!. If you all pay attention youll realise that its the same shepard were voting on only this time we are choosing the hair colour. and you CAN vote for the exact same colour that you voted for the first time...there is nothing wrong with this! Its just more choice to players....no need for the complainig at all.

Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde. Hence the blonde has no chance of winning. I didn't even vote for the blonde the first time, but it was a legit vote and she won fair and square. This one isn't legit and I don't like that BW is insulting people's intelligence and trying to pretend that is it. Hell it would still be cowardly, but I would rather they avoid they front and just change her to a redhead. Come out and say "They complained long enough, so they win" Why pretend its anything else.

exactly

[Biotic Sage]

Sepewrath wrote...

Chrismm wrote...

The first vote was not "discarded" people!. If you all pay attention youll realise that its the same shepard were voting on only this time we are choosing the hair colour. and you CAN vote for the exact same colour that you voted for the first time...there is nothing wrong with this! Its just more choice to players....no need for the complainig at all.

Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde. Hence the blonde has no chance of winning. I didn't even vote for the blonde the first time, but it was a legit vote and she won fair and square. This one isn't legit and I don't like that BW is insulting people's intelligence and trying to pretend that is it. Hell it would still be cowardly, but I would rather they avoid they front and just change her to a redhead. Come out and say "They complained long enough, so they win" Why pretend its anything else.

While I don't really care which one wins, from an objective standpoint the first vote was the one that was "unfair."  Essentially, people had to vote on three separate variables: face model, hair style, and hair color.  This vote is only concerned with one variable: hair color.  Makes sense to me.

[Gill Kaiser]

Sepewrath wrote...
Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde.

Nonsense. There's no conspiracy; everyone's not voting against the blonde, they're voting for the colour they want.

...and just for argument's sake, even if they WERE voting "against" the blonde, not liking blonde is a legitimate viewpoint to have, even if you don't share it. In the end, the majority vote will still designate the majority's preference. All this second vote is doing is distinguishing whether the original winner won due to the hairstyle or the hair colour.

[Myaku1313]

I think they should have stuck to the original. What they are doing now is kinda stupid. The hair color is going to be changed by the players to what they want anyways. And her face or hmmm people may just import their own sheps...Ya know the ones they have been using. >.>

I get you want pretty box art but base Jane was fine. Just like Sheploo was fine. All we are voting on is Box Art.

[Chrismm]

Sepewrath wrote...

Chrismm wrote...

The first vote was not "discarded" people!. If you all pay attention youll realise that its the same shepard were voting on only this time we are choosing the hair colour. and you CAN vote for the exact same colour that you voted for the first time...there is nothing wrong with this! Its just more choice to players....no need for the complainig at all.

Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde. Hence the blonde has no chance of winning. I didn't even vote for the blonde the first time, but it was a legit vote and she won fair and square. This one isn't legit and I don't like that BW is insulting people's intelligence and trying to pretend that is it. Hell it would still be cowardly, but I would rather they avoid they front and just change her to a redhead. Come out and say "They complained long enough, so they win" Why pretend its anything else.

If the people who voted for blonde shep dont stand up and vote for her again then its the reason she will lose. not because the people who hated her dont want her to win, Basically the vote will do what a vote was made to do...pick the most popular choice and as i said before this is just more choice to people...nothing more...nothing less...if you start complaining about more choice then all youll get is none.

[Shinannigan]

vincor32 wrote...

a good compromise leaves everyone upset. hahahaha. whatever. bioware has opened the floodgate of popular opition. they do not close.

Which is why they went from the compromise (voting for different Shepards with different hairstyles and haircolours at the same time) to a more satisfying finer distinction.

And the floodgates will close as soon as Bioware says "and this is the final FemShep YOU chose". There has been whining and complaints before, there will be whining in the future. Nothing has changed due to this second vote. It's still up to Bioware whether they chose to heed a specific complaint or no.

I'm not unappreciative that you have a personal history with tweaked elections and split votes, but this is neither. This is simply a bit of a viral marketing campaign. It's just a game... but "whatever" is a clear enough discourse marker by itself...

[vincor32]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...
Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde.

Nonsense. There's no conspiracy; everyone's not voting against the blonde, they're voting for the colour they want.

...and just for argument's sake, even if they WERE voting "against" the blonde, not liking blonde is a legitimate viewpoint to have, even if you don't share it. In the end, the majority vote will still designate the majority's preference. All this second vote is doing is distinguishing whether the original winner won due to the hairstyle or the hair colour.

It is a SPLIT VOTE for the blonde. that is the point.

[Chrismm]

vincor32 wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...
Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde.

Nonsense. There's no conspiracy; everyone's not voting against the blonde, they're voting for the colour they want.

...and just for argument's sake, even if they WERE voting "against" the blonde, not liking blonde is a legitimate viewpoint to have, even if you don't share it. In the end, the majority vote will still designate the majority's preference. All this second vote is doing is distinguishing whether the original winner won due to the hairstyle or the hair colour.

It is a SPLIT VOTE for the blonde. that is the point.

*sigh* Just because there is two colours of blonde doesnt mean that bioware did it to kill the blondes chances. As ive said the original blonde will either win because she is the best or she wont because a different colour is more popular...in the end the most popular colour will win.

[Sepewrath]

Biotic Sage wrote...
While I don't really care which one wins, from an objective standpoint the first vote was the one that was "unfair."  Essentially, people had to vote on three separate variables: face model, hair style, and hair color.  This vote is only concerned with one variable: hair color.  Makes sense to me.

Nothing makes sense about that, OK so I don't like green eyes with the red hair, but that's unfairly being forced on me, where's my vote? I don't like the size of her lips with red hair and brown eyes, do I get a vote for that? You don't get to choose every tiny detail, it was a package deal, you vote of the package you like best, good with the bad, that's how voting works, that is absolutely fair. Think about it like this, don't you think some of the other options might have gone over better if they had different hair color or eye color options, but they've been disregarded, is that fair? If we're talking "fair' we got to start this whole thing over, I want number 4 with 50 different hair/eye color combinations.

Gill Kaiser wrote...
Nonsense. There's no conspiracy; everyone's not voting against the blonde, they're voting for the colour they want.

...and
just for argument's sake, even if they WERE voting "against" the
blonde, not liking blonde is a legitimate viewpoint to have, even if you
don't share it. In the end, the majority vote will still designate the
majority's preference. All this second vote is doing is distinguishing
whether the original winner won due to the hairstyle or the hair colour.

Complete bull, this is nothing but a vote to get rid of the blonde and I hope it blows up in their face and they get an even worst wave of complaining. The majority vote DID dictate the majorities preference, which then the minority complained about and now that their going to be the majority, they get their way.

[Shinannigan]

Sepewrath wrote...

Chrismm wrote...

The first vote was not "discarded" people!. If you all pay attention youll realise that its the same shepard were voting on only this time we are choosing the hair colour. and you CAN vote for the exact same colour that you voted for the first time...there is nothing wrong with this! Its just more choice to players....no need for the complainig at all.

Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde. Hence the blonde has no chance of winning. I didn't even vote for the blonde the first time, but it was a legit vote and she won fair and square. This one isn't legit and I don't like that BW is insulting people's intelligence and trying to pretend that is it. Hell it would still be cowardly, but I would rather they avoid they front and just change her to a redhead. Come out and say "They complained long enough, so they win" Why pretend its anything else.

Meanwhile, with Earth-logic... Sorry, that was rude, but how is the "victory" of the redhead the logical conclusion of this second round? Why not the black haired Shep? Or light-brown/dirty-blonde Shep? You have some mighty powers of clairvoyance.

Fact is: Round 2 redhead already has almost twice as many votes as Round 1 Shepard ever got. So obviously not only the Round 1 redhead voters want Round 2 redhead to win. This is undeniable, accordingly, not hair-colour is the first deciding factor in these votes, but hairstyle. But once hairstyle is taken care of, hair colour comes in, which is why it's absolutely fair to give people a second round of voting to make this point (a point which, according to the votes, does exist).

And seriously, if the people who voted for blonde Shepard in Round 1 can't be bothered to press the "like" button for their favourite Shepard a second time, then that's not a statement, that's simply laziness. Which is no problem, but neither is it a basis for complaint.

[vincor32]

Shinannigan wrote...

vincor32 wrote...

a good compromise leaves everyone upset. hahahaha. whatever. bioware has opened the floodgate of popular opition. they do not close.

Which is why they went from the compromise (voting for different Shepards with different hairstyles and haircolours at the same time) to a more satisfying finer distinction.

And the floodgates will close as soon as Bioware says "and this is the final FemShep YOU chose". There has been whining and complaints before, there will be whining in the future. Nothing has changed due to this second vote. It's still up to Bioware whether they chose to heed a specific complaint or no.

I'm not unappreciative that you have a personal history with tweaked elections and split votes, but this is neither. This is simply a bit of a viral marketing campaign. It's just a game... but "whatever" is a clear enough discourse marker by itself...

(sigh) I guess I am simply bitter.

[Nozybidaj]

I'm a little tee'd off about this as well. The fact that they were willing to give femShep more attention this time around is the thing that brought me back to anticipating ME3 after the utter disappointment I felt after ME2. I loved the blonde femShep image from the original voting (you know the one that won in a friggin' landside). She's actually my wallpaper at the moment.

If she ends up not being femShep now just because a few insecure people can't accept the fact that she won, well, that'll about kill any anticipation they had built up with the original vote.

[Zarathiel]

vincor32 wrote...

It is the princiapal or disregarding the first LEGITIMATE vote. Due to complainers. It is like SPECiAL INTEREST GROUPS. They skrew the majority to get their way. That is how you end up with rich people paying low tax rates. Off topic, but it is the same idea.

What if this vote is invalid also. What is the official word. Either take what the fans say or decide for yourself as a company. This makes no sense.

Gore didn't lose because of a split vote with Nader. He won the popular vote, but lost the election, because of the inherent flaws of the electoral college system and because a large number of votes in Florida were declared invalid by the Supreme Court.

This is what's called a "run-off" election. A 2nd round of voting after the field has been narrowed. France has them in all of their national elections.

The first vote was not made invalid. It was made clear to Bioware by "the complainers" (aka, vocal Mass Effect fans, aka, the people who this contest was CONCEIVED for) that "Blonde femshep" won because of her hairstyle, not necessarily because of her hair color. Now they're having a 2nd round of voting so that they can have a femshep that is the most appealing to the most number of fans.

Also, you are just mad because your choice probably won't win. And that irritation apparently caused you to make a thread on the BSN COMPLAINING about the vote. So if this new vote were to get invalidated, as you suggest it might, it would be because of people like you.

Hello, Pot. I'm Kettle. You're black.

[PHub88]

Sepewrath wrote...

Chrismm wrote...

The first vote was not "discarded" people!. If you all pay attention youll realise that its the same shepard were voting on only this time we are choosing the hair colour. and you CAN vote for the exact same colour that you voted for the first time...there is nothing wrong with this! Its just more choice to players....no need for the complainig at all.

Of course they did, they made this second vote, solely for the redhead to win. Obviously less people are going to vote the second time around and the people that will surely vote, are the ones voting AGAINST the blonde. Hence the blonde has no chance of winning. I didn't even vote for the blonde the first time, but it was a legit vote and she won fair and square. This one isn't legit and I don't like that BW is insulting people's intelligence and trying to pretend that is it. Hell it would still be cowardly, but I would rather they avoid they front and just change her to a redhead. Come out and say "They complained long enough, so they win" Why pretend its anything else.

To me it just sounds  like your angry because its not your way or the highway. I bet if they asked you personally which you wanted it to be you wouldnt give up the choice to make the decision yourself.

If this is a multiple vote thing then its the people who dont vote for their favorite ones fault, PERIOD. If they dont vote a 2nd time around then it more or less shows they dont care. Besides, why does this even truly matter? Change her damn hair color in the game or something. Mad about trailers and commercials?

[Sepewrath]

Shinannigan wrote...

Meanwhile, with Earth-logic... Sorry, that was rude, but how is the "victory" of the redhead the logical conclusion of this second round? Why not the black haired Shep? Or light-brown/dirty-blonde Shep? You have some mighty powers of clairvoyance.

Well we'll find out soon enough how mighty my clarivoyance is now wont we? You can believe what you want, but the reality is, this vote is pointless, its nothing but a means for BW to appease those who complained the loudest, without showing that they completely caving, because like I said above. Whose to say what is the deciding factor for anyone winning. Because if they were really planning on narrowing it down to individual characteristics, why not announce that in the first round. Maybe more people would have voted for 1 if they figured that they could get a chance to see her with blonde hair or red hair, blue eyes etc. Because they weren't planning on doing that, because this is nothing but cowardly appeasement.

[Gill Kaiser]

vincor32 wrote...
It is a SPLIT VOTE for the blonde. that is the point.

Even if that's true, it only matters if the two blondeish colours together have more votes than the one coming in first. If not, it's irrelevant, and currently it's not looking like it's going to be the case.

[didymos1120]

vincor32 wrote...

(sigh) I guess I am simply bitter.

Well, you did apparently sign up today just to hold forth on this subject in multiple threads....so yeah.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 août 2011 - 10:06 .

[vincor32]

Zarathiel wrote...

vincor32 wrote...

It is the princiapal or disregarding the first LEGITIMATE vote. Due to complainers. It is like SPECiAL INTEREST GROUPS. They skrew the majority to get their way. That is how you end up with rich people paying low tax rates. Off topic, but it is the same idea.

What if this vote is invalid also. What is the official word. Either take what the fans say or decide for yourself as a company. This makes no sense.

Gore didn't lose because of a split vote with Nader. He won the popular vote, but lost the election, because of the inherent flaws of the electoral college system and because a large number of votes in Florida were declared invalid by the Supreme Court.

This is what's called a "run-off" election. A 2nd round of voting after the field has been narrowed. France has them in all of their national elections.

The first vote was not made invalid. It was made clear to Bioware by "the complainers" (aka, vocal Mass Effect fans, aka, the people who this contest was CONCEIVED for) that "Blonde femshep" won because of her hairstyle, not necessarily because of her hair color. Now they're having a 2nd round of voting so that they can have a femshep that is the most appealing to the most number of fans.

Also, you are just mad because your choice probably won't win. And that irritation apparently caused you to make a thread on the BSN COMPLAINING about the vote. So if this new vote were to get invalidated, as you suggest it might, it would be because of people like you.

Hello, Pot. I'm Kettle. You're black.

I did not vote the first time because I think it should be an internal decision at bioware. Having creative direction determined by majority votes is ALWAYS a bad idea. It created a product that appeal to the lowest common denominator of public taste.

[Shinannigan]

Nozybidaj wrote...

If she ends up not being femShep now just because a few insecure people can't accept the fact that she won, well, that'll about kill any anticipation they had built up with the original vote.

That's not why she will or won't end up being the final official Shepard. If she doesn't win, it's because her landslide victory was due to her hairstyle, but not due to her haircolour, for which many people seem to prefer a different colour.
Either her ardent supporters couldn't be bothered to hit "like" again, making them less ardent, or they aren't even supporters, as they are in fact now voting for a different option.

One way to look at it is that it's now a split vote (which is somewhat nonsensical as you can always vote for both blondes at the same time), another way to look at it is that the haircolour which got the most votes last time (whatever the reasons may or may not have been) gets preferential treatment over the other two votable hair-colours, in that there are actually two blonde variants - just like there were 3 caucasian variants in the first round - that didn't mean there was a split vote between those three.